Wizards at the Sorcerers' Den - Endgame

[SGRaaize]

you, LMP and Feysal*

[Bunnylover]

@Zdenek: I don't see the disconnect. Can you explain it?

[IceyCupcake]

Okay, concerns about Katy are now at a lower level, with it being clear that actions were flying all around. Makes me feel less good about the masons, since Mana could have been shot by town on RNG.

FOS: Snake Plissken

I love the way you hop in to prove something that has been proved for a week, and you contribute NOTHING to the gamestate while doing so. Now you have an excuse for not doing anything useful for the entire rest of the day. So Snake, why'd you do it? You've never even MENTIONED Katy before. Your ISO is just you joining bandwagons randomly.

I hate it, hate it, hate it.

PEdit: Not quite, SGRaize.

[WrathChild]

I've narrowed the possible scum down to:

7- Bunnylover
11- SnakePlissken
14- Beefster
16- BabySpice
17- LynchMePls
18- Zdenek
20- inHimshallibe
21- SGRaaize
23- Feysal

Snake, inhim and SGR are bruised. Beef is dying. This means no lynching Beef IMO, but I'd still be open to lynching any of the bruised players, particularly snake.

Interesting. I thought threw a 4 damage spell at Baby Spice. It must have been blocked/commuted.

*Argh* I was probably roleblocked... or Baby Spice is undead. My spells don't affect undead.

Interesting info, saving it up for later.

His action hit another target.

Since I am racking up pseudo-votes and now have one seemingly unchangeable real vote with nothing I can actually respond to, and nothing much is happening, let me make things a little more explicit.

Last night I targeted Amrun. My action hit RBT instead.

It should be pretty clear what I did.

I don't know what Bunnylover did, so I don't know if it was universal or how it worked, but if you targeted someone and it doesn't seem like they got hit, that's why. Bunnylover messed with actions, and they also have admitted it so I doubt they are scum. As WratchChild pointed out, it's not likely scum would alert people to that kind of a night action. So, Icey, if part of your concern about me is that you tried to damage me and I didn't get damaged, that would explain it.

Updating:
I've narrowed the possible scum down to:

-Bunnylover
-SnakePlissken
-Beefster
-BabySpice
-LynchMePls
-Zdenek
-inHimshallibe
-SGRaaize
-Feysal
-Peregrine

I though Peregrine breadcrumbed what Katy just claimed. I'm pretty sure Katy just confirmed herself town, unless reviving = recruiting. I'll BRB with something.

[inHimshallibe]

Ok, discussed and fixed. Now that that's done:

@whoever hit me- you suck.

I wish I had a big ass bomb, I'd blow everyone up, and let the

undead pop back up and win

.

I think vote counts can still be analyzed, despite what someone said yesterday.

FoS: Dry-Fit

(sheeping only confirmed town for now)

This, WC?

Yeah, Peregrine can die.

[WrathChild]

Also, I think bunnylover should be taken off my list leaving:

-SnakePlissken
-Beefster
-BabySpice
-LynchMePls
-Zdenek
-inHimshallibe
-SGRaaize
-Feysal
-Peregrine

I feel like Bunnylover gave a redirect heads-up and confirmed it again before Katy admitted to being redirected. I doubt scum would do that.

[PeregrineV]

@WC, InHim-
Nope, no intent to breadcrumb, but I do like the symmetry.

@Katy- Wished you would have waited to claim, they're only FoS not votes.

[IceyCupcake]

PEREGRINE YOU INCREDIBLELY USELESS DINK

WE CAN'T UNVOTE

ONCE SOMEONE HITS L-1, THEY HAVE TO DIE BECAUSE OTHERWISE WE NO LYNCH.

YOU JUST SPOUTED SOMETHING THAT SOUNDED TOWNIE WHILE NOT ADDING ANYTHING

MY GOD YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY SCUM. YOU AND BEEFSTER JUST DIE.

[SGRaaize]

What the fuck is going on?

[PeregrineV]

PEREGRINE YOU INCREDIBLELY USELESS DINK

WE CAN'T UNVOTE

ONCE SOMEONE HITS L-1, THEY HAVE TO DIE BECAUSE OTHERWISE WE NO LYNCH.

YOU JUST SPOUTED SOMETHING THAT SOUNDED TOWNIE WHILE NOT ADDING ANYTHING

MY GOD YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY SCUM. YOU AND BEEFSTER JUST DIE.

NOT REALLY SURE WHERE YOU ARE GOING WITH THIS. I KNOW THAT WE CAN'T UNVOTE.

I DIDN'T SPOUT ANYTHING, I GAVE MY OPINION.

WHY ARE WE YELLING?

[Snow_Bunny]

Votecount

2- gandalf5166

[Healthy]

(0)
3- A Gaggle of Geese

[Healthy]

(0)
5- Riceballtail

[Bruised]

(0)
6- Katy

[Healthy]

(1) - SnakePlissken
7- Bunnylover

[Healthy]

(1) - AGOG
8- IceyCupcake

[Healthy]

(0)
10- Dry-fit

[Healthy]

(0)
11- SnakePlissken

[Bruised]

(0)
12- WrathChild

[Healthy]

(0)
14- Beefster

[Dying]

(0)
15- PeregrineV

[Dying]

(0)
16- BabySpice

[Healthy]

(0)
17- LynchMePls

[Healthy]

(0)
18- Zdenek

[Healthy]

(0)
19- Mana_Ku

[Bleeding]

(0)
20- inHimshallibe

[Bruised]

(0)
21- SGRaaize

[Bruised]

(0)
23- Feysal

[Healthy]

(0)

Not voting (16): gandalf5166, Riceballtail, Katy, Bunnylover, IceyCupcake, Dry-fit, , WrathChild, Beefster, PeregrineV, BabySpice, LynchMePls, Zdenek, Mana_Ku, inHimshallibe, SGRaaize, Feysal

With 18 alive, it takes 10 to lynch.

Deadline is on June 30th at midnight (GMT -5)

Come on guys, I'm happy you're making my job easier, but lay some votes! Lemme see da action! You know, it really can't be

that

bad, can it?

This annoys me to no end. You mess with the basic functioning of the game by disallowing unvotes and then complain when we don't want to vote? That is absurd.

Replace me out please. I have no patience for this game. Have fun everyone.

{scrubbed}

Ok. Oh, and btw, it annoys me to no end to see players whining for things that don't work exactly as they suppose to and that can't bear something different in their soup. You all knew this game was going to be different. But oh well, I won't say anything else about it. If anyone else want to replace out, be my guest. I worked hard for this setup, and I don't want to see it ruined by a couple of players who want to have their way. I rather leave it unplayed than ruined.

Oh, and I prodded a lot of people. Mana_Ku, AGOG, gandalf and Dry-fit all have been prodded.

[gandalf5166]

Oops. I have camp starting in ten minutes, but I'll start catching up in three hours, even if I have to do it on my phone.

[gandalf5166]

People need to stop bitching. The first two games had weird bits too. Get over it or don't join the game. Meantime, I wish that my two main suspects weren't already bleeding. Now, I do agree that her ruleset is irritating, but that's the way it is. Excuse me if my thoughts are all over the place, I usually edit it into a comprehensible order but I can't on my phone. Katy is still the best lynch. Reading my ISO is not new info, it's info she should have had earlier when she first accused me, and iirc info that she SAID she had. And the flips have nothing to do with my alignment unless she wants to say how they did. And referencing ongoing games isn't all of a sudden okay because it's relevant and because you put redacted in. There's only one game that I've just flipped in, everyone knows what you're talking about.

[Zdenek]

Your logic on Pine was terribad.

First of all, I disagree with that, considering that I voted Pine fairly early, but that is hardly the point. You said:

1)Zdenek does look like he's planting reasons to vote that person later in case a BW forms, all without 1) Giving much reasoning himself and just following whatever other person says 2) Flip-Flopping a bit too much for my eyes.

which has absolutely nothing to do with my reasons for voting Pine.

Doesn't look like a disconnect to me

@Zdenek: I don't see the disconnect. Can you explain it?

Ae you pretending to be stupid? Bunnylover is using how damaged people are to help determine whether they are scum or town, and saying that we can't trust night actions. If the damage occurred at night, then why should we believe that it hit its intended target?

I agree with IceyC that Peregrine's 1556 is terrible.

WC, could you explain some of your reads?

[Beefster]

People need to stop bitching. The first two games had weird bits too. Get over it or don't join the game. Meantime, I wish that my two main suspects weren't already bleeding. Now, I do agree that her ruleset is irritating, but that's the way it is. Excuse me if my thoughts are all over the place, I usually edit it into a comprehensible order but I can't on my phone. Katy is still the best lynch. Reading my ISO is not new info, it's info she should have had earlier when she first accused me, and iirc info that she SAID she had. And the flips have nothing to do with my alignment unless she wants to say how they did. And referencing ongoing games isn't all of a sudden okay because it's relevant and because you put redacted in. There's only one game that I've just flipped in, everyone knows what you're talking about.

QFT. It's called a theme game.

[WrathChild]

-SnakePlissken:
ISO #1: Comment about leaving RVS feels insincere. Breadcrumbs then later denies it. RVS votes CK/AGOG, then votes Soben (NKed town)
ISO #2: Denies bad breadcrumb.
ISO #3: Complains about Caps Lock
ISO #4: V/LA announcement
ISO #5: Acts as if he's concerned about hammering Pine when Pine was at L-6. Seems like a "I'm trying to act town concerned" post.
ISO #6: First, slightly defends Beef and CK/AGOG, then gives several reads:
-CMR Town (SKed Night 1 IMO)
-SGR Weird (Interesting comment)
-Gandalf Uneasy (He votes Gandalf over current Bus on Beefster)
-RBT (Town) Null
ISO #7: Votes Feysal
ISO #8: Unvotes Feysal and Votes Dry-Fit for lurking, which is funny coming from a lurker.
ISO #9: Announces V/LAs and votes Katsuki (no reason) and complains we haven't lynched yet (which I felt was a good thing at the time).
ISO #10: Votes Soben (Mafia NK IMO) for taking the lead in the game (another thing I find very towny and positive).
ISO #11: Reinforces ISO #10
ISO #12: Gives null on Peregrine and RBT (who was well on his way to lynchville), then gives the old poor me, Amrun (town) is trying to mislynch a lurker comment. This is interesting because he calls himself a lurker which I find fundementaly different than a "Light Poster". The label "Lurker" implies that they could in fact post more but choose not to. Then reinforces ISO #10 AGAIN.
ISO #13: MetaBlah
ISO #14: Tries to argue that the 3 leading wagons (Gandalf, Implosion (SKed Town IMO) and RBT (Town)) are possibily all scum. Which is interesting because I'm pretty sure they're all town.
ISO #15: Votes RBT, knowing it puts him at L-1 which is incredibly odd considering ISO #5 when he didn't want to "Mis-Hammer at L-6"
ISO #16: State obvious about Day and Night actions
ISO #17: Worthless Twilight comment is worthless
ISO #18: Speculates the inability to unvote
ISO #19: Announces V/LA
ISO #20: Promises post back from V/LA
ISO #21: Places vote to "confirm" that we can't unvote, which was already confirmed by AGOG. As pointed out by Icey this is incredibly scummy and seems like an easy ticket to Not-Participating Station.

Based on all that I feel pretty darn comfortable confirming that I punched Snake yesterday and think he should probably be the lynch today. Zero actual scumhunting, contridicting vote reasoning (ISO #5 and ISO #15), arguing that all 3 wagons yesterday could be scum (2 of 3 confirmed town and I'd be surprised if the 3rd was scum), over announcing V/LA (I unintnentionally did this when I was scum in American Gods because I was concerned with being labeled a lurker), admits to lurking, but votes people for lurking, etc.

FOS: Snake

[A Gaggle of Geese]

Sooooo Faraday's been MIA for a few days and I forgot about this game.

I'm ok with a Pere lynch

Both of us in this hydra last time we spoke wanted a BunnyLover lynch pretty badly which is why we put down that unremovable vote.

[Snow_Bunny]

Surye replaces LynchMePlis. Welcome to the game, Surye!

[Surye]

I'm caught up in the game mostly, though I'm working on some analysis. Though I'm currently liking the snake wagon, Icey and Wrath have summed it up. As I want to treat FoS's as I would votes here, I'll place my vote by the end of the (real) day when I'm comfortable I have a full grasp on the cases.

[SGRaaize]

I like Wrath's case, and I'm back to yet another 180 and think he's town again.

UnFos

FoS: Snake

[SGRaaize]

Your logic on Pine was terribad.

First of all, I disagree with that, considering that I voted Pine fairly early, but that is hardly the point. You said:

1)Zdenek does look like he's planting reasons to vote that person later in case a BW forms, all without 1) Giving much reasoning himself and just following whatever other person says 2) Flip-Flopping a bit too much for my eyes.

which has absolutely nothing to do with my reasons for voting Pine.

You seemed like you were planting reasons to vote Pine because your reasoning is terrible

[SGRaaize]

Alright, after rereading a while

Here are my current reads:

100% Sure Town: SGRaaize, the great

(and rbt)

Fairly Positive Town: WrathChild; AGOG

Leaning Town: Mana_Ku (I know he claimed Mason with Chesskid3, but I just can't put Mana_Ku and Chesskid3 in the same category when Mana_Ku is so much scummier); Baby Spice; Beefster

Don't matter cause he's Third Party or Town: Icey

Null: Katy, Bunnylover; Dry-fit; Feysal; inHimShallIBe; Surye; Zdenek

Sweedish Null: Gandalf

Leaning Scum: PeregrineV; Snake

Fairly Positive Scum: No one

[IceyCupcake]

Sooooo Faraday's been MIA for a few days and I forgot about this game.

I'm ok with a Pere lynch

Both of us in this hydra last time we spoke wanted a BunnyLover lynch pretty badly which is why we put down that unremovable vote.

So on that claiming masons day 1 so you guys could become confirmed town and lead the town from a position of authority before you died, how's that working out?


@Surye: Welcome! This is good news

@Mod: ManaKu hasn't posted on site for 2 weeks.

@Everyone: PeregrineV is near death, we just finish that and Beefster off.

[SGRaaize]

ManaKu has already been prodded, as well as few others.

[A Gaggle of Geese]

it's going fanfuckintastic

NOW THAT I KNOW PERE IS ND

WE ARE NOT LYNCHIGN HIM

WE ARE LYNCHING SOMEONE WHO IS HEALTHY

IF YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHY
YOU SHOULD TAKE AN INTELLIGENCE TEST

I SUGGEST BUNNYLOVER SCUMMY AS HELL