Succession Mafia II: OVER!

[ooba]

No - deadline is represented by a countdown tag - meaning it is dynamic ..
i.e Just click refresh and you will see the count on this page going down - we have 14 hours to deadline from the time of this post ..

[ooba]

And the page turned ..

Anyway - Dynamic deadline:

(expired on 2011-06-14 23:59:59)

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[xvart]

I don't get what you are trying to say here...

For the most part, a majority of the people on my wagon are the laziest, most unengaged, and least helpful people in the game. They have done absolutely nothing other than "oooohh... pretty lynch... no reasons needed..." They have given no opinions, no stances, and weighed in on anything substantive. These people are either recruits, wannabe recruits, or anti-town.

@ xvart: why did you wait so long to start defending yourself. You are actually sounding reasonable. But now if I want to unvote (which I do) I only have a couple of viable options to choose from, and they aren't ideal either. I believe others when they say chrono is a bad recruit pick because he is erratic, and I feel that yos is getting wagonned simply because he is known as a good player.

It is hard to defend yourself against "he would make the most ideal recruit".

The main thing that andrius pointed out that resonated with me was how he pointed out chrono was constantly putting himself down to make it seem like he'd be a bad recruitment choice. That's as good a point as any in my eyes.

Hey there. Welcome to the game. I've been saying this all game. ALL game.

[Porochaz]

Regardless, you may be online however others may not be. I probably wont be for instance. Its best to limit options now even if they arent the best for risk of a no lynch later.

[DrippingGoofball]

If someone ends up feysalling today I will be going after them SO hard tomorrow.

Feysal'ing?

I would so miss Yos being in the game though...

[ThAdmiral]

@ xvart: why did you wait so long to start defending yourself. You are actually sounding reasonable. But now if I want to unvote (which I do) I only have a couple of viable options to choose from, and they aren't ideal either. I believe others when they say chrono is a bad recruit pick because he is erratic, and I feel that yos is getting wagonned simply because he is known as a good player.

It is hard to defend yourself against "he would make the most ideal recruit".

I feel you could have tried harder earlier.

The main thing that andrius pointed out that resonated with me was how he pointed out chrono was constantly putting himself down to make it seem like he'd be a bad recruitment choice. That's as good a point as any in my eyes.

Hey there. Welcome to the game. I've been saying this all game. ALL game.

Andrius said it better. (I actually don't really remember you doing this)

Feysal'ing?

= not voting.

I'm trying to get it to catch on y'see...

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Wowzers! That sure is snazzy.

Well I'm off to bed then. See you chaps in the morning.

[inHimshallibe]

I've read some, catching up some more. Will post what I've got after lunch.

[Bunnylover]

Vote: ChronoPie

Not really seeing the xvart recruit and yos seems too obvious of a recruited to even try and WIFOM recruit.

[xvart]

I feel you could have tried harder earlier.

Seriously? There is no defense against "xvart would make an ideal recruit because he has never been lynched D1 and is hard to lynch." What did I do instead of provide a defense for something that can't be defended? I actually built cases on people and advocated for recruit lynches.

Andrius said it better. (I actually don't really remember you doing this)

Let me jog you memory:

This makes me think Chrono was actually recruited.

Why would he demean his overall play twice in 1.5 hours

and go into the WIFOM analysis that would better be served by a recruiter? And, the whole "care to tell us how many you recruited" just seems like a throw away, forced conversation with no obvious point.

VOTE: Chronopie

With that in mind, I encourage everyone to read Chronopie because he looks as close to a recruit as we are going to get at this point in the game:

• Middle of the road player D1 attention wise;
  
• Diminishes his level of play when given a slight amount of attention for being a possible recruit target;
  
  
• Employs WIFOM arguments that would best be used by the mob bosses to muddle the waters; and,
  
• Repeatedly has back chat with the Cult Recruiters and worthless questions that he knows will never get a legitimate answer.

Diminishes his level of play when given a slight amount of attention for being a possible recruit target

What makes you say this?

This post. And this one.

First of all, thank you. I thought there was someone else that identified Chronopie as a good recruit but missed it when rereading.

• Ludi suggested Chrono as a recruit in 83;
  
• ABR suggested Chrono as a recruit in 95;
  
• Chrono is self deprecating in post 97;
  
  
• Chrono is again self deprecating in 116.

Once identified as a decent player and good recruit on N0 he starts saying how he wouldn't be a good recruit.

That is the chronology I'm talking about.

Xvart, I took your use of the word diminishing to mean that you thought he actually started playing worse as a result of it being suggested that he was recruited, as opposed to just being self-deprecating. I think the two things are quite different.

Okay. I should have said

"diminished self perception of his quality of play"

or something like that.

In just a few posts Chrono was identified as possible/pivotal recruit by two players (one being Albert, a recruiter). Not a lot of actual suspicion or solid "let us run with this" and, at the time, no real threat to actually be considered as a recruiter. Based on the actual level of legitimate suspicion Chrono's responses, based on the previous assumptions, seem a little too forced to undermine any chance of him being recruited before it can go anywhere. This undermining of his own play when not necessarily warranted was my first red flag.

I can see why you didn't think I was doing enough since you haven't been paying attention to what I've been saying.

[Flameaxe]

Unvote, Vote: Chrono

. Cobble is still better, but meh.

[Seraphim]

Unvote
Vote: Chrono

[Porochaz]

xvart - 6 (Yosarian2 Chronopie, Fritzler, bvoigt, Lady Lambdadelta, Katsuki)
Chronopie - 7 (xvart, Cobblerfone, ooba, Thad, Bunnylover, Flameaxe, Seraphim)
Yosarian2 - 7 (Herodotus, Nobody Special, DrippingGoofball, Porochaz, Master Ludi, Tajo, Zdenek)

ThAdmiral - 2 (inHimshallibe, Batt)
Tanarin - 1 (springlullaby)
Magister Ludi - 1 (Andrius)
+ Tanarin

Please ammend your votes.

[xvart]

Mr. Flay - can you answer this question: does overkill get indicated on kill flavor? i.e. "xvart was shot twice during N1"?

No.

Flay

- No, as is "no, you won't answer the question; or "no, overkill is not indicated in flavor"?

Unofficial Vote Count of Day One:

xvart - 6 (Yosarian2,

ThAdmiral

, Chronopie, Fritzler, bvoigt, Lady Lambdadelta, Katsuki,

Seraphim

)
Chronopie - 7 (xvart, Cobblerfone,

Magister Ludi

,

Zdenek

, ooba, ThAdmiral, Bunnylover, Flameaxe, Seraphim)
Yosarian2 - 7 (Herodotus, Nobody Special, DrippingGoofball,

Battousai

, Porochaz, Magister Ludi, populartajo, Zdenek)
ThAdmiral - 1 (inHimshallibe,

Tanarin

)
Tanarin - 1 (

populartajo

, springlullaby)
Magister Ludi - 2 (

Bunnylover

, Andrius, Battousai)
Cobblerfone - 0 (

Flameaxe

)

Not Voting: Tanarin,

Bunnylover

[xvart]

lol, didn't see prozac's post.

[Battousai]

Ooba- I am compromising. NS is my top pick for scum. But there's little support there. That's why I'm compromising to Ludi who is a suspect, AND has a chance to be lynched if there is enough support. I would rather there be no lynch than to lynch town. In a cult game, the more townies we kill, the weaker we become (obv). Lynching at random is completely anti-town right now (in context of against no lynching). With cults in the game, we know that any townie that is mislynched, will gain us no information for tomorrow. A lynch today is like trying to win the lottery, in the fact that pay out is huge (removal of a CR), but if we fail we loose that $5 we spent on the ticket, and baby needs a new pair of shoes right now. I'm not willing to vote someone I have a null reading on just because there is a random chance they flip recruit. The cost is pretty steep.

You basically want to lynch a null read just because you want the chance to eliminate a faction. That's wrong. Don't be surprised that I now find you scummy, unless you can give me a case on why you think Chrono is scum (link if you've said already if you want).

I'm not moving my vote unless NS/Ludi/Tajo are on the block or I find someone who is scummy from now till deadline. I don't care what any of you all say. Voting someone who you have a null read on is anti-town as hell right now.

[bvoigt]

UNVOTE: xvart
VOTE: Chronopie

Jesus.

[Katsuki]

Ridiculous this game.

Unvote, Vote: Chrono

V/LA until 22nd, GOOFBASH

[ooba]

You basically want to lynch a null read just because you want the chance to eliminate a faction. That's wrong. Don't be surprised that I now find you scummy, unless you can give me a case on why you think Chrono is scum (link if you've said already if you want).

I dont have a scum read on him - in fact gut tells me he wouldn't have lurked this much as a recruit - But I'd rather take a chance than not lynch .. You can find me scummy for this ..

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm not voting for Chronopie. Sorry. >.<

[DrippingGoofball]

So we're deciding to lynch one of the last players I'd pick as a cult-buddy?

[ooba]

So we're deciding to lynch one of the last players I'd pick as a cult-buddy?

I guess so ..

[Kinetic]

So we're deciding to lynch one of the last players I'd pick as a cult-buddy?

I guess so ..

My work here is complete.

[xvart]

We've gone beyond the "who would recruiters recruit" and are looking at behavior. N0 Recruits want to avoid notice and what did Chronopie do as soon as he started getting a couple votes and attention? He started lurking, which he blatantly admitted. Note that despite what he has been saying in his recent posts this lurking started well before he went V/LA. It is also worth noting that he was far from saying anything of significance before he started talking about how he wouldn't make a good recruit.

[inHimshallibe]

We've gone beyond the "who would recruiters recruit" and are looking at behavior. N0 Recruits want to avoid notice and what did Chronopie do as soon as he started getting a couple votes and attention? He started lurking, which he blatantly admitted. Note that despite what he has been saying in his recent posts this lurking started well before he went V/LA. It is also worth noting that he was far from saying anything of significance before he started talking about how he wouldn't make a good recruit.

I know we're under constraints, so I'm going to roll with this as a good reason to place my vote.

Still working on catching up. D:

vote: Chronopie

[Seraphim]

That's L-3. We have 6 hours.