New York 131: Tricycle Mafia (Day 5)

[silverbullet999]

I still don't see the case on maxous... then again i've succesfully led one lynch so far on a townie and missed those other two lynches of scum, so I may very well be (and probably am) a raving blind idiot.

-Zeph
can you post a nice detailed case on mazous if you don't mind?

[MrZepher]

Okay, so.

I don't feel the Max wagon

. I DO, however, feel a Mastin wagon is possible. I'd rather lynch Pine, as he's scummier (if that's possible), but I'll go for Mastin. Okay?

I see NS downplaying a building wagon on a scumbuddy and trying to get the wagon rolling on a threat to scum; we already know Mastin is town so the option of going for Mastin doesn't help him out here.
I say lynch Maxous today, and if Pine is town then he should block NS tonight.
Vig kills his biggest scum read that isn't NS.

No night kill = NS is scum.
Tomorrow lynch is made of great justice.

This assuming Maxous IS in fact scum (which I'm pretty confident he is), but we should reach an alternate plan of action in the off chance he isn't.

[Pine]

Interesting...no, I don't know that there's a better place for my vote.

I do notice you trying to head off suspicion of you, and nip a wagon in the bud before it forms, right down to redirecting attention to two more popular cases at the end of the post.

My vote stays where it is. A simple hunch has now turned into a real vote. Mastin was suspicious of you too.

[MrZepher]

As town it is my duty to find scum, and I will do so no matter how much suspicion is cast on me.

I don't deny anybody's suspicion.
I just think it'd do better elsewhere.
If you insist on keeping your vote at least examine other suspects while you do so.

@Silver
I'll get one up in the next hour so long as I don't get caught not doing anything at work.

[MrZepher]

EBWOP:
So it may take longer as I'm opting to do an ISO analysis form of case.
70 posts can take a while so expect something around tomorrow night.

[Pine]

Others? You mean like Maxous, NS, and Toon? All of whom I've pushed on before I ever really paid you much attention?

I'm really, really disliking your attempts to discredit my suspicion of you. They scream "Oh shit! Don't pay attention to me, look over there!"

[MrZepher]

Deleted for duplicate content and stuff. <3

[MrZepher]

AW FUCK. I CLICKED SUMBIT AND NOT SAVE DRAFT. MOD FIX PL0X.

[MrZepher]

Mod: Can you headshot post 1081? It was content that wasn't meant/ready to be posted yet.

[MrZepher]

Oh well. I cut out a lot of time apparently by ignoring things that didn't really stand out.
Feel free to point anything out.
Also, I'm not going to address his interactions with Mastin in detail, merely point them out, and say that I found them scummy. I'll leave that to your own opinions.

Spoiler: ISO based case on Maxous

#0 Aside from the RVS bandwagoning, I find Maxous' vote to have needless reasoning on what I think was RVS still.
#7 Seems odd to me. Seems like more baseless reasoning.
#14

If we have a Vig (or Sk who wishes to be thought of as such) I will give sloppy kisses for a DK kill.

If somebody vigs or mislynches obvtown DK I will not be amused.
The same applies for Pine.

Protecting now confirmed scum is noted.
#15 When your main read is found most likely town, then switch to your second best read. I find it funny how he went after me for doing the same thing. lulzzzzzz
#16 Wait what? You put generous amounts of suspicion on Toon and then when there's no inclination that anybody's going to wagon right off the bat you vote somebody who you haven't put much interest in, and has at this point flipped scum? Interesting.
#18 Instead of pursuing a lynch in the first place you wait until there's a much greater likelihood of getting the lynch to go through. I would say that you weren't confident in your reads enough to pursue your reads, but the fact that you put your vote back on Toon after specifically saying that it's because he's now more likely to be lynched contradicts this idea.
#22 You've already given plenty of your own reasons why you think TF is scum. Why did you feel the need to ask this question?
#23 The funny thing about saying how you thought DK was town all along is that is looks bad when people look ack and notice you never really gave any reason to think DK was town other than saying he was just town. Your ISO #4 didn't even mention DK at all, which I find suspicious in itself
#26

THIS.

I seriously think this alone should be enough to lynch him. It is NEVER pro-town to stop town discussion, especially when we know that we can end the day with claimed scum. That was SO MANY KINDS OF TERRIBAD and I resent you for it. I almost thought about faking a daykill on you yesterday for that.
#40 If it's seemingly overdone then why not vote him? Or is your reluctance to vote for Silver caused by not wanting to stick yourself that close to a hammer?
#48 Already discussed the contradiction in this concerning how he found me a town read until all the sudden I'm the only person he can vote for.
#55-#64 His interactions with Mastin are scummy in themselves. He never adequately defends himself, and reacts poorly to the thin accusation pressed on him.
#69 I would question his reluctance to pursue a TF lynch further, but this post is adequate and I will not. I still find is suspicious.

I wonder if mafia have a Rolecop and got lucky hitting TF early on, but I don't think that'd make any sense.

Others? You mean like Maxous, NS, and Toon? All of whom I've pushed on before I ever really paid you much attention?

I'm really, really disliking your attempts to discredit my suspicion of you. They scream "Oh shit! Don't pay attention to me, look over there!"

I can't discredit what isn't there Pine. You have no basis for a vote on me, so I'm not going to address it like it's a vote.

[Toon Fighter]

what do you guys think of a massclaim now? Who hasn't claimed yet?

[quadz08]

The Votecount Which Third Occurs on Day the Fourth

With 8 players alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

silverbullet999 (0) –
nhammen (0) –
Pine (2) – Toon Fighter, Maxous
MrZepher (1) – Pine
Nobody Special (2) – Uite, silverbullet999
Uite (0) -
Toon Fighter (0) –
Maxous (1) – MrZepher

Not Voting (2) – Nobody Special, Nhammen

Deadline is in (expired on 2011-06-26 02:00:00)

[Maxous]

Yeah..remember Nobody Special is the (likely)cop clear.

I agree with nhammen that is likely mafia would of thought the doc would be on Toon. It's where I would of expected him to be anyway.

Zepher has acted more town in the last 2 pages than in the rest of the game combined. Colour Maxous confused. And I would very strongly advise thinking up of that alternate plan.

Zepher - However, I don't get why you did'nt bring up all those ISO reasons earlier. You have been calling me mafia for a while and even when the wagon on me was being pulled apart you did'nt..you only did when Silver asked. Do you understand why I came down on Mastin like a ton of bricks?

Before I go into something, I want a question answered.

Pine

- why do you think you made a mistake roleblocking Toon Fighter last night?

[Toon Fighter]

Pine

- why do you think you made a mistake roleblocking Toon Fighter last night?

Because he didn't expect to be attacked because of it

[Maxous]

Zepher has acted more town in the last 2 pages than in the rest of the game combined.

Okay, actually this was rude. I apologise.
Point is he is looking more likely town now than previously.

[MrZepher]

No I agree entirely.

I didn't have the case up yesterday because I was trying to avoid the ISO analysis wall.
Today I just said fuck it.

Yeah..remember Nobody Special is the (likely)cop clear.

Could you explain this to me a bit? I think I missed something.

[Pine]

I don't know if it was truly a mistake, Maxous. Toon was one of my top suspects (#3 after you and Mastin), and vig I the safest and most common claim of SKs. I'd rather him flip before LyLo, to prevent a Kingmaker situation, but I won't be blocking him again, he can still be useful to Town.

[MrZepher]

I legitimately think Toon is a town vig, but we'll see if that opinion changes.
Toon won't be lynched today, and I don't think we should press for it.

Right now the top lynch candidates are myself, Maxous, Pine and NS it seems.

Out of these four, mathematically at least one is scum.
Likely I would say Maxous and/or NS.

@ NobodySpecial and Nhammen
What are your reads and why.
Failure to post adequate reasoning with your reads = vote from me
Failure to reply to this in a timely fashion = vote from me

Aggressive Zephyr is aggressive *be aggressive, b-e aggressive*

[Toon Fighter]

Mr Zepher, what do you think of Uite and silverbullet?

[MrZepher]

Uite doesn't seem not town.....
I've had a town read on Silver for awhile, his reactions don't seem like scum reactions to me.

[Maxous]

Gaah,
Earlier in the day Pine said he did'nt beleive Toon's vig claim and he is scum. He then went to 'perhaps it was the wrong choice'. It's not the wrong choice if you beleive he is scum. And you either beleive the claim or not. Or at least show a reason why you changed your mind.(he did'nt)
He votes me saying he is just as certain of me being scum as Toon. So he is 'certain' that Toon is indeed a SK scum and his higher priority is finding the SK but he is voting for who he thinks is mafia.
Silver says his explanation is bad. Pine says it is because he made a simple mistake. But now it is not truly a mistake as he still thinks Toon is a SK.


Confused? Because I am.
He seems to be just answering the questions while not keeping the same thought process. His posts are not consistent with him beleiving Toon to be a SK and wheter or not he made a mistake blocking him.

Oh and no-one seemed to of gotten my hint earlier. Who was the last person Toon voted before he hammered Mastin? Pine.
If Pine is mafia he had every reason to roleblock Toon. (he would'nt of risked Toon shooting him)

[Toon Fighter]

I saw your hint, but I was already voting Pine at the time.

[Maxous]

Well now I just feel silly.

[Toon Fighter]

I will only accept a Pine or a Max lynch today

[Pine]

Max, my confused actions stem from the fact that I had such a solid SK-in-vig-clothing read on Toon at the beginning of the day, and not only does no one believe me, I'm getting a lot of flak for it.

For the record, I still don't trust Toon's claim. There is absolutely nothing to distinguish his actions from that of an SK. The fact that he wasn't killed overnight mean he probably isn't mafia, as the actual SK/vig would have shot him (I just realized this while typing).