DEFCON Mafia 3.0 - Over, American Victory!

[Screaming Death Clan]

Gamma and Spy support it, (gamma supports it by way of not being cheeky about it)


http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 9#p3121939

Gorilla, first LOL to post and not react. WHY ME FRY ME. Instant death for this shit.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 5#p3121965
Regfan, second poster to post and NOT comment on my plan, or make any mention of it. Needs looking int

Ludi #3, no comment. Though he asks AGM to clarify something about terrorist, he makes no stance on my plan. Town for other reasons but needs to confirm he has understood NOARIBASE4U


Swift Justice #4 no comment, Equinox is stil catching up excuse posted.
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 8#p3122108
Then says there are holes, he'd be up for it if they were fixed. No elaboration of said holes or move to fix it.


http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 0#p3122120
ToastyToast #5...
(holy fuck 5 people? You can't all be fucking scum, how hard is it to COMMENT ON SOMETHING THAT IS NICE AND SHINY AND BOLDED?) gives reads and shit elsewhere.


Katsuki supports it.
AV supports it (lolscum)




Hezz AtE's and doesn't post anything of meaningful value, surRPSIESURPRISE #6

Even VI doesn't make mention of it #7 even though he responds to a post of ours so is on record as of reading it.

FIRST rebel:

@SDC: AirBase is on my troop deployment list .. Maybe at my #1 spot too ..

Which opened the floodgates for SCUM to start being cheeky. Stupid fucking Ooba town

Magua agrees

SECOND rebel:http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 1#p3122861
Toog, probably town this game though. LOLOUTOFSITEMETA used to not follow a pro-town plan.


Dana ignores it because Dana's an idiot and will never produce anything of real value #8

Hinduragi ignores it because ???? #9

Pookyis town towntell #10

Sociopath DISSENTER NUMBER 3,
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 7#p3124537
Pretends to have a SCUMREAD on me, which is itself a scumtell because if Socio can't read me then he is lying.
Then he fills his post with some useless self-meta to pad it up some more
Says Air base should be POLICY LYNCHED before MyLo.
Except thats what I FUCKING OFFERED in my original plan, because I KNOW I will play well enough for it to not get there hopefully and there will be an easy sweep if it DOES get that far after I die.

He then minimal posts some faked ass reads, agrees with one of MY reads after calling me scum, and generally does NOT have a consistent town way of thinking that Socio is known to have.

AKA THIRD ONE ON THE DISSENTER WAGON IS SCUM TELL

Mina is busy telling people Faraday shouldn't read her as town yet towntell #11 ignorer

RC:

SDC 97 wrote:
I am not ready and do not confirm.

I need more time to talk with my scumbuddies.

Keep your pants on until tonight


Cute, but, given the player who is saying this, I'd lean scummy on it.

LOL, trying to get me mislynched TWICE? You got your pass once, you're not going to get me again ESPECIALLY since you know my meta is to claim scum ONLY as town. GG RCscum

I'm not going to be guaranteeing that. Deal with it.

DISSENTER #4, like I said, the floodgates were open and scum decided to be fucking cheeky.
Like here

I'm going to revise my list and put Airbase at #1 now.

FFS.

[Screaming Death Clan]

Actually, who all pulled the airbase shenanigans, preferably in order? I have a sense about this.

SDC - "Gimme airbase!"
ooba - "Airbase is on my list"
Sociopath - "I may or may not have Airbase"
Sidetrek for AurorusVox's "Fate wanted Airbase as scum in DEFCON 2, so we should let him have it now" because I can
RedCoyote - "Airbase is on my list"
Magua - "I'm going to put Airbase #1 to piss Fate off"

My list is better, and I'm town so

NYAHNYWAH

[Hinduragi]

Hinduragi ignores it because ???? #9

SDC, OK.

[Screaming Death Clan]

Ok so I missed 5 letters in one of your posts.

Carry on.

[Magua]

My list is better, and I'm town so

NYAHNYWAH

Yes. I didn't include all the people who didn't comment on it.

Toog never says he's going to put Airbase on his list. He says he doesn't like your plan. I actually like his response. Reads town.

Magua, the point was that he didn't want it KNOWN that he wanted Airbase. Also, D2 featured a second scumteam. I can't see why he'd pull this stunt as scum in this game. As SK I can see, but not as Eurotrash.

I think that looking at Fate's old scumgames and expecting that he would play exactly like them as scum this game is not a successful plan.

And, it's not occurred to you that scum might want to publicly say, "I have the Airbase" when they really have some other PR, etc? Really?

Your overall SDC-is-town-because-they-asked-for-Airbase I find incredibly disconcerting.

[Screaming Death Clan]

Magua are we scum?

[MagnaofIllusion]

MoI, I was actually trying to neuter the usefulness of the sub by turning it into a scumclaim. And SDC being unkillable is terrifying regardless of whose side anyone is on >_>

1. Why go to the effort of giving it to scum? That's frankly rather stupid. Town should make sure we have our hands on it and operate as if a Regular Silo. Giving scum (other than the Terrorist who can get it regardless if they want it) even the option of a day or two of Invisible Nukage isn't Pro-Town at all.
2. SDC getting Airbase doesn't mean they are unkillable. It just means they are not Night-killable. Two very different things.

[Magua]

Magua are we scum?

You're not in my top three choices to lynch, but SDC-scum is certainly a possibility I haven't discounted. You play hyper-aggressive regardless of alignment.

[inHimshallibe]

Magua are we scum?

You're not in my top three choices to lynch, but SDC-scum is certainly a possibility I haven't discounted. You play hyper-aggressive regardless of alignment.

This post.

[AurorusVox]

@Magua
We've already established that scum fakeclaiming in this setup is a bad idea. Why would scumSDC fake having Air Base? Whoever had it would just CC them and demand they get lynched or nuked. Even if no one believed them, it would out SDC eventually. I mean, hell, I'll put Airbase at #2 if that's what you're worried about.

@Magna
1. Because then it's caught a certifiable confirmed scum. It sounds counterintuitive, but I think it *could* have worked. I won't be pursuing it now anyway, but I'm just trying to tell you what my thought process was.
2. I know what its for. If they were asking for a power that prevented them getting lynched or nuked, it would be different. Doesn't the fact they're asking for something that defends from NKs make it more likely from town, as it makes no sense for scum to want protection from their own kill? :\

[MagnaofIllusion]

@Magna
2. I know what its for. If they were asking for a power that prevented them getting lynched or nuked, it would be different. Doesn't the fact they're asking for something that defends from NKs make it more likely from town, as it makes no sense for scum to want protection from their own kill? :\

I'm not reading SDC as Town for the 'hey, give us Airbase' claim when we have two independant scum factions (Euro and Terrorist) at play. My read comes from other posts.

Your argument about scum not wanting Airbase isn't well thought out (outside the context of SDC).

Both flavors of scum who had it would be protected from the opposing faction NKs. In fact for a Terrorist it would give them strong license to actively appear Pro-Town in hunting Town Euros via lynching. So writing it off as "Town Tell 101" isn't wise.

[AurorusVox]

Well, I've already said I could see it from SDC-SK. I don't think I'm being clear enough with my terminology. "Town" in the above should probably read as "non-Euro".

I

don't

see it as a likely Euroscum Gambit because they don't really have the same level of fear from an SK kill. If/When the SK is dead, the Air Base becomes a wasted ability for scum.

[MagnaofIllusion]

I

don't

see it as a likely Euroscum Gambit because they don't really have the same level of fear from an SK kill. If/When the SK is dead, the Air Base becomes a wasted ability for scum.

Meh. Possible Euroscum Gambit isn't alignment dependant but Player dependant.

Mina as Euroscum gambitting that way? Not a chance in hell?

Half the playerlist Euroscum gambitting that way? Entirely possible.

That's why I'm looking at other clues re: SDC for alignment rather than Airbase claiming.

[Magua]

When did Magna transform into a readable, concise beast?

[Katsuki]

@RC: What do you not get about my stance on SDC?

Also if you take CI, you're dying. You know that I'm sure.

@MOI: I don't 100% GUARENTEE being able to read Fate AND reck in one. I know I've been wrong about Reck before (lolpsychicmafia).
___________________________________________

Also to all you jokers out there, you guys do realize that SDC, by taking airbase, are already SIGNING A PACT TO DIE before MYLO right? They themselves have offered to die before then. I don't see scum doing this, MEANING THEY ARE TOWN.

Not to mention AIRBASE just allows them to be immune to NKs, not unkillable...
Even if you guys don't think they're town, the fact that they're dying before MYLO to prevent any shenanigans should mean that if you are town, you should have no reason to want to stop them. Aka, those who are going

"wah wah xFATEx is gonna be un-NK-able me dun want them to have airbase cuz they gonna nail our scumteam wah wah"

are probably SCUM.

ALL IN ALL, AIRBASE SHOULD GO TO xFATEx.

[Vi]

Vi, it doesn't bother you that RedCoyote is saying ooba will be his #1 town read if he puts air base at #1?

Please explain to me the townie logic behind that.

What makes you think I care if you get trolled?
And is it just me or did you say "so you can think we're not Town BUT WE'RE TOWN" in the second part of that post?

Magua (European Troll, Nuke Silo) - Kicked out of MoHo Day 1.

Trolls are self aligned.

orly

Also to all you jokers out there, you guys do realize that SDC, by taking airbase, are already SIGNING A PACT TO DIE before MYLO right? They themselves have offered to die before then. I don't see scum doing this, MEANING THEY ARE TOWN.

In a game with multiple daykills, when is MyLo?

[danakillsu]

Magua are we scum?

You're not in my top three choices to lynch, but SDC-scum is certainly a possibility I haven't discounted. You play hyper-aggressive regardless of alignment.

OMG HE DIDN'T MAKE A DEFINITIVE STATEMENT ABOUT ALIGNMENT, HE JUST SAID HE MIGHT BE SCUM LET'S LYNCH HIM DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT IT AND BTW YOU'RE ALL IDIOTS.

If anyone wonders why I tend to not produce on a large scale, you might want to consider the possibility that it's because everyone likes to ignore what I actually say and just call me scummy instead. My conversation with Vi is case in point.

[ToastyToast]

Mkay catch-up post

Have a solid town-read on Hinduragi now. I disagree with Dana-scum, but Hez and IS are definite possibilities

IS is American, he hates euro cowards as much as I do.
All these people talking crap out their ass about scum/town is annoying me.
Scumlists already? Really?Whatever. I'm gonna get myself a nuke and cap some euros

Hmmm. To all who gave me crap about not having solid reads yet….why was this post ignored?

But I have been known on occasion to be a shining beacon of towniness to make the god-fearing scums shit themselves and deal with me.

lolbutnotinthisgame

Socio: "This just in: Toasty is now high ranking scums."
Can you back this up?

Yes I can.

Aaaaand you don’t back it up. Did you change your mind?

IS enters. I find this post funny (in a fishy kind-of-way, too) because 1) He doesn’t condone socialist scum, he condones socialist “weenie” scum. This and the addition of “communist scum” suggest that whilst all communist scum a
re bad, only the weenie socialists are bad.
2)He never calls himself a Freedom Loving American.

In other words, I feel like this post is completely manufactured, complete with a few white lies.

Now for the RedCoyote wall. He’s null for me after this.

This is solid. I agree. At first I thought this was a bad idea, but, after reading this, Magua has convinced me.

You keep changing your mind on the Fail Safe thing, do you suggest going for it or no?

Ya'all need to turn in your roles so I can scumhunt based on something other than set-up plans.

You're scumhunting?

Slowly and quietly. I’m trying not to rush in with my reads like I did in Dynasty Warriors.

Since you're falling right into their trap (PROTIP: There's no way you can talk your way out of this and look good, Toast. You'll only look worse and worse or, by some miracle, stay at the same level of "willing to lynch, even if not the favorite".), you might as well elaborate on why it isn't you haven't been able to get into this game. I see you haven't casted a hypothetical vote. I see you haven't address a number of serious proposals and allegations (Magua's lynch trading, Mina's scumminess, SCD's list, Kat's proposal, etc etc).

There are a few reasons. 1) I feel lost amongst all this speculation, and for the most part find speculation to be completely null. 2) There are a TON of active players in this game, which is good but also gives me this “what else is there to say feeling.” 3)I like the concept of the game (which is why I joined), but have very limited flavor knowledge 4) I just want to get to DEFCON 3

You know what, dana? You still suffer from the same issue I had with you from the very first game I remember playing with you. You're far too self-interested. Anything that's not about you is put on the backburner while you focus solely on what concerns you. That level of self-interest is unfitting of a town player, frankly. This is why I see you as scum. This is why I see you as scum a majority of the times I play against you.

I don’t like this. If you think dana is ALWAYS too self-interested, then self-interested playstyle from dana should be null, not scummy. Comes off as if you are uncommitted to your position on him.

In no particular order:
Best lynches = dana, Hez, ML
Better lynches = SDC, SJ, Pooky
Good lynches = gorilla, Reg, AV, Toogeloo, Mina, inHim, Magua
Be more readable = Vi, MoI, Kat, IS
Best townies = Gamma, Hindu, Spy, Toast, ooba, SP, LL
A couple of very debatable names that I struggled to put in the spots they're at (especially Magua, LL, and Mina), but this is my honest assessment so far. My list is also already in.

Of your reads, who is your strongest scum read and who is your strongest town read?

SDC is probTown. In DEFCON 2.0 Fate wanted AirBase as his highest priority, and didn't gogo gambitzz for it. He just stayed quiet and plotted for it in the QT. Hence, reading him as town here, hence let him have AirBase.

You do understand that its much more pro-town to not “give” a role to anyone? If scum KNOWS SDC has airbase, it will change the game slightly when compared to them not knowing anything at all.

I don't think that really matters at this point anymore though.

self-defeatist attitude is a bad attitude. Especially when there’s like, not even voting yet.

I will have nukes pointed your way, SDC. I will be watching you.

I declare this to be OMGUS

All it takes is ONE TOWNIE to go "HERP DERP I REFUSE YOUR PLANZ" and then all the SCUM have townies to BLEND IN with and have EXCUSES for why they put it at #1 (oh durr everyone was doin it...)

Disagreements are sort of the point of mafia as town…if it makes you feel any better, I think Air base is a lame power. I’d rather have teh nukes.

Hm, idk what to think about the RC-AV banter. Its lacking substance.

I’m disappointed by Magna’s catch-up post. Where’s my obvtown cop buddy from superhero?

We could compare dick sizes but that's a waste of time.

nts nts nts

SpyreX is stil being…random

Just got lost in SDC’s #475. What am I supporting?

Also to all you jokers out there, you guys do realize that SDC, by taking airbase, are already SIGNING A PACT TO DIE before MYLO right? They themselves have offered to die before then. I don't see scum doing this, MEANING THEY ARE TOWN.

I do have a town-read on SDC, but not based on this. Scum would be very attracted to the “nuke-proof” idea. It also all depends on how the game plays out to see if someone who is supposed to die b4 MYLO ACTUALLY dies before MYLO

That was tiring…
So, some concluding statements:
SDC has a lot of angst but is town
MoI is not obvtown and therefore a suspect
IS, Hez, and Socio are all scummy
Im keeping an eye on SpyreX, Swift Justice, and gorilla (who I’ve ignored in above post but find him to be too passive/neutral on everything)
RC’s post is not enough for me to move him into town, primarily because we have yet to see if his play keeps up.

[MagnaofIllusion]

I’m disappointed by Magna’s catch-up post. Where’s my obvtown cop buddy from superhero?

He's doing what you are ... waiting for DEFCON 3 to start.

There's a limit to actual scum / Town reads I can get from Set-up speculation and playstyle clashes.

[inHimshallibe]

How did I miss that post of RC's with the lists and such. Those reads are terrible. I'm a good lynch? ReckFate is a BETTER lynch?

:puke:

Into the Microwave of Bad Reads with LLD.

[SocioPath]

I generally ride the line to make the ignorants think keeping me around is a good idea.

Call me ignorant then.

This an NK claim?

Me + ooba + Toogeloo + SP are part of the cool customers alliance. The rest of you didn't have enough balls to join.

Ew.
That is not a collection of players that I wish to associate myself with.
Blind alliance cause of SCDAIRBASEREACTION?
No thanks.

SP's posting...not what I'm used to. Not sure what to make of it as he didn't really do much until votes became active in either of the last two DEFCON games, where he was 1x Scum and 1x Town. >_>

Yeah, almost as if posting length/frequency/style isn't indicative of my alignment or something.

Sociopath DISSENTER NUMBER 3,
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 7#p3124537
Pretends to have a SCUMREAD on me, which is itself a scumtell because if Socio can't read me then he is lying.
Then he fills his post with some useless self-meta to pad it up some more
Says Air base should be POLICY LYNCHED before MyLo.
Except thats what I FUCKING OFFERED in my original plan, because I KNOW I will play well enough for it to not get there hopefully and there will be an easy sweep if it DOES get that far after I die.

He then minimal posts some faked ass reads, agrees with one of MY reads after calling me scum, and generally does NOT have a consistent town way of thinking that Socio is known to have.

AKA THIRD ONE ON THE DISSENTER WAGON IS SCUM TELL

Really

FATE

SDC, REALLY?
Let us break this one down, because you cannot be this terrible at the game not this terrible at reading ME, considering your experience with ME.

Pretends to have a SCUMREAD on me, which is itself a scumtell because if Socio can't read me then he is lying.

Oh let us look at that link that you gave...oh look...it is where I critisize you because of trying to follow a potential for a person to potentially come up with a game breaking strat.
Yeah, cause we certainly don't know my opinion on binary inputs into games.
You of all people should KNOW that I play this for the psychological aspects of it.
And not the WORK THE SYSTEM things that have no real ability to showcase PEOPLE SKILLS.

He then minimal posts some faked ass reads, agrees with one of MY reads after calling me scum, and generally does NOT have a consistent town way of thinking that Socio is known to have.

Yeah, I certainly haven't been consistent at all...which I always am...especially as town.
I am consistent alright, not in the ways you seem to be thinking and/or claiming though.

Sociopath DISSENTER NUMBER 3

AKA THIRD ONE ON THE DISSENTER WAGON IS SCUM TELL

This has to be a joke.
There is no way you can expect anyone to take this seriously.

[SocioPath]

But I have been known on occasion to be a shining beacon of towniness to make the god-fearing scums shit themselves and deal with me.

lolbutnotinthisgame

I aim to please.

Socio: "This just in: Toasty is now high ranking scums."
Can you back this up?

Yes I can.

Aaaaand you don’t back it up.

Having the ability to do something, and doing something, are two completely different, but related, things.

Did you change your mind?

I'll leave that question to the philosophers.

[Katsuki]

Also to all you jokers out there, you guys do realize that SDC, by taking airbase, are already SIGNING A PACT TO DIE before MYLO right? They themselves have offered to die before then. I don't see scum doing this, MEANING THEY ARE TOWN.

In a game with multiple daykills, when is MyLo?

You're so funny Vi.

Good thing we know how many Euroscum are out there eh?

[Internet Stranger]

In my experience from my battles against communist scum, every jackass that was trying to direct the roles was communist scum. Every person that tried to act beyond reproach was communist scum. Every person making early accusations was communist scum. Its almost as if those weenie Eurotrash scum found the Communist Playbook from the radiated wastelands and are now trying to call it their own.

Fate/SDC, whatever socialist scum fancy Eurotrash pseudoname you want to employ this time, you want to play the White Knight? You want to lead the masses to a Just American Victory? You want us give you the airbase? Let you suck up the protects? Shit, lets prop up SDC as a new Statue of Fucking Liberty while we are at it. Keep up this trolling tirade and all you will be deemed is a boorish Eurotrash scum that must be dealt with. All you will be receiving is a nuke with my name all over it.

Otherwise, all this mass speculation is garbage. Every person that made a list of tells are the most likely to be Eurotrash Scum. Once DEFCON 3 hits, you will be learning a lesson in American Pride and Justice. The Fist of pure American Righteousness will rain down like the Rains of Victory on the day that Patriotic Americans won their Independence from the wrongful socialist European Hegemony. We have done it once, we can do it again.

Im coming for you European Scum during DEFCON 3, count on it.

[Screaming Death Clan]

What makes you think I care if you get trolled?

stop being cheeky you know damn well what we meant

and it's good to know we can just ignore IS's posts the rest of the game since he seems to think mafia is LET'S LARP TIME