Colour Concentration Mafia (Mini 1174) - Over

[Jedo the Jedi]

This is unfortunate.

Criticize my choice all you want, but it doesn't seem like HotDogs was really pushing either of those lynches. He just pops his vote on there, maybe with a comment or two. It's not overly town looking to me, even though they both flipped scum.

My choices are really HotDogs, hiplop (his play looks very similar to HotDogs), and Rhinocke. I think Coug is best left to tomorrow. Everybody else looks at null/leaning town. I'm not the best scumhunter in the world, but those are the reads I see.

[Meransiel]

Mafia 101: Bussing scumpartners is done for towncred.
Mafia 101: Popping votes around does not give towncred.

Point taken, I hope?

[Meransiel]

@Leis, good lynches, IMO, are SC (my only real scum read atm, also informative) and after a reread, hiplop (his attacks against hiphop were weak, but hiphop didn't call him out on it a lot, consistent to a bus+defend play).

[xvart]

I would like everyone to take a look at StrangerCoug a little closer and compare the behavior to yesterday's flipped scum, hiphop. Yesterday, hiphop showed the following two (predominate) behaviors that lead to his lynch:

1. Softly defended or danced around the previous scum wagon (Voided), then jumped on the wagon;
   
2. Vote jumping around when he started getting votes.

Now compare that to StrangerCoug who:

1. Softly defended or danced around hiphop early D2 and then joined the wagon;
   
2. Vote jumping here to here to here to here.

I want to draw particular attention to the following two posts:

Lieskyrie and hiphop come off to me as on opposing alignments. While I don't like Leiskyrie's handling of hiphop's inquiry as to why she voted Voidedmafia, hiphop himself is suspicious for moving from Leis to VM so easily. His case on him is... what again? Flailing?

I seriously suspect given the speed of the wagon that VoidedMafia was bussed. Not too many people were given the opportunity to post a lot yesterday, so I'm not concerned about the number of posts by anybody yet. Leiskyrie and hiphop still stand out, but on reread Leiskyrie doesn't look

THAT

incriminating and hiphop has generally been helpful overall.

I think this is a very interesting post considering SC said Lieskyrie and hiphop were of opposing alignments but later essentially says neither of them stand out as scummy. This looks like a dichotomous setup while not pushing for either as scum. If Lieskyrie ever flipped town then he has his "bus" on hiphop recorded to go back on if the votes started swinging that way.

In the case of StrangerCoug and his vote hopping (none of which I'm very convinced by the provided justifications) I'm thinking that since the scum team has been dismantled he is having trouble actually scumhunting since he wouldn't want to bus his last partner (if there is another scum) and he doesn't want to push too hard and get a town lynch which would attract attention to him.

[StrangerCoug]

This is a very quick post. I'm relegated to MouseKeys at the moment as my sister's mouse has stopped working and using it heavily is a pain in the neck.

hiphop and Leiskyrie have already been explained. As for the vote hopping, I concede overreacting to Meransiel but would like you to explain how my other three vote reasons are faulty.

[Rhinocke]

Jedo: let me ask you this. Why do you think we have no leads and are advocating a lurker lynch? We're two scum down. There are lots of leads to look into.

Meransiel: yes.

[Glass]

Shameless prod-dodge.

[HotDogs]

Criticize my choice all you want, but it doesn't seem like HotDogs was really pushing either of those lynches. He just pops his vote on there, maybe with a comment or two. It's not overly town looking to me, even though they both flipped scum.

I'm the member of this hydra that made the first 2 posts in the game. I was unable to come online for a while and talk to my partner. I can say that we were looking at Voided D1. The second lynch - I was absent so I won't speak for that. As for why my partner may have been non-pushy: I signed us up for this game so he likely didn't want to deal with tackling this all on his own without having input from me as well.

Was gonna talk to my other head but he hasn't returned my calls so I'll go with this for now.

Wuzzuuuuupp?????

Based on that very list you provided Jedo, I can see you being mafia. Voided was pushed until his true colors (err, colornessless) showed. The second guy who I keep forgetting the name of was likely bussed because you (assuming you're mafia as well) couldn't let history show that you never voted the flipped scum.

I really don't understand all the stuff going on with hiphop. I've read the ISO, I've read it in context, and it doesn't stand out to me. Then again, I didn't see anything suspicious about Voided and the town was on the money with that one. Apparently, I'm not very good at seeing the micro-slips which are indicative of scumminess.

I'm down with scrutinizing the lurkers and those who just plopped their votes on hiphop with no explanation.

As activity boomed this day (May 30th), you begin to show signs that you may attach on to the wagon. Now mind you, hiphop was at L-2 at this time.

VOTE: Hiphop

I'm tired of waiting.

Rather than attack us as you said you would for people voting with no explanation, your next post is:

vote hiphop L-1

You chose to join the cool kids instead of scrutinize. Assuming you're scum, I can see you making these exact moves in order not to come across as defending hiphop since he was going down regardless. You didn't want to ruffle our feathers and completely forgot your own idea to question people who more or less were bandwagoning.

I like our vote.

[HotDogs]

For reference, this is the list I'm talking about:

Leis voted Voided, but not hiphop. (Potential bus of one scum, but don't want to dwindle numbers too much by bussing the other.)
hiplop, Rhinocke, Jedo do not vote Voided, but vote hiphop. (The reverse of the above.)
xvart, SC, Hotdogs, Glass vote both. (Potential bussing of both scum buddies.)
Meransiel votes for neither. (And not much more, for that matter.)

[Meransiel]

I like the way HD reasons with his (other) head. I must say I have a hard time with it though. So basically you're regarding him as scummy per way of him dropping a scrutinizing perspective in favor of going with the majority? Sorry, but townies CAN compromise/be lazy.

But the post you pointed out in #385 is very telling. And NOT of scum. Basically a "point fingers in all directions" due to pretty believable uncertainty.

You honestly think he's a good lynch for today?

[Meransiel]

EBWOP: #383

[StrangerCoug]

HotDogs, where the hell is my explanation for the Day 1 hammer?

[Glass]

Did you not read him say that it was an accident on day 1? And why is it scummy SC?

[StrangerCoug]

Some attention-paying would have been nice. Why did it not occur to him to check the count? I don't care who it's on; sloppy hammering is a sign of inattentiveness and inattentiveness is a scum tell in my book.

[Leiskyrie]

Some attention-paying would have been nice. Why did it not occur to him to check the count? I don't care who it's on; sloppy hammering is a sign of inattentiveness and inattentiveness is a scum tell in my book.

I tend to believe otherwise...?

Spotty internet at the moment, can't go very much in depth. I am still happy with an SC lynch right now.
Glad to see HD posting too.

[Meransiel]

Some attention-paying would have been nice. Why did it not occur to him to check the count? I don't care who it's on; sloppy hammering is a sign of inattentiveness and inattentiveness is a scum tell in my book.

No...

[Glass]

@SC
...>_<

I guess we know that hotdog thinks with this other head.

[StrangerCoug]

I stand by my word and refuse to switch my game to softball.

[Meransiel]

I hate softball.

Vote: SC

pam pam

[StrangerCoug]

I hate softball.

Good. Now explain why HotDogs should be afforded leniency. And don't say "because VoidedMafia flipped scum."

[Glass]

This is a textbook example of grasping at straws.

[Meransiel]

Actually, SC, I explained why. Mafia 101, remember? And stressing his carelesness, you're proving my point.

Anyway, to reiterate: scum bus partners that are getting killed for towncred. They make their bus votes consistent to keep the towncred. No content=antitown, not scummy.

HD is not scum because scum would never emulate town like that.

[Meransiel]

Clarification: If scum, HD would have nothing to gain from putting votes on his teammates, considering the way he did it. Ergo, he found gain in the deaths themselves. 'ere ye go, town.

[StrangerCoug]

OK, this is going nowhere. I still think HotDogs needs to die.

[hiplop]

I have a feeling SC is town, still :\