DEFCON Mafia 3.0 - Over, American Victory!

[AurorusVox]

Toog: I resent the implication that I'm a pansy European.

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To all those declaring AirBase as a #1 target:
SDC is probTown. In DEFCON 2.0 Fate wanted AirBase as his highest priority, and didn't gogo gambitzz for it. He just stayed quiet and plotted for it in the QT. Hence, reading him as town here, hence let him have AirBase.

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RC: I kept pushing Hez because he was being inconsistent in what he was saying and acting all scummy.

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SP's posting...not what I'm used to. Not sure what to make of it as he didn't really do much until votes became active in either of the last two DEFCON games, where he was 1x Scum and 1x Town. >_>

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Oh. Something to watch out for. Don't go declaring who you're going to nuke etc until you do it all bold and official, since doing so effectively narrows the potential PR pool if scum/terrorist go a-huntin N1/N2. It's like claiming vanilla in this game >_>

[HezLucky]

I am not scum.

That is all.

I don't think that really matters at this point anymore though.

[Screaming Death Clan]

Ahh yes. I get to relive a past glory of stomping the red menace into an oblivion of wanton corruption, cheese lines and cheap vodka. Now, its time to hunt down the socialist weenies (and that psycho loner general) that threaten the freedom and the sovereignty that our forefathers fought to obtain.

Call them what you will, funny accent or not, socialist weenies are still no different than communist scum. They believe that disarmament is the way to peace. They believe that appeasing your enemy is the way of live. Dont assume that I have forgotten about the lessons learned from cowards such as Neville Chamberlain or Henri-Philippe Petain. They prefer to lay down their arms and take the route of the royal assrape from their enemies.

You have my warning now Socialist Weenie Scum. You will not obtain appeasement from me. You will not receive my arms from me. You want my nuke, you come and take it. Do remember though, I deliver my nukes pointy end first. It shall be an explosive glory that will leave your lands sparkling in a glow that will serve as a reminder that Freedom Loving Americans are nothing to be trifled with. Im reading your words now, and I will find you. I will hunt you down like the ywllow bellied dogs that you are. Your death is eminent, and it shall come by my hand. My glory shall not be denied!

sigh
someone's gonna have to nuke you

Thank you. You'll be my number 1 townie for this.

PLEASE explain to me how ooba going against A GAMEBREAKING STRATEGY THAT HELPS TOWN WIN makes him YOUR NUMBER ONE FUCKIN TOWNIE

In no particular order:
Best lynches = dana, Hez, ML
Better lynches = SDC, SJ, Pooky
Good lynches = gorilla, Reg, AV, Toogeloo, Mina, inHim, Magua
Be more readable = Vi, MoI, Kat, IS
Best townies = Gamma, Hindu, Spy, Toast, ooba, SP, LL

oh my
lol RC
i knew you shared initials with ReaperCharlie
i wasnt aware your intelligence levels matched too

I am not scum.

That is all.

I don't think that really matters at this point anymore though.

starting to see WHY you left the site

[Internet Stranger]

Ahh yes. I get to relive a past glory of stomping the red menace into an oblivion of wanton corruption, cheese lines and cheap vodka. Now, its time to hunt down the socialist weenies (and that psycho loner general) that threaten the freedom and the sovereignty that our forefathers fought to obtain.

Call them what you will, funny accent or not, socialist weenies are still no different than communist scum. They believe that disarmament is the way to peace. They believe that appeasing your enemy is the way of live. Dont assume that I have forgotten about the lessons learned from cowards such as Neville Chamberlain or Henri-Philippe Petain. They prefer to lay down their arms and take the route of the royal assrape from their enemies.

You have my warning now Socialist Weenie Scum. You will not obtain appeasement from me. You will not receive my arms from me. You want my nuke, you come and take it. Do remember though, I deliver my nukes pointy end first. It shall be an explosive glory that will leave your lands sparkling in a glow that will serve as a reminder that Freedom Loving Americans are nothing to be trifled with. Im reading your words now, and I will find you. I will hunt you down like the ywllow bellied dogs that you are. Your death is eminent, and it shall come by my hand. My glory shall not be denied!

sigh
someone's gonna have to nuke you

Is that going to be you, Hero?

A man shows some patriotic pride in his country and it threatens you? What are you afraid of, SDC? Are you afraid that I will uncover you as one of those EuroWeenie bastards that wants to take away from me my nuke, my freedom and my life itself? Just because as an European you would choose to give up your individual identity for the Socialist Horde doesnt mean that you get to implant such nonsense upon us strong Americans that understand how to truly live life and how to truly be free.

I will have nukes pointed your way, SDC. I will be watching you.

IGMEOY: SDC

[ooba]

[inHimshallibe]

Internet Stranger

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Zhero.

Thanks!

:rubshandstogether:

[Vi]

danakillsu 410:

I can't be 100% sure already of what hez's alignment is, but I'm sure that with that playstyle, hez is not going to be catching scum during the day, but rather throwing everyone else off. I'm not even saying I'm going to lynch hez right away, although I might. I'm just saying that hez is not getting to any lylo, 3-way or otherwise, and I wouldn't mind being involved in that.

You made no definite statements about HezLucky's alignment. All you said was that you were interested in policy killing him.

This is basic reading comprehension here.

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Mina, what is 421 supposed to be?

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*RedCoyote on ending Total War discussion - It's really not. The interesting part of the game is right here.
*Everything public on Day 3 - I said "everything worth revealing".
*Hinduragi -

I was going to post 3 hours ago but MS died on me before I could. Anyways, I just saved the post I had typed up.

If you are being targeted with a nuclear missile, you may post I do not wish to die a painful radioactive death in the thread.

Was this in Defcon 2? If so, did anyone use it? It seems like the wimp's way out.

Someone fill me in on what the scum draft lists looked like in Defcon 2. Some of the lower half of the ability list were added on since Defcon 1 so I don't know how they affect what scum wanted. Also, good idea to try to steal abilities from them? Y/N?

Total War is tempting if I go Silo but I don't think I'm rolling that way so no to Total War.

Weak question, sinister question (repeated until #3), dissatisfying conclusion long after the Total War decision was made.

You guys can keep up your shenanigans about what to keep out of scum hands. I've already figured out what I want so I'm just waiting on Defcon 4. I know this has been stated but, to put it clearly, you have an option as Submarine to nuke publically or privately from what I understand.

I want to propose an idea. Say you go for Fail Safe because it's a fun role and everyone wants a fun role. Should you claim it as soon as Defcon 1 lands down?

First paragraph reads from scum. The commentary on Fail Safe is sketchy in itself, never mind that it was founded on ill premises; it and the Counterintelligence commentary in #5 and #6 suggests that Hinduragi was trying for both of them. It looks like he's trying to find what he can pick safely.

*Magua's

Native American slave

lynch trading - I'm fairly sure I mentioned it before. It looks horrible but I don't think it's enough to count out what he had done up to that point.
*ToastyToast - Why is it that I can only see you saying bad things in your wall to ToastyToast but you have him down as one of your solid Town reads?

Another xRx post, more dead-end taunting and self-aggrandizing, etc.

[RedCoyote]

To all those declaring AirBase as a #1 target:
SDC is probTown. In DEFCON 2.0 Fate wanted AirBase as his highest priority, and didn't gogo gambitzz for it. He just stayed quiet and plotted for it in the QT. Hence, reading him as town here, hence let him have AirBase.

Even if we both agreed he was a strong townread (which I absolutely, 100%, do not agree with, but let's just assume this), even then I would resist giving him a free choice at powers.

First off, just because Fate did something in Defcon 2.0 has no bearing on what he will or won't do this game. Second off, he could be scum. Sure, the scum wouldn't necessarily benefit from this power as much as town would, but there is still a third party here. Third, the scum should in no way be given a roadmap as to who is getting what power. The sole exception being Fail Safe, in which case Magua laid out a fairly strong case for it being unfavorable when compared with an active nuclear silo.

It's a bad move all around, and for you to defend it so hard makes me nervous about your intentions.

RC: I kept pushing Hez because he was being inconsistent in what he was saying and acting all scummy.

I do not believe you didn't realize what was going on with him. I do not believe you to be that obtuse. Granted, I was looking at it after it happened, but the signs were clearly there. I think you were baiting him, and this doesn't convince me otherwise in the slightest.

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PLEASE explain to me how ooba going against A GAMEBREAKING STRATEGY THAT HELPS TOWN WIN makes him YOUR NUMBER ONE FUCKIN TOWNIE

It's not game breaking, I don't think you're town-aligned, and I like most of the things ooba has had to say so far. That about sum it up for you?

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I said "everything worth revealing".

Well, that's still debatable. I know at least in one of the previous games we used the order of player's lists to help us figure out which powers were left and which weren't. I don't see why that wouldn't be true here.

dissatisfying conclusion long after the Total War decision was made.

Definitely weak, but I think you're being too harsh. The question angle I will give you though. Especially the second question. It almost seems like Hindu may have knew the answer when he asked.

First paragraph reads from scum. The commentary on Fail Safe is sketchy in itself, never mind that it was founded on ill premises; it and the Counterintelligence commentary in #5 and #6 suggests that Hinduragi was trying for both of them. It looks like he's trying to find what he can pick safely.

I want to defend him, but this is a fair criticism. Hindu is the one who needs to respond to this anyways.

It looks horrible but I don't think it's enough to count out what he had done up to that point.

Yeah, this is what I'm struggling with. This will probably be my ultimate conclusion, but damnit if I'm not going to be dragged there kicking and screaming.

Why is it that I can only see you saying bad things in your wall to ToastyToast but you have him down as one of your solid Town reads?

Toast is better than the sum of his posts, I think. I don't know. I'd be lying to you if I told you I thought he was scum. I realize sometimes we have to look past that, but I really don't get scum vibes off him. This, plus I really thought that his post 354 was a solid turning point in the direction of his posts. If he makes more posts like that, I think you'll come around.

[Screaming Death Clan]

Vi, it doesn't bother you that RedCoyote is saying ooba will be his #1 town read if he puts air base at #1?

Please explain to me the townie logic behind that.

It's not game breaking, I don't think you're town-aligned, and I like most of the things ooba has had to say so far. That about sum it up for you?

LOL
Fine, you're free to not think we're town-aligned, but you're fuckin' crazy for that
TOWN GAMBIT IS TOWN

[RedCoyote]

Where did ooba say he was putting Airbase at #1? That's not the post I read.

[ooba]

Where did ooba say he was putting Airbase at #1? That's not the post I read.

@SDC: AirBase is on my troop deployment list .. Maybe at my #1 spot too ..

Thank you. You'll be my number 1 townie for this.

Stop making me look like I'm scum with you - it's tough winning as terrorist as it is ..

[Screaming Death Clan]

HAHAHAHAHAH
what's the matter RC?
those arbitrary town reads you throwin' out already starting to confuse you?

yeah you can eat a nuke pretty quickly imo

[RedCoyote]

@SDC: AirBase is on my troop deployment list ..

Maybe

at my #1 spot too ..

It's on my list too. It may be at my #1 spot.

[RedCoyote]

Since you both, even the post's author (!), are deliberately being thick-headed, I took ooba's "maybe" to mean without certitude or absolution. Obviously if ooba didn't mean that, then my calling him townie for that post is wholly retracted. Anyone who gives the scum a road map to how players are choosing their Troop orders is scummy.

[Screaming Death Clan]

This is fucking bull shit.

All it takes is ONE TOWNIE to go "HERP DERP I REFUSE YOUR PLANZ" and then all the SCUM have townies to BLEND IN with and have EXCUSES for why they put it at #1 (oh durr everyone was doin it...)

IF YOU HAVEA AMERICAN FUCKING PM

YOU DO NOT PUT AIRBASE AT #1

IS THAT CLEAR?

NONE OF THIS CHEEKY BULLSHIT.

IF YOU ARE DECLARING YOU MIGHT HAVE IT AT #1 HURRR THEN YOU ARE FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES CLAIMING A SCUMREAD ON OUR SLOT AND YOU WILL BE DEALT WITH ACCORDINGLY.

BECAUSE TO NOT GIVE IT TO US IS TO SAY WE ARE NOT TOWN WORTHY OF KEEPING ALIVE.

NOW

ONCE MROE TIME

WHOS GONNA BE A CHEEKY FUCKING SCUMBAG AND WHOS GONNA BE TOWN AND BULL THEIR HEAD OUT OF THEIR ASS?

THE SANDS LINE HAS BEEN DRAWN

[AurorusVox]

It's a bad move all around, and for you to defend it so hard makes me nervous about your intentions.

Not really defending it hard, just explaining my thought process as someone who has seen how Fate tried to get it as scum before.

RC: I kept pushing Hez because he was being inconsistent in what he was saying and acting all scummy.

I do not believe you didn't realize what was going on with him. I do not believe you to be that obtuse. Granted, I was looking at it after it happened, but the signs were clearly there. I think you were baiting him, and this doesn't convince me otherwise in the slightest.

Well if you want to call showing him how he's wrong through an example baiting then go ahead.

He said something scummy. I called it scummy.
He turned his "vengeance" on me despite saying it only counted for those trying to PL him.
Which was even scummier. I told him this. He said I would be the "first"
I was like, huh? Not a PL'er?

i.e. you're an inconsistent lying scumbag who's trying to scare people away from voting for you...which is what I'd already said in the first place.

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Ooba shows RC to be lying + RC "wants" to defend Hindu but consciously leaves it to him. Not liking this.

PEDIT:
RC denies the lie? Don't think so pal. If you meant what you now say you mean, you would have said "You'

re

" not "You'

ll

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You'll = you will = future = "If you put it at #1"

[Magua]

Fate raging is making me laugh.

I'm going to revise my list and put Airbase at #1 now.

RC = town, AV = scum

[RedCoyote]

Oh, it's crystal clear.

You're not town worthy of keeping alive. I'm the only player worthy of keeping alive, because I'm the only one I know who has an American role PM.

I have Airbase on my list, and I'm neither changing that nor telling you what spot I put it at.

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Ooba shows RC to be lying

Uh, no. He says he might put it at #1, and that willingness to stand up to SDC is what garnered him townpoints. If he said he was definitely putting it at #1, that would be a different story entirely.

[AurorusVox]

So. Is the "You'll" typo for "You're"?

[RedCoyote]

Oh, no, I mean he'll be on the townie side of my list when I draw it up (at the end of that long post).

[ooba]

Hmm. I took RC's post to mean "That's not something I read" and thought it was scummy when he clearly had quoted it before. Since he meant "That's not what he said exactly", it's not as bad as I thought.

[Screaming Death Clan]

Magua's getting my vote again D1.

He wants that 1v1? Fine.

He's either TROLLING, not playing to his WINCON, or SCUM.

So he can die D1, deal.

RC having an unsupported scumread of me (well supported by way of cheeky, "he COULD be scum" comments) is on record.

Ooba needs to re-affirmd his bullshit stance.

[Magua]

Magua's getting my vote again D1.

He wants that 1v1? Fine.

He's either TROLLING, not playing to his WINCON, or SCUM.

So he can die D1, deal.

Magua (American, Airbase) - Lynched Day 1.

[Screaming Death Clan]

All right I'll take that to be an agreement for self-voting.

Plus you forget I have Fate on my side

I'll still get my role, and you'll still get lynched

Magua (European Troll, Nuke Silo) - Kicked out of MoHo Day 1.

[Magua]

Trolls are self aligned.