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[hiplop]

shes obviously new, i FoS'd too, and iirc Barry allen did. I was slightly intoxicated admittedly, but RVS is just as much about starting conversations, as it is about applying pressure. Don't let my join date fool you, i've been playing mafia for years. Thats why meta wont cut it for me.

Also that reasoning is BS, fos =/= scumtell. Shes obviously young (account says 13 iirc), and won't fully understand mafia i suppose

[Giitah]

"Thats why meta wont cut it for me."
Y'mean, as reasoning?

[hiplop]

what?

[Giitah]

Clarify what you meant by those words, I didn't really understand.

Did you mean meta won't cut it for you to justify changing your play style like how Archaebob did?

[hiplop]

As a defense. He pulled up meta to excuse his play, i find meta useless, so it wont cut it for me

[archaebob]

@ hiplop -

1) You'll note that I called you scum as well, so comparing her to you doesn't help.
2) The circumstances of the other foses were different.
3) I see no reason why her being new in any way explains her special treatment of you. That FoS was surrounded by three other random votes.
4) Why are you defending her? Let her respond by herself without being fed good defenses by you.

5)

I still don't see you doing a damn thing to help this town.

[archaebob]

@ Giitah - Is there a reason your vote is still on me?

[hiplop]

how were they ANY different? because you want to target me specifically? Im not defending her at all, your logic just sucks

Unfortunately, you're town, VOTE: giitah

somethings not sitting right with you

[Giitah]

shes obviously new, i FoS'd too, and iirc Barry allen di

d. I was slightly intoxicated admittedly, but RVS is just as much about starting conversations, as it is about applying pressure. Don't let my join date fool you, i've been playing mafia for years.

Thats why meta wont cut it for me.

Also that reasoning is BS, fos =/= scumtell.

Shes obviously young (account says 13 iirc), and won't fully understand mafia

i suppose

As a defense. He pulled up meta to excuse his play,

i find meta useless

, so it wont cut it for me

Lying, LYING scum. There's a very very VERY OBVIOUS double standard here. Look at the bolded.

Unvote, Vote: Hiplop

giitah is scum; we can get her in a few minutes, though

Want to explain this as well? What's the basis of that accusation?

Also, I've italicized how you've defended her above. While it's just circumstancial at the moment I would take note of it nonetheless.

@Archaebob
Not really, no. The questioning was a failure anyway.

My personal reasons for wanting to hunt Jily were never explained, so I guess I'll explain now. I got a bad vibe after a while of reading her signature about being thirteen; I hate meta and I hate having to analyze it, but I was hella suspicious of that meta. Thirteen-year old girl? I wanted to check if she REALLY was what she said she was through an analysis of her answers and her competence, and then afterwards I'd keep whatever I found out to myself until/unless she made some sort of error in her judgement. Then I would be interested if she ever made reference to her meta as a defence.

@Heliman As for explaining my recent actions, well, I might as well speak now too. I'm a believer that pressure does change response, so I did consent to vote jump. That being said, no, I don't actually think he's suspicious, and yes, I disagree with you on 'pointless voting', because actions in this game are hardly ever pointless. Even random votes have significance.

@Archaebob again
I'd have to research Jily's posts again (see if she likes voting during day 1), but for now your case strong though it all rides on hunchs and no concrete evidence. I'll look into it.

[nintendoaddict1]

If you are so close to lynch you may want to consider a claim in the near future.

Especially with facepalms like nintendoaddict asking me to claim...

Show me where I

ask

you to claim, I was making a suggestion.

your logic just sucks

Unfortunately, you're town, VOTE: giitah

The only way you would know for sure who is Town on D1 is if you yourself are scum.

[hiplop]

I wasn't speaking in absolutes, hes been acting town. Giitah, i mean other-game meta. Not personality meta.

[nintendoaddict1]

I wasn't speaking in absolutes, hes been acting town. Giitah, i mean other-game meta. Not personality meta.

Not speaking in absolutes? If you had said 'probably town' or something along those lines, THAT would be not speaking in absolutes. Instead, you said "You're town." That's about as absolute as it gets.

[nintendoaddict1]

Giitah, i mean other-game meta. Not personality meta.

Didn't you just get through saying you find meta useless?

[hiplop]

Yeah, i was explaining what meta i find useless. Bringing up other games is what i consider meta, i dont consider psycho-graphic characteristics to be meta.

i worded that wrong admittedly. I mean im getting a town-read from him

[archaebob]

@ Nintendo -

You need to spend some more time in the newbie queue, my friend. The fact that it would even cross your mind for an instant that claiming right now would be a good idea is some major facepalm.

[Giitah]

Yeah, i was explaining what meta i find useless. Bringing up other games is what i consider meta, i dont consider psycho-graphic characteristics to be meta.

i worded that wrong admittedly. I mean im getting a town-read from him

So you consider claimed-and-'proveable' evidence from past games to be worthless, while you consider claimed evidence of their own personality to be in the clear?

[nintendoaddict1]

@ Nintendo -

You need to spend some more time in the newbie queue, my friend. The fact that it would even cross your mind for an instant that claiming right now would be a good idea is some major facepalm.

You were at L-2 and you're saying you find claiming to be a bad idea in that situation?

[hiplop]

Yeah, i was explaining what meta i find useless. Bringing up other games is what i consider meta, i dont consider psycho-graphic characteristics to be meta.

i worded that wrong admittedly. I mean im getting a town-read from him

So you consider claimed-and-'proveable' evidence from past games to be worthless, while you consider claimed evidence of their own personality to be in the clear?

@nintendo, yes that is definitely bad

its not good to use that as an offense nor defense, it just doesnt belong in mafia. Their age, mafia experience can be used, but nothing else really. like you couldnt vote me because im an aspiring actor, and they're good at pulling off roles. Get me?

[Giitah]

But you defended her because she's a little girl I suppose?
Your logic isn't adding up, Hiplop.

[Giitah]

I mean, seeing as you SPECIFICALLY EVEN SAID SO...
"Shes obviously young (account says 13 iirc), and won't fully understand mafia i suppose"

[jilynne1991]

Ok, excuse my tone, but I AM NOT A LITTLE GIRL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I AM PERFECTLY CAPABLE OF THINKING CLEARLY, AND MY MIND WORKS JUST FINE.

I may not be very good at mafia because I'm new. NOT BECAUSE I'M 13.

[Heliman]

Oh, it's okay Jil, want some candy?
Haa haa. Hee hee. Hoo hoo.
Sick burns aside, are you 13? You sort of dodged that question.

@HipLop

Well it seems that hiplop is boxing himself into a corner here, especially with that bullshit vote he made on Giitah in 207. He's also a dumbass for not using meta.

@Nintendoaddict1

Two things: first, your argument against Hiplop is odd, because even though he made the absolution that Giitah is town, you've totally ignored the OTHER absolution he made that said that Giitah is scum. You're mistaking a way of speaking with a scum tell and that's NOT COOL.

@ Nintendo -
You need to spend some more time in the newbie queue, my friend. The fact that it would even cross your mind for an instant that claiming right now would be a good idea is some major facepalm.

You were at L-2 and you're saying you find claiming to be a bad idea in that situation?

Claiming either comes when the player feels like it or if he's at L-1 with a hammer over his head with people asking him to claim. So yeah, claiming at L-2 is a bad idear most any situation.

@Giitah

@Heliman As for explaining my recent actions, well, I might as well speak now too. I'm a believer that pressure does change response, so I did consent to vote jump. That being said, no, I don't actually think he's suspicious, and yes, I disagree with you on 'pointless voting', because actions in this game are hardly ever pointless. Even random votes have significance.

You're right, pointless votes do have significance, but only to the people who notice the pointless votes (out of RVS, mind) and think: "What a passive player!" If you really want to add pressure, bring an argument, or any player with so much as a chip on his shoulder will be unaffected by it.

[archaebob]

@ nintendo -

So just to be clear, you're sticking with your vote on me?

[Heliman]

and now I'm going to have to look into your meta to see if you always act overdefensive like that.

[jilynne1991]

...Yes, I'm 13, thank you very much for all your concern over my age.