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[hiplop]

cool.

[ace5993]

What archaebob is doing right now is dictating the game completely. Almost every post since page 4 has been directly related to archaebob's comments or questions. He isn't trying to generate discussion, he's trying to control it and lead the town to a mislynch D1.

@ hiplop - It's counterproductive for me to explain what I'm doing right now. I recognize this is slightly hypocritical, and I don't expect you to trust me just yet. However, I do expect you to recognize that even if I'm scum, what I've done so far is pro-town, and that there are better things for you to do than fuck up my process right now. I'll explain before the day is over. Ok?

Can't really be counterproductive, the only thing that's beneficial for town to be secretive about for long periods of time is reaction testing, and we're well past the stage of the game where that's the best tactic. What you did at the beginning of the game was pro-town, with nice reaction testing and discussion generating. However now the reaction testing is largely irrelevant and discussion is going in full force; continuing your tactics is highly anti-town at best. I'm going to guess you'll keep doing this until you've appeared to generate some discussion about everyone, or at least most of the game, then "explain" your techniques in some bs way, choose someone for the lynch and wait for everyone else to sheep you. I don't think there's anything better for me to do than to attempt to fuck up your process right now.

Unvote, Vote: archaebob

Also BarryAllen's last post was also horrible, so I think we've got two scumz right here. Archaebob over BarryAllen for now since bob's a bigger threat.

[hiplop]

UNVOTE: VOTE: bob

willing to go in on this

[Giitah]

Well, the wagon's died anyway regardless of whether or not I'd like to investigate Jilynne and while I hate to follow someone else I might as well see what can come out of this.

Vote: archaebob

Jilynne, I'd still like to see a couple words out of you on the topic of the other players.

[archaebob]

@ Ace -

And how exactly does one "pick" somebody for a lynch? If I can't make a persuasive argument, no one will sheep me. Your entire stance is based on the false premise that my refusing to answer questions and "dictating" to the town will somehow give me a hold on everyone's opinion.

There are lot of players right now who are doing

nothing

to help the town. Some have hardly posted at all. You don't like that I don't make myself transparent. I get you. But if I'm scum, I've committed myself to an active post rate and a promise for satisfactory explanations later. What has the rest of the town committed to?

Anyways, I've already made it clear that as soon as everyone has responded to my questions I'll explain what the point of them was. If you want that to happen sooner rather than later, why don't you get back on the jil wagon? She already ignored my first question to her, even forgetting the chain that everyone seems to hate so much.

[archaebob]

And the wagon that has just materialized on me should give you some perspective about how much of "threat" I am. Lol.

Still waiting on Jil.

Ace, I'm also curious to hear what you think about Giitah's mcSheepful vote onto me.

[hiplop]

giitah is scum; we can get her in a few minutes, though

[archaebob]

put a cap on it. I want to hear what Jilynne has to say and what archaebob has to say before I pass a judgement on him.

What happened to this?

[Giitah]

?
Archaebob's... wait, what? .. vote off Jil leaves it at L-4...

Okay, never mind what I was thinking there. I jumped on to a pressure vote since I thought Ace had jumped ship from the Jil, which I now realize he didn't.

@Archaebob, what I just wrote is what happened to it. I was under the impression we were at L-4 now - not enough votes for pressure.

[archaebob]

Seems like you're passing a judgement on me before hearing what I have to say. I'm at L-2 now, you know.

Maybe you want to think about going back to jil?

[nintendoaddict1]

why don't you get back on the jil wagon? She already ignored my first question to her, even forgetting the chain that everyone seems to hate so much.

Maybe you want to think about going back to jil?

Pushing a lynch one someone will not help the case against you, in fact, you are making things worse for yourself. If you are so close to lynch you may want to consider a claim in the near future.

[Heliman]

@Ace

What archaebob is doing right now is dictating the game completely. Almost every post since page 4 has been directly related to archaebob's comments or questions. He isn't trying to generate discussion, he's trying to control it and lead the town to a mislynch D1.

This is a load of bullshit reasoning. Being able to play as a vocal town player is practically the opposite of acting scummy. Furthermore, as long as his reasoning is legit, you have no goddamn buisness accusing him of trying to push a mislynch D1, especially since he isn't showing any signs of tunneling.

Can't really be counterproductive, the only thing that's beneficial for town to be secretive about for long periods of time is reaction testing, and we're well past the stage of the game where that's the best tactic.

Stop trying to dictate how others scum hunt, a reaction test is legitimate at any stage of the game. It may always be underhanded to use, but as long as the trap doesn't look like scum covering it's own ass it isn't malicious.

What you did at the beginning of the game was pro-town, with nice reaction testing and discussion generating. However now the reaction testing is largely irrelevant and discussion is going in full force; continuing your tactics is highly anti-town at best.

It isn't anti town, if at any point there is a player acting suspicious that isn't giving a solid read, a reaction test of him is both pro town and viable.

I'm going to guess you'll keep doing this until you've appeared to generate some discussion about everyone, or at least most of the game, then "explain" your techniques in some bs way, choose someone for the lynch and wait for everyone else to sheep you.

If you think that he's scummy for an argument he hasn't made yet then you are either tunneling or desperate to scumhunt to appear town.

I don't think there's anything better for me to do than to attempt to fuck up your process right now.

Only if you're scum it is.

@Hiphop&Giitah

Major FOS for those contentless bandwagons. pressure=/=voting someone then sitting around with a thumb stuck up your ass.

[jilynne1991]

Oh, crap, I'm so sorry, I don't know what's up with me, ok, so here it is:

After going through hiplop's ISO it looks like he wants to appear like he is scumhunting with the least possible content. He might just be lazy, but this could also be a scumtell.

More content please!

I don't like the way you're playing the game, because from what I said earlier you point fingers at everyone, so if you'er scum, we have no one to connect you to, and I'd really like to see some actual content.

Earlier, I believed you're town, but you're kind of null now. Sorry archebob.

[archaebob]

JIL. ANSWER MY OTHER QUESTION.

Why did you only fos hiplop when you had no problem random voting three other players?

[archaebob]

@ everyone -

Is no one bothered by the fact that jil has now failed to address this question three times?

I'm

refusing

to answer a question, but jil is just acting like it isn't there. I've brought it up multiple times now. If she's choosing not to answer it, she should at least say so openly instead of dodging it.

[Barry Allen]

I have a job that keeps me on the road quite a bit. My last few posts have been from the hotel, and unfortunately I missed a rather important post while logging on and posting this morning. Even though the vote has moved on, I think it is important to address it. Ace called me out for supposedly bandwagoning on jillyne and for "lack of content", before moving on and voting bob.

Please let me point out to the 10th player out of 13 players to join the thread (that's you, Ace) that I was the

second

vote on jillyne out of what was eventually as many as 5 votes. I stated my reasons at the time and never heard a defense, so I asked for more info. That later post is what Ace used to claim I was BWing jillyne. That's not bandwagoning, that's playing the game. As far as bandwagoning...let's look at your own earlier post, Ace...

I like the jilynne wagon

but can't post in bold from my phone, incoming vote in like two hours barring significant developments.

I realize this is just D1 and great cases are hard to find. But, Ace seems to be throwing accusations without really reading the thread well. Ace doesn't even seem to recall his own earlier stands when throwing around votes. Hopefully that will change as we move forward, but it does bear further watching as we move through the round.

[archaebob]

TO THOSE OF YOU ON MY WAGON -

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 2#p2395182

Note that I was

town

in that game. And that we fucking

won

.

This should make those of you who are voting me for my "chain questions" stop in their tracks for a moment. Like all meta defenses, it's wifom, but it still does mean that you don't really have a case.

[DemonHybrid]

I'm not buying the bob wagon.

Jil was asked about 50 times for her reads and thoughts, and #187 is ALL she gives us?

No.

[jilynne1991]

Oh, I only FoSed hiplop, because I was voting someone else lol.

[Giitah]

Why did they deserve a vote more than Hiplop?

[hiplop]

so i deserve a vote for pursueing a scum read of mine? yeah nice logic. Its day one, 8 pages in. Obviously we're not going to have huge walls yet

[jilynne1991]

LOL, because at the time it was RVS, and I didn't want to have to unvote.

[nintendoaddict1]

Oh, I only FoSed hiplop, because I was voting someone else lol.

Yet you had already changed your vote twice before...

[hiplop]

TO THOSE OF YOU ON MY WAGON -

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 2#p2395182

Note that I was

town

in that game. And that we fucking

won

.

This should make those of you who are voting me for my "chain questions" stop in their tracks for a moment. Like all meta defenses, it's wifom, but it still does mean that you don't really have a case.

again, i know you're a strong player. Meta wont cut it, sorry man.

that said, your reactions have seemed townie so

UNVOTE:

[archaebob]

*sigh*

Normally I wouldn't cave to this, but I'm looking at the join dates on you guys and realize that I'm asking for too much. Especially with facepalms like nintendoaddict asking me to claim...I mean wow...you guys evidently can't hand my usual playstyle, and this whole argument is just becoming a distraction to the town now.

For those of you without critical thinking skills, THIS is why you should be voting jilyenne right now instead of me:

Hi!

Vote: Barry Allen

for being the first person to post besides the mod.

Fos: hiplop

for spelling Giitah's name wrong.

Vote: DemonHybrid

for ditching games.

DemonHybrid, just saying, but I caught up just fine. (Oh wait, nevermind, I have pretty much all the time in the world.)

Ok, well then

Unvote: DemonHybrid, Vote: Heliman

since I hate helicopters.

Alright children. Let's play a game. What do the above four quotes have in common?

Nobody?

Ok, I'll tell you

exactly what I'm thinking so you can all see my reasoning

.

The above four quotes are all RVS-oriented. Random bolded letters directed at people for joking reasons.

Now...

which one of the four is different

?

You got it.

Fos: hiplop

for spelling Giitah's name wrong.

Now why oh why would someone who thinks they are still in rvs be FoSing people? The whole point of rvs is to randomly put pressure on people with

votes

. An FoS does nothing if it's not serious.

Is there some reason why hiplop is getting special treatment here?

Well children, that's what I was trying to figure out with my little choo choo on her scummy butt. But since you guys seem more interested in my opinion, I'll tell you what

I

think:

I think that, without realizing it, jilyenne reflexively softened her random vote on hiplop because hiplop is her buddy. That knowledge affected her confidence in random voting him because she knew that the vote was fake. Downgrading the vote to an FoS was her subconscious way of distancing from it.

NOW you guys might have a clue about why I was asking her to describe hiplop's play, and why I threw it in with a bunch of other similar looking questions to make it less noticeable.

So let's continue. I ask jil to explain her special treatment of hiplop in this post:

Oh, right, my FoS was a joke, ok, ummm, unFoS?

LOL

unFoS hiplop

I didn't ask you to unFoS. I asked you tell me if it was serious or not.

If it was joke, then why did you FoS instead of voting? You had no problem joke voting Barry Allen, Demon Hybrid, or Heliman. Is there some reason you gave hiplop the softer treatment?

And she ignores it completely, despite answering my earlier question about if the fos was serious for a second time.

I bring up my question againhere, here, and here.

And she continuously ignores it, despite answering a different question from me again:

Oh, crap, I'm so sorry, I don't know what's up with me, ok, so here it is:

After going through hiplop's ISO it looks like he wants to appear like he is scumhunting with the least possible content. He might just be lazy, but this could also be a scumtell.

More content please!

I don't like the way you're playing the game, because from what I said earlier you point fingers at everyone, so if you'er scum, we have no one to connect you to, and I'd really like to see some actual content.

Earlier, I believed you're town, but you're kind of null now. Sorry archebob.

This is her response to me asking her about hiplop. Note how she's currently voting for NOBODY, and yet doesn't drop a vote on hiplop for the scumminess she sees in his ISO.

She also apologies to me for seeing me as null now, which is weird.

Do you guys catch my drift?

Or do you need more explanation?