ASOIAF: Test of Faith Mafia (Game Over!)

[hasdgfas]

vote: Empking

after re-reading him, it seems that he's putting trying to sound impressive(read:town) without actually saying anything.

[DrippingGoofball]

VOTE: hascow

[AlmasterGM]

Vote: Magua

Should happened YESTERDAY. MMMMM.

Will also vote SaintKerrigan. But Magua should die first.

[AlmasterGM]

Also, this is now even more true:

And now let's take a look at something interesting.

LynchMePls (2) - Nexus, Locke Lamora
MagnaofIllusion (7) - Setael, DrippingGoofball, LynchMePls, Hinduragi, SpyreX, Kast, Bilbo Baggins
DrippingGoofball (2) - MagnaofIllusion,

Magua

SaintKerrigan (6) - Empking, Lost Butterfly, AlmasterGM, vezokpiraka, Benmage, Maemuki
Lost Butterfly (3) - hasdgfas,

SaintKerrigan

,

Thor665

Check out the people in bold. Notice the correlation - they are all sketchy people, and they are all avoiding the top two wagons. Why is this? I think it's because SaintKerrigan is scum, and MoI is town. Think about it. MoI is also one of those wagons where if you lynch him D1 and then he flips town, there will be a lot of finger pointing the next day about whose fault it was, ESPECIALLY given obvscum SaintKerrigan could have been lynched instead. Convinently, the MoI wagon is at the tipping point right now - one or two more votes and it will have that critical mass that's very hard to spot. That means sketchy people know if they vote MoI now and he flips town, they'll take the heat tomorrow. They don't want that. But they ALSO don't want to vote for their buddy, SaintKerrigan. So they park their votes in these useless places and say irrelevant things to function as destractors.

Thus, I'm maintaining MoI is not the lynch for today. I think this is especially true for meta reasons. MoI is loud and isn't going away, so he can always be dealt with in the night or on future days. SaintKerrigan and Co, however, are the sorts of folk that can easily slink off and hide under a bridge somewhere until the mob has gone by. That can't happen.

tl;dr - Lynch SaintKerrigan today, not MoI.

[ooba]

Vote Count

Magua (2)

- Empking, AlmasterGM

Nexus (1)

- SaintKerrigan

Maemuki (2)

- Magua, Hinduragi

Benmage (2)

- Thor665, vezokpiraka

vezokpiraka (1)

- Benmage

SaintKerrigan (2)

- Lost Butterfly, Locke Lamora

Empking (1)

- hasdgfas

hasdgfas (1)

- DrippingGoofball

Not Voting (6)

- Nexus, LynchMePls, Bilbo Baggins, SpyreX, Maemuki, Setael

With 18 alive, it takes 10 to lynch!

[Magua]

Vote: Magua

Should happened YESTERDAY. MMMMM.

Will also vote SaintKerrigan. But Magua should die first.

*snores*

Let the dance begin.

So SaintKerrigan is scum. But I'm *more* scum?

Am I scum with SaintKerrigan? Or are we different scum?

[AlmasterGM]

Why are you so obsessed with the whole "who is scum with who" thing. I've never seen someone so obsessed with interactions before. Who cares. There are scum and cult in this game. It's D2. We lynch scummy people. Town wins. The end.

[SaintKerrigan]

Unvote: Nexus.
Vote: hascow

#500 was terribad.

[SaintKerrigan]

Also, this is still a pile bullpucky:

FTFY

[Magua]

Why are you so obsessed with the whole "who is scum with who" thing. I've never seen someone so obsessed with interactions before. Who cares. There are scum and cult in this game. It's D2. We lynch scummy people. Town wins. The end.

I find that getting insight into other people's viewpoints is useful for determining if they're town.

In this particular case, because I'm curious why you say "SK is scum. Vote: Magua."

[AlmasterGM]

Because back when I posted that SK was the counterwagon. Which is why it says SK. But now that it's a fresh day and I can have my pick, it's you.

[AlmasterGM]

Unvote: Nexus.
Vote: hascow

#500 was terribad.

3/10. Sheeping DGB was so D1.

[Magua]

Because back when I posted that SK was the counterwagon. Which is why it says SK. But now that it's a fresh day and I can have my pick, it's you.

So your post that begins "Also, this is now even more true:" and goes on that SK is scum is less true?

I mean, aside from the part of that post where you say "Thus, I'm maintaining MoI is not the lynch for today." and then you went on to hammer him. That part is obviously far less true.

[AlmasterGM]

OMFG stop picking at stupid technicalities

At the time that post was written, SK > MoI. When MoI is chilling at L-1 and stalling on a claim, then YEAH I hammered MoI. But if I were to go back and do it ALL again, we OBVIOUSLY should have lynched SK. Like I said. It just became a non-option at a certain point.

And as far as the "more true less true" - the ANALYSIS AS A WHOLE is more true. It was predicated on MoI being town, which was an unknown at the time, but now we DO know. So it's more true. It doesn't matter who is microscopically more scummy between you and SK - you're both scummy, and you can both die. You're just dying first. Your obsession with this point makes me think you are scum who is just irritated you are being voted for when I feasibly COULD be voting for someone else (e.g., SK).

Also, I read over some of your other games, and I realized I was right in my thinking when I came into this game - in the queue thread, everyone was like, "lol Magua sucks," but I never remembered you sucking. Maybe you were never the best scumhunter ever, but your play was always pretty reasonable. In this game, though, it's just been all 100% WOOSH - minimal scumhunting, saying things that don't make logical sense, and getting all caught up in these technicalities. It's a clear break from how you usually play. It is le scummy.

[Magua]

Also, I read over some of your other games, and I realized I was right in my thinking when I came into this game - in the queue thread, everyone was like, "lol Magua sucks," but I never remembered you sucking. Maybe you were never the best scumhunter ever, but your play was always pretty reasonable. In this game, though, it's just been all 100% WOOSH - minimal scumhunting, saying things that don't make logical sense, and getting all caught up in these technicalities. It's a clear break from how you usually play. It is le scummy.

Alright. Let's try this on for size, shall we?

You start by assuming MoI is town and SK is scum. Fine.
You go on to say then that those who aren't on either wagon are avoiding the top two wagons. The only possible insinuation here is that we're partners with SK; after all, if you assume that SK is mafia or cult, and we are of the opposite group, we'd have no reason to avoid the wagon. But you never come out and say this, nor do you ever expound on it.

Fact of the matter is, I didn't vote MoI because I found the case against him to be garbage, and there were people who were genuinely scummier -- Maemuki and LynchMePls. Magna got lynched, essentially, because he was "raging" and because he "never rages as town." The bullshitness of the case is obvious, now, but as is usual, no one seems to be going on and adjusting their reads in light of this occurring, beyond the up-and-coming-expected argument of "Thor's defending his buddy Magna" becoming "Thor's defending Magna for towncred"

This isn't a goddamn game of darts where you just throw shit against the wall and see what sticks where. I ask you because you were voting SK yesterday, and now you're not, and what changed in the meantime? Was it that you always had a scumread on me but you couldn't push the wagon? Or was it just that SK was more convenient, already having votes on her? Get this through your head:

That question is not a "technicality", and the answer you give is important to me.

I don't care what you think about my playstyle or my meta. I don't care if you think I'm playing poorly or not scumhunting. I don't care (but am amused by the fact) that you don't seem to comprehend the difference between pregame banter and actual ingame play. What I do care about is this: I know what information I'm looking for, and it costs you nothing to answer it. So, for once, just fucking answer the goddamn question when I fucking ask you. You can vote me all you want.

k?

[SpyreX]

Benmage is town AT THIS JUNCTURE trust me on this.

Lynching MoI so early was craptastic. If you were genuinely that ready to lynch MoI at that point of the game, shame on you.

Hahaha

Unvote, Vote: SK

Dont lose sight of the goal AGM. Magua I go back and forth on BUT this, my god.

[Magua]

SpyreX, what do you think of Maemuki?

[SpyreX]

Absolute junk.

However, with a cult about to become active as much as I love dead lurkers I have a hard time swinging it that way.

Which is doubly concerning with the disparity in activity this game.

How can you be not insane when talking to me but go into crazy mode otherwise/

[Magua]

Show me where you think I've gone into crazy mode.

[SpyreX]

Lets try it this way:

On a scale of 1-10, how much do you think AGM is town?

[Magua]

I'd give him a 7.

[Thor665]

Benmage is town AT THIS JUNCTURE trust me on this.

I feel like I'm being assaulted by wet wiffle balls.
I don't have an issue with the SK wagon anymore though, so carry on as you will for the moment.

I reckon if nobody can give me a quick bullet point as to why Magua is obv. cult leader that wagon should die now.
My recollection of the case is "lawl, he's lurker and Magua usually isn't" and that has to be me misrepresenting and diminishing the case, right?

[SpyreX]

Ok, so if you think AGM is a 7 (i.e. more likely than town than not) then why so much slapfighting?

Lets hold hands and move ahead to an awesomer world.

[Magua]

Ok, so if you think AGM is a 7 (i.e. more likely than town than not) then why so much slapfighting?

Lets hold hands and move ahead to an awesomer world.

His refusal to answer questions and his twice ad hominem'ing me make me wary. Particularly the second "you play much better as town" argument from #513, considering that was a major portion of the argument leading up to the MoI lynch (though that part of the argument didn't come from AGM).

[Hinduragi]

Yo Spyrex, you don't think a cult leader would be more likely to lurk? I'm thinking survivalist tactics and that brings me to lurking, avoiding bandwagons, and generally keeping as many options open as possible. Maemuki decided to take all 3 options. Lay down CR Hunting 101 for me if I'm wrong here.