New York 134: Planet of Hats (Scum Win!)

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Heya, this is a Hydra of monk and tarsonisocelot, not sure how much she is going to be active this week so for the most part it'll likely be me. With intro out of the way I need to now do this: VOTE: 65536 for TO being scummy UNVOTE: VOTE: jily

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Vote: DeityKabuto

because you've never helped the town before. In another game, you don't even realize I self-voted and you keep voting.

You shouldn't mafia. If you're going to keep playing, you should start playing wisely and actually reading and scumhunting.

Ladies and gentlmen its Jily.

A bit overzealous are we jily? And a bit of calling the kettle black methinks. This PL stinks and jily's vote is even worse

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seriously guys, this isn't helping nothing PLs are for chumps, more pressure on jily and swag gogogo. I don't like either of their posts in this game whether it is because they are being VIs or are scum needs more pressure to find out and swag wth are you anyway?

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Fairly sure Jily has more claim to being a newbie than swag. For a start she's probably younger, and for another thing she hasn't claimed off-site experience. The L-7 = pressure thing seems more of a newbtell than a scumtell to me.
Let's be hearing from ye Swag!
VOTE: Swag

Also, I'd rather not have DK around in LYLO.

celibloki seems a little on the scummy side of town, but I want to hear more.
-TO

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I do think that glowball needs to put her vote where her mouth is, but at this stage it looks like nothing anywhere near that plus hasn't even OMGUS'd in response to Tomie, what's the point of this fencesitting!! VOTE: glowball

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I am getting a null-read from bvoigt, I can't tell if he's scumhunting or straight-forward questioning. o.o

yep null reads are rather useful. Can you give us your more useful scum reads?
- monk

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@Reck - I don't see the difference there.
Also, yes, I really did just do that hop...what makes me wonder is why you're yelling at me as opposed to noticing the potential awesomeness that is '6652861982-gawds what a terrible name' if Swag flips scum. Besides, Swag isn't around, we can pressure him up later if we're wrong, and the wagon could be doing more interesting and fruitful things. Now why don't you sheep me, because my derriere is pretty awesome so you might as well be behind it.

Yes I realise we aren't playing to our potential, we're both currently studying for our exams and aren't really even coordinating as a Hydra atm. We'll probably start doing that 23rd or 24th. I find the interactions between you and Reck, to be interesting to say the least, but I still have exams to study for so I'll analyse that later.

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Right, chkballin's second head seems to be contributing quite a lot. I like it. UNVOTE: chkballin
However, any more tomfoolery from glowball and that vote goes right back on.
First, however, PBuG doesn't exactly seem to be doing much other than to ignore ALL the other suspects in favour of DK, which seems outright stupid.
I'll quickly tally up an abbreviated votecount, and move my vote to her if she's not too close to a quickhammer.

I really don't like this post, chk hasn't actually contributed any more than glowball has imo. At this stage though I'd be suspecting bussing rather than buddying from scummies to scummies. I think I'd like to put my vote here.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: JDGA

- monk

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Deity, why did you go "right I'm suspicious of X, Y, Z I think they may be the scum team" and then vote for person Q? Also your latest vote is clearly out of OMGUS territory as is Reck's on you, now stop being silly and explain your vote before last.
-monk

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I'm going to bite my tongue because I just had a post written up that would surely get me modkilled.

You still don't defend yourself. You throw down a OMGUS vote on me. You're saying I'm wanting to lynch you without strong evidence (despite the PLETHORA of reasons I've given, NONE of which you've defended against).

OH AND YOU HAVE ONLY PLAYED IN LITERALLY ONE OR TWO OTHER GAMES WITH ME SO STOP TRYING TO FUCKING META ME LIKE YOU KNOW ME

GET THE FUCK OFF OF THIS SITE YOU STUPID [REDACTED]

GOD DAMMIT I'M GOING TO GET MODKILLED IF I KEEP POSTING HERE

predit AND YET HERE IS 65536 JUST GOING 'OH DEITY STOP BEING SILLY' INSTEAD OF SEEING THE BLATANT SCUMMINESS RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEM

HURRRR FUCKING DURRRRR

I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and I'm only basing this off the past page or two of content, I still have an exam tomorrow and will read through the thread properly after that, I'll get Tarsonis to post up her stuff she may change the vote as she's just read through the thread tonight. Both your and Deity's vote basically to me come out of OMGUS territory.

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Why I think your vote on deity is basically going oh my God you suck is not because he voted for you but because he's not playing good town or good scum and you're voting for him because of that

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VOTE: Parabollocks
Scum because:
Lurky to the point where it barely qualifies as active lurking.
Largest contribution yesterday was a set of reads that consisted primarily of "random town", 'null because they haven't done much that's telling' and 'scum for the same reason others are null'.
I do not recall seeing a single townie thing posted by them in the entire game.

-TO

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Vigslip is 100% true. No way does NS have enough forethought to fake something like that.

I say we lynch from the overlap of Tomie's suspects + Palisade's wagoners, and then Palisade shoots someone else from that list.

If every one of Palisade's wagoners do not unvote in their next post, I will consider that a scum claim.

I believe the vigslip and am willing support this strategy at present. Will have to confer with my other head first though.
And I still want Parabollockscum dead.
-TO

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Upon checking with the other head's reads:
We want KoC and Parabollocks dead the most but JDGA also wants lynching.

Spoiler: KoC ISO by t'other heid:

you were right reading his posts with a dalek voice is much more funny

* ISO:
1. ololol I r random
2. Hi guys I'm towny mctownerson, oh wait I like PL
3. I'm going to stir the pot on DK/Glow
4. blah PL blah
5. Hi DK, blah
6. DK, you're visual lurking, oh wait so am I olol
7. ibid
8. ibid
9. lol I r softy vig
10. more visual lurking
11. DK you're not vig I am
12. vislurk for the next few posts
13. 16) OMGUS on PBuG
14. I'm scumhunting srs, no wait just defending myself, PBuG is an easy lynch because of Swag
* He can just die in fact

Spoiler: Parabollocks ISO also by t'other heid:

Parabollocks - needs a lynch

* ISO:
1. hi guys PL sounds good
2. DK you're a VI
3. vote
4. votey
5. PL pushing
6. ibid
7. Jily you're dumb
8. vote: Jily
9. blagh not going to get a lynch on jily let's go pBuG, oh wait I don't know how close it is to lynch lets throw a towny card out there
10. Jily's newbtells aparently aren't as apparent as swags heave ho
11. I'm going to do a little song and dance about replacing/V/LA
12. ISO read null/town/scum completely random reasoning inconsistent
13. PGO will not be a scumclaim as it would be incredibly difficult to pull off if an investigation had of succeeded

-TO

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I'm not really seeing the case on Para, tbh, just seems like frustrated town to me. @Zeb or Palisade, or anyone else who suspects him for that matter, enlighten me? He's not connected to my other scum reads, and actually has some pretty damn good reads in general aside from falling for jily's obvnewbness.

Define damn good.
-TO

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The more I think about it the more KoC and chkballin seem to fit together as scum.

Could you show me how. The way KoC seems to be playing is as a lone player, he hasn't made any connections either with the town or with my other scum reads. I have him pegged as a serial killer. but he's still lurky lurky mcscummerson, I'd rather have a lynch on someone who I have a Mafia read on.

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1) I agree that he might be serial killer, but I disagree re: rather lynching a mafia read because, y'know, lynching a serial killer means one less night kill... We can't actually be sure there is one at this point, all things considered.

2) KoC has been doing a pretty good job of having no connections from his end, but glowball mentioned a light early suspicion of him among one now-dead town and two obvtowns. Then... dropped it. Entirely. Why would KoC have a good reason to ignore the wagons? Well, if I'm right, his options were try and bus his buddy for no reason or throw a sketchy vote on the then-inevitable town lynch of me. It's not a strong connection, but it's certainly feasible.

also, @KoC, if I'm scum, why would I end up being disappointed?

KoC is teh scumz. gogogo

1) well the vig also said that they'd be killing KoC, which I think is a good option, hold them to it and all that
2) So you're basing a scumtell off of what we know as the slightly more newb side of a hydra? Right...
Oh wait is it this post?

Since I keep seeing people online, who can't take the time to answer questions- I will ask them by name...

xReckonerx, Tomie Uzumaki, Parabollocks, Thor, Swag136, Knight of Cydonia

How many games have you actually played with DK, what EXACTLY did he do to upset you?

If I don't get some answers soon I am going to assume this is an unjustified policy lynch and have some serious issues with those who are so passionate about this. Policy lynches are dangerous as is- so if we are willing to get rid of someone regardless of alliance there needs to be good reason because if he's town we are attacking our own numbers.

In which case I don't think you read it correctly.

also, @KoC, if I'm scum, why would I end up being disappointed?

KoC is teh scumz. gogogo

Because you're going to be in a whole pile of shit when people realise you pushed a lynch on an innocent player because I softclaimed to draw scum's attention and pushed a policy lynch on DK. Wow, those are BRILLIANT reasons for a lynch. ¬_¬

65536 - I'd love to know how you got:

11. DK you're not vig I am

from

Stop softclaiming vig, DK.

I really would, because telling someone to stop softclaiming and spill when they're being scummy as all hell is such bad play. In fact, it's such bad play that Reck ALSO told DK to just outright claim vig if he was one.
I'm also loving how presenting a case against one of the scummiest players from D1 is represented as OMGUS. Tip, kids: when you present a case against someone voting you, it's not OMGUS. OMGUS = voting purely for the fact they're voting you.

that was my impression of that post, it is pretty dearth of content, in fact the only time you see fit to post content is when you come under the firing line.

Oh, and while we're here:

14. I'm scumhunting srs, no wait just defending myself, PBuG is an easy lynch because of Swag

vs. actual post 14:

What's your reason to voting [KoC]?

Beard - what of it?

Ahahahahah good one. Answer the frakking question.

Shit, you're right, that post was totally about PBu-OH WAIT A MINUTE NO IT WASN'T.

This is the actual post I was referring to kthxbai: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p3170269

Town, I invite you, as rare as this has been this game, to use your fucking brains for a second. As soon as this day began, Palisade and then later PBuG instantly tied sancho, myself and Parabollocks to Tomie and started pushing my lynch. That doesn't seem a little convenient to you?
Also, Palisade claims both heads picked up on my softclaim - a soft claim that directly contradicted their role - and yet they just happened to go for Krypt instead of that?

I'm willing to see what'll happen tonight

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@PBug- I'm here, doing my reads.
Was going in order, but probably do KoC, Palisade to see how Palisade argument stacks up.

Yo Peregrine, Can I have your reads? It's been 4 days since you posted this. Or are they non-existent? Haven't done much have you?

Spoiler: Peregrine ISO, yep this is all he's done:

• Vote
  
• Vote
  
• Stick up for glowball, easylynch is easy
  
• I want to look town
  
• Look I'm contributing, vote slighttown
  
• They don't have V/LA that's my reasoning, cbf
  
• Oh I'm doing stuff just wait and see, oh wait that was 4 days ago

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Peregrine should post like nao.

7 posts in ISO, half of which are just votes and the last of which makes an unfulfilled promise of reads.

Like, really?

That's not even active lurking.

The reason to take out KoC now is that they are a decent candidate for a mafia RB which would invalidate having Palisade kill them as a show of fealty.

-TO

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Monk, sign your posts.
-TO

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Peregrine should post like nao.

7 posts in ISO, half of which are just votes and the last of which makes an unfulfilled promise of reads.

Like, really?

That's not even active lurking.

The reason to take out KoC now is that they are a decent candidate for a mafia RB which would invalidate having Palisade kill them as a show of fealty.

-TO

Sorry, we had half-year close at work so this week was RL stuff.

So far only done Sancholates and JDGA, was going to do Palisades but I believe the vig claim, so I'll push it to the end.
So far they both appear townish, but need to update for the last 5 pages.

Give us what you have so far and how you got there. We're sympathetic to RL issues but we really need whatever you can contribute - even townreads.

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Got Bored let's do a Voter analysis

Spoiler: Knight of Cydonia Wagon

Yar. Looking back I think I'm going to;

Vote: Knight of Cydonia

Also, protip - when you're miller you claim miller Day 1. There is so much gak we wouldn't have even had to do if DK had been sitting behind a miller claim like he should have.

Basically a vote boiling down to him thinking KoC is active lurking as seen in the discussion over the first three posts here:
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p3164016

Town Motivated

Pallisade

• Vote on PBuG http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p3165583 its a vote based more on Swag than PBuG this read is from Almond
  
• Vote on ChkBallin http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p3169687 very short lived (12mins) I'd like to know more about this

Know what? I'll sheep Thor.

Unvote, Vote: KoC

.

Yar. Looking back I think I'm going to;

Vote: Knight of Cydonia

Also, protip - when you're miller you claim miller Day 1. There is so much gak we wouldn't have even had to do if DK had been sitting behind a miller claim like he should have.

What's your reason to voting him?

The scumteam has revealed itself!

Thanks, Sancho. You've made this a walk in the park for us. Celebloki, Ballin, Sancho, KoC. They die. Today.

So it all comes down to a sheep vote admittedly on someone that they have previously stated is scummy.

Null

I believe jilynne's claim and I agree that it only really helps town that she claimed.

Vote: PBuG

Modkill doesnt make him any less scum.

...reasoning? I don't understand what DK's modkill has to do with me.

Vote: Knight of Cydonia

because he spent 90% of his posts on day 1 clamoring for DK's lynch with no other valuable input whatsoever.

I agree with this reasoning and the rest of PBuG's posts are town leans for me. However had changed to Celebloki for their vote on Pallisade then changed back after BW gave something, I agree with this and did see it.

Town Motivated

SleepyKrew

• Vote on PBuG, http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p3164261 basically reasoning for a Swag lynch, doesn't want to lynch KoC: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p3164283
  
• Pallisade sheep vote, basically to get off reck's radar imo

Mostly caught up, need to re-read some walls.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: KoC
I believe the VigSlip.
Anyone notice KoC rolefishing PBuG a couple pages ago?

I like the final vote but the way he has been flipflopping all day makes me think if anyone on this wagon is scum it's Sleepy

scum? motivation

Pallisade Wagon

Well neither player has posted since the claim except for this:

Reck, besides having your own reason, can you elaborate on your hop onto Celebloki from Palisade?

Taro, go read the fragging thread.

Spoiler: Celebloki Wagon

Reck

• Vote on SleepyKrew
  
• Vote on Pallisade, it's a Godhammer vote, he had said he'd do this

TIME TO SHEEP PBUG CHOOOOOOOO CHOOOOOOOOO

VOTE: CELEBOKI

PBUG: DOING RECK'S ANALYSIS SO HE DOESN'T HAVE TO SINCE 2011

First thought, Taro really needs to read the thread. Though all in all

Town Motivated

Chkballin

• Vote on JDGA http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p3162667 I understand the reasoning and the reason for the hop off, I like it
  
• Vote on Pallisade http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p3178427

Vig claim? My gut says no, but that makes more sense than Krypt investigating jilynne.

UNVOTE: Palisade
VOTE: Celebloki

I have my own non-sheep reasons for the vote, but you'll have to wait for my part of the case until I get a chance to post it.

I would like to hear this reasoning.

Chkballin Wagon

I checked Mini 973, where Hoopla (who's in charge of Normal Game review) fakeclaimed PGO. She said a scum or vig kill would still kill her. So jilynne's claim is more believable than I originally thought.

VOTE: chkballin

Something about this vote rubs me up the wrong way, probably because since the start of the day he was talking to Jily about her claim. However this on closer inspection just seems to be a vote carried over from yesterday.

PBuG Wagon

...reasoning? I don't understand what DK's modkill has to do with me.

Vote: Knight of Cydonia

because he spent 90% of his posts on day 1 clamoring for DK's lynch with no other valuable input whatsoever.

a) deliberate misrep, stating "the fact DK was modkilled doesn't make PBuG less scummy" isn't an implication that DK's modkill has an effect on you, it's a clear statement of "okay, the fucktard is out of the way, continue as normal".

b) blatant hypocrisy, given that you yourself stated that after reading the thread twice (which you admitted to not actually doing), DK was your only scumread. You're voting me for pushing hard on your only scumread of your own. Yeah, I tunnelled yesterday, but 1) frankly, getting DK out of this game sooner rather than later was of paramount importance to making this game semi-playable. The fact that you're dragging DK back into this stinks of a desire to reobfuscate the scum hunting, just as he did yesterday.

Vote: PBuG

On closer inspection this seems to be more I want to be on a wagon on someone voting me Thor doesn't look wagonable, go PBuG. KoC, What do you think of Celebloki?

Jily Wagon

i don't believe jily's claim, and i haven't even read the thread.

VOTE: jily

reading now, PGO claim is shit, why don't you just claim fucking vig while you're at it.

I really don't like this vote or any of his posts today, compounding that with his atrocious reads here: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p3142974 I'm going to leave TO's vote there but will hammer KoC

Votecount 2.2

Noting Voting

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:

Mist7676

rep

, jilynne1991

(V/LA)

, Zebronic, PeregrineV, JDGA, BeaverWeasel

Well the first three have somewhat legitimate reasons for not voting yet, but you last three are two scum and a town.

-m

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while KoC has many. The funny thing is that...I insist on believing he's town, because his posts on Day 1 look...reallly good. I still don't know what to think. I kind of want KoC lynched simply so I can find out whether he's scum or not...this is killing me.

What? How do those posts look good on Day 1? Most if not all of them are going after DK and we know he was town now.

-m

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in fact:
VOTE: jilynne

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The only reason, we as a Hydra aren't voting KoC is because it'd be better to have our Vig/Tame SK kill him over night, though as always we're up for a KoC lynch, we're also up for a SleepyKrew lynch since our vote on jily is more for utility wagon reasons and we like the look of a Krew lynch

VOTE: SleepyKrew

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I agree with this. I still have my suspicions of Palisade but believe his NK role. I can easily see that they targetted Krypt last night, he was after her D1. Even if Palisade is a SK though we can still verify his ability by guiding his target tonight and seeing what happens. If he's smart they will let the town guide their kills instead of independently scumhunting. This jily thing is a sticky subject. I still have my suspicions of her from D1 and I was weary to believe that krypt died from targetting her last night. That being said jily did kind of freak out when krypt died and I can believe she is a PGO and freaked when a cop came up dead the next day. I don't see much other reason for her to randomly come out and claim like that. She should have claimed PGO D1. Only way we can safely verify is to lynch her. I'd be down for a retarded SK that wants to kill her though, Go for it if your out there. Or we can verify both Palisade and Jily by having him NK her :p (just kidding).

I am slightly weary of lynching her if the PGO claim is true. If we lynch her then we may very lose another 3 townies on top of the 3 we already have if VIG/SK Palisade hits townie. I don't see much motivation for Jily to fabricate a PGO claim. I can see her being scum and attempting to make herself safe at night but that just invites the town to lynch her. I think for now scumhunting elsewhere and watching her closely would be more beneficial. That being said I can support the KoC wagon if the town decided to stay with it. I don't understand his softclaim vig defense. At this point he is guaranteed to be killed either today by lynch or tonight by Palisade. If we lynch someone else I'm willing to bet he's Palisade's target for the softclaim and I wouldn't be wholly opposed to it. Before I place my vote on him I want to read through a few people in ISO and see if there's anything else glaring.

I agree with this, who are you going to NK Palisade? Or should we put it to some sort of vote?

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But back to KoC. I'm scum for wanting to lynch the scummiest people? Did you know that a lynch requires half the town?

No you're scum because I feel you're pushing a bit too hard on the Jily lynch, you're flipflopping on PBuG, obvbuddying any and all of the experienced players and all your posts are annoyingly short and lacking in any content whatsoever.

-m

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UNVOTE: SK
VOTE: Parabollocks
While the mason claim could be fake it'd be a stupid risk for a scumteam to take.
Parabollocks and KoC need to die, but I agree with my other head that Palisade should shoot KoC.
-TO

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The way I see it we possibly have two mason groups, anyone want to contradict me?
-m

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@65536- Which post of PBug's convinced you that he was town?

We haven't really been convinced, we just think those people pushing for a PBuG lynch are more scummy, purely because the main reasoning behind it is "swag -> newb, PBuG -> easy lynch"

-m

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Chkballin

• Vote on JDGA http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p3162667 I understand the reasoning and the reason for the hop off, I like it
  
• Vote on Pallisade http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p3178427

Vig claim? My gut says no, but that makes more sense than Krypt investigating jilynne.

UNVOTE: Palisade
VOTE: Celebloki

I have my own non-sheep reasons for the vote, but you'll have to wait for my part of the case until I get a chance to post it.

I would like to hear this reasoning.

1] His very first post (a catch-up after replacing whomever) and vote on Jilynne is absolute garbage.
2] His Response to why jilscum > Swagscum is just as garbage and could easily be scum sheeping.
3] This post is fluffing to active-lurk to buy time, only to call out Thor later for something Thor didn't even do. Blatant misrep is blatant.
4] Swag vote is purely so people wouldn't call out his lame "I'm going to vote the lurker" fluff-nonsense-sheeping and bleeds scum-trying-to-look-town to me.
5] Hardcore flip-flops from PBuG to DeityKabuto with the same "Why isn't X lynched already?" for town-fluff-cred.
6] I could stack on some new reasons as well, if you'd like, since my vote shouldn't have left that wagon to begin with. I just wanted a legitimate chance to catch-up before I laid my vote somewhere toDay.

Good reasoning is good, what do you think of the Mason stuff going on, specifically BeaverWeasel and DrippingGoofball.

Votecount 2.2

Noting Voting

(6)

:

Mist7676

rep

, jilynne1991

(V/LA)

, Zebronic, PeregrineV, JDGA, BeaverWeasel

Well the first three have somewhat legitimate reasons for not voting yet, but you last three are two scum and a town.

-m

Which do you think is which?

PeregrineV and JDGA look most scummy. JDGA is doing IoA and Peregrine reeks of lurkerscum

-m

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EBWOP:

just for note as well that read was from before this whole mason kafuffle so we're waiting on BW's explanation for his celebloki reactions before we reclassify him as town
-m

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currently BW is sitting in null territory, I would like to hear about celebloki from him, as I said that read was before all the mason thinking was blown out of the water
-m

[65536]

currently BW is sitting in null territory, I would like to hear about celebloki from him, as I said that read was before all the mason thinking was blown out of the water
-m

What do you think of him now that he's claimed Cop number two?

I'd like to know what my other head thinks but, for me personally it could go either way but I'm leaning towards town based on his posts but scum based on his claim.
-m

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Thanks for the reply... mastin? Mysterious M is mysterious.

Heya, this is a Hydra of monk and tarsonisocelot

Deerstalker hat reminds me of a one Sherlock Holmes, maybe that's where he's going with that, though I'd expect a Sherlock esque investigator to be somewhat different to a normal cop, though it does make sense for a second hat and I concur with bvoigt on scum motivation for claiming cop after a copflip
-m

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KoC wagon get
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Knight of Cydonia