Succession Mafia II: OVER!

[Fritzler]

Why is no one dead yet?

[xvart]

I was actually thinking of investigating that ? on the map. But if you're serious about all of us teamsters meeting at #33 I wouldn't mind that.
@xvart: Assuming you aren't lynched, are you interested?

Maybe, if you think there will be a benefit to it; I don't really see the benefit if we all were to get a neighbor QT since Andy could eventually get recruited and share any confidential information. If there is something else I'm missing let me know.

Why is no one dead yet?

Are you surprised to see that your lead wagon is having a tough time reaching the lynch threshold when most of the people on the wagon are about as active as you are? :shocked: See you in a couple days for your next one liner.

[DrippingGoofball]

Why is no one dead yet?

Some players are trying to convince themselves that Chronopie would make a better recruit than xvart.

[bvoigt]

As for why I prefer xvart: when DGB voted him early in the game, he misrepped her case in ISO #4, saying that it was based on a timestamp when he knew it wasn't.

1

Then, he voted Cobblerfone in ISO #8, and was still suspicious in ISO #21

2

. But Cobbler was nowhere to be found in his list of top 3 suspects. In fact, he wasn't even on xvart's vig list in ISO #29

3

.

1

You are bringing this up again? I clearly explained this when you brought it up 38 pages ago? Even if it wasn't obvious at the time (which it should have been) my follow up explanation is perfectly reasonable: DGB narrowed a pool to people likely to be recruited and selected me

because of a timestamp

. If you didn't buy my explanation or see the fundamental reasoning behind my comment when I responded way back when why did you hold onto until a day before the deadline.

Battousai asked for my reasons for voting you. It's one of my reasons.

2

Taken out of context. I now believe Cobbler is who he claims to be. The progression of his questioning me, withholding his vote, and then when I voted for him it made him believe that our job titles were not the same, thus him being unrecruitable.

3

See above.

Sorry, I don't get what you mean with the second-to-last sentence. Could you clarify? Also, what made you decide I'm scummy? I wasn't on your first vig list, but now I am.

For someone who hasn't said much at all the entire game you sure waited until the last minute to bust out the big accusations.

Are you surprised to see that your lead wagon is having a tough time reaching the lynch threshold when most of the people on the wagon are about as active as you are? :shocked: See you in a couple days for your next one liner.

Actually, I've been doing my best to get Cobbler lynched. That's irrelevant, though. For someone who "will wear this lynch as a badge of honor," you seem pretty concerned about attacking the members of your wagon.

[bvoigt]

Also, if isn't voting either xvart or Chronopie, you need to switch to one of them.

[bvoigt]

*if anyone

[Seraphim]

Unvote
Vote: xvart

[Cobblerfone]

Maybe, if you think there will be a benefit to it; I don't really see the benefit if we all were to get a neighbor QT since Andy could eventually get recruited and share any confidential information. If there is something else I'm missing let me know.

I thought about that and I have an idea of what we could do on N-2 to sort it out if it works the way we think it does. But leaking it in thread would be too much of a risk. If we all meet at one place tonight I could explain it to you guys and if we're told anyone else is there we'll just vote for them tomorrow for trying to be a mafia-rat.

[xvart]

Why is no one dead yet?

Some players are trying to convince themselves that Chronopie would make a better recruit than xvart.

While some of us are trying to figure out who is

actually

a recruit.

Sorry, I don't get what you mean with the second-to-last sentence. Could you clarify?

Yes, my response was a little convoluted. Basically, as has been discussed, Cobbler withholding his vote on me and the manner in which his posts came forward show that he was under the impression that I might have been unrecruitable, too. When I voted him, from his perspective, I didn't think the same of him and his role. So then he voted for me.

Also, what made you decide I'm scummy? I wasn't on your first vig list, but now I am.

When I was responding to your last post and went back through your ISO I realized how you haven't really taken any stands, been very involved, and been very active; so therefore you fell into the category of people playing like a recruit likely is playing.

For someone who "will wear this lynch as a badge of honor," you seem pretty concerned about attacking the members of your wagon.

Yes; if and when I get lynched I will; but that doesn't mean I assume my lynch is a forgone conclusion and therefore have not resigned my fate. Look at my wagon. How would classify your counterparts on my wagon?

Also, if isn't voting either xvart or Chronopie, you need to switch to one of them.

What a helpful post since this has been said ad naseum in the last few pages.

Unvote
Vote: xvart

And my wagon just stronger and stronger by association to the contributions of the people on it. Updated:

xvart - 9 (Yosarian2,

ThAdmiral

,

DrippingGoofball

,

Chronopie

,

Fritzler

,

Nobody Special

,

bvoigt

, Lady Lambdadelta,

Katsuki

,

Seraphim

)

Personally, I would be hesitant to join a wagon where 77% of the wagon included the most engaged portion of the playerlist. It really doesn't say a lot about the collective scumhunting of the group when you have these people as representatives. I was hesitant to include DGB due to overall posting amount, but her

actual

scumhunting and engagement level has been minimal to none. Regardless of the subjectivity of the DBG inclusion, the point still stands.

Andy - let me predict your future: you have a long and frustrating game ahead of you.

[DrippingGoofball]

UNVOTE: xvart

[xvart]

UNVOTE: xvart

I can't wait to hear this explained.

[DrippingGoofball]

You're not cult. I have to find another victim.

[DrippingGoofball]

Curse you, xvart!

[DrippingGoofball]

Because he's my most favoritest scumpal,

VOTE: Yosarian

[Katsuki]

<2days UNTIL LYNCH, LETS GET THIS GOING.

Again, I'm glad to see you finally get a spark and get excited and act like you believe in what you have not been saying all game. But I don't think it is sincere since the timing is immediately after I called you out and right before the deadline when you are safe from being lynched but still in danger of being vigged.

I said that we should lynch a week or so ago to give us more time to debate D2 when we'd have more information, but no one wants to listen to me. Instead, they take your route, and go

"Kat no imput, Kat say nothing all game"

.

Apparently no one bothered to read that there are bankable days in play.

[Katsuki]

EBWOP: Everyone ignored my post calling for a lynch over a week ago.

[bvoigt]

Sorry, I don't get what you mean with the second-to-last sentence. Could you clarify?

Yes, my response was a little convoluted. Basically, as has been discussed, Cobbler withholding his vote on me and the manner in which his posts came forward show that he was under the impression that I might have been unrecruitable, too. When I voted him, from his perspective, I didn't think the same of him and his role. So then he voted for me.

But he voted for you just before ISO #9. You continued to make a case on him in ISO #11, and kept your vote on him for a while after that.

Also, what made you decide I'm scummy? I wasn't on your first vig list, but now I am.

When I was responding to your last post and went back through your ISO I realized how you haven't really taken any stands, been very involved, and been very active; so therefore you fell into the category of people playing like a recruit likely is playing.

I guess that's reasonable.

For someone who "will wear this lynch as a badge of honor," you seem pretty concerned about attacking the members of your wagon.

Yes; if and when I get lynched I will; but that doesn't mean I assume my lynch is a forgone conclusion and therefore have not resigned my fate. Look at my wagon. How would classify your counterparts on my wagon?

The Chronopie wagon contains just as many questionables or lurkers: xvart, Cobblerfone, Seraphim (until he switched), Magister Ludi, and Zdenek. And I have more town reads on your wagon: Yosarian2, ThAdmiral, DrippingGoofball (although she switched now), Nobody Special, and Lady Lambdadelta.

Also, if isn't voting either xvart or Chronopie, you need to switch to one of them.

What a helpful post since this has been said ad naseum in the last few pages.

People aren't getting it; we have at least five useless votes out there.

You're not cult. I have to find another victim.

Can you explain?

[xvart]

But he voted for you just before ISO #9. You continued to make a case on him in ISO #11, and kept your vote on him for a while after that.

Yes, because at the time I didn't make/catch the connection and didn't until it came up in discussion later on.

The Chronopie wagon contains just as many questionables or lurkers: xvart, Cobblerfone, Seraphim (until he switched), Magister Ludi, and Zdenek. And I have more town reads on your wagon: Yosarian2, ThAdmiral, DrippingGoofball (although she switched now), Nobody Special, and Lady Lambdadelta.

What has Nobody Special done to make him town?

If I do get lynched my vig list and reasoning will still be out there and when I flip town our vig's can go back knowing that I proposed what I did from a town perspective and hopefully do the right thing. In addition, hopefully they will think more deeply about the issue and see the other inherent benefits to shooting off my vig list that I haven't explicitly stated.

Mr. Flay - can you answer this question: does overkill get indicated on kill flavor? i.e. "xvart was shot twice during N1"?

[DrippingGoofball]

I said that we should lynch a week or so ago to give us more time to debate D2 when we'd have more information, but no one wants to listen to me. Instead, they take your route, and go

"Kat no imput, Kat say nothing all game"

.

Apparently no one bothered to read that there are bankable days in play.

Not to mention that we're handing ordered lists to recruiters.

[Yosarian2]

This is not helpful, dgb. We really need to lynch scum today.

Anyway, we've got about 24 hours before deadline. If it's the only way to make sure we don't no-lynch, I'll move my vote over to chronopie tomorrow, but I don't like it. I really don't think he's that likely to be scum here.

[Porochaz]

vote DGB

derailing the lead wagon she pushed tirelessly from the start of the game. GO GO SPEEDLYNCH!

[Flameaxe]

I'm not too keen on a Yos lynch at this point. I see the probable recruit side, but not much more than that. I've seen lots of people claim to be putting out damning information against him, but I can't find it within their posts. I'd obviously prefer a cobble lynch over any other, but will settle for Ludi or Chrono over Yos.

Not enjoying the constant babble from Kat regarding being close to deadline. PROTIP TO KAT: IF YOU WANT A LYNCH, PUSH YOUR CASE, NOT THE DEADLINE. Telling me a deadline is a few days away doesn't make me think a yos lynch is a worthwhile one. Convince me it is, it would be a better use of your time. Perhaps no one is listening to you because you have nothing worthwhile to say.

On another, related, note: How moronic is this game coming to if we are using the same logic as the RVS two days before deadline? "I'm guessing XXXXXX would be a good recruit based on nothing in the 50 fucking pages of thread but pure speculation" shouldn't be a serious wagon this late into the day.

Edit: Prozac, I think we can both agree that a speedlynch on DGB wouldn't be reasonable right now.

[DrippingGoofball]

Anyway, we've got about 24 hours before deadline.

I didn't realize that.

[Yosarian2]

DGB:

With 25 voters, it will take 13 to lynch. Nightfall will occur no later than the end of June 14th, server time;

[DrippingGoofball]

vote DGB

derailing the lead wagon she pushed tirelessly from the start of the game. GO GO SPEEDLYNCH!

This vote was interesting, since Porochaz was voting Yosarian before switching to me... to what ends I don't know.

unnofficial votecount

xvart - 9 (Yosarian2, ThAdmiral, Chronopie, Fritzler, bvoigt, Lady Lambdadelta, Kats, Seraphim)
Chronopie - 6 (Andrius, xvart, Cobblerfone, Magister Ludi, Zdenek, ooba)
Yosarian2 - 3 (Herodotus, NS, DGB)
ThAdmiral - 2 (Dry-fit, Tanarin)
Tanarin - 2 (populartajo, springlullaby)
Cobblerfone - 1 (Flameaxe)
Magister Ludi - 1 (Bunnylover)
Flameaxe - 1 Andrius
populartajo - 1 (Battousai)
DGB - 1 Prochaz