Wizards at the Sorcerers' Den - Endgame

[IceyCupcake]

Cool you got caught up to me like two weeks ago.

So sell me on Bunnylover Chess. Why her?

[A Gaggle of Geese]

ISO her

[GreyICE]

ISO her

Sorry, not today. She's been on my watchlist since the ISO #7, but ISO #8 was fairly good, and overall I'm not sold.

So sell me Chess.

[Katy]

AGOG,

Why does a scum player admit to rearranging night actions when no one in thread seems aware of it and are basing their analyses on who they think was targeted at night?

I don't really see Bunnylover as scum given that fact.

[Feysal]

Also, LMP, please for the love of god don't replace out. I'm seriously down to you, AGOG, Feysal, and Inhim as people I actively want to work with.

I WILL NO LONGER ENDORSE A LYNCH ON FEYSAL OR INHIM BECAUSE I THINK THEY'RE SOMETHING RESEMBLING HUMAN BEINGS I CAN WORK WITH.

I'm fine with cooperating with you, particularly as I currently have town reads on everyone you mentioned. Gaggle of Geese should be obvious town for the mason claim, but since some players have voiced doubts, the reason is that no scum would draw such a strong connection between them in what is likely a multi-scum game, when one of them could die at any time and condemn the other. I suspected inHimshallibe on day one, but after an ISO read and meta check during the twilight, I felt I was probably wrong and revised that read. LMP was the last one I was uncertain about, but the fact that he replaced out gives me a town read on the slot. If he was scum, with everything going his way so far, I don't see him being so frustrated he would leave the game.

Katy seems to be accepted as town now due to her claim of reviving RBT, and for good measure I read through her ISO. I don't really get what the suspicion was about in the first place, while she did not look blazingly obvtown I don't see what was supposed to be scummy either. But that no longer matters, if she brought back RBT and no one counterclaimed her, that is good enough. Even without that, I felt dissuaded from lynching her by her claim of having checked the masons. As strange as that claim may have been, I've seen worse from town, and investigative claims have a way of sorting themselves out. I doubt scum would want to make such a false claim in this setup, out of fear of being killed by rival scum.

I've seen quite a few people suspecting WrathChild, however I got a strong town read on him from his posts about SGRaaize's plan. In light of what he said later, I can understand why he'd act that way as town, even if I don't think it was useful. What I can't see is a scum motivation. Now, I'm glad to see him doing some scumhunting.

SnakePlissken's test and locking his vote on Katy is exactly the sort of thing I hoped to bait the scum into doing when I asked for volunteers. Some other parts of the case on him are pointless though, like overannouncing V/LA. If you look at his sitewide activity, he gave V/LA notices in all his games with back-to-back posts. The problem is I could see him as this useless and lurky as town - have a look at his play in Open 307 for a recent example of this. The degree to which he is disconnected with this game is a bit much though. He somehow missed the mason claim earlier, and now we're supposed to believe he missed the unvote test, after he himself brought up the subject. He is clearly not following his own suggestion to read the thread, and that makes the suggestion dishonest and scummy.

By the way, I very much disagree with SnakePlissken describing me as lurkier than him and posting less content. At the time he made his accidental vote on me, I had as many posts as he did, and mine were rather longer. Dry-fit had fewer, but his were also considerably longer. Looks to me that Snake's reason for voting us was simply false.

FOS: SnakePlissken

By the way, there was a detail that caught my interest in WrathChild's last post. He said he punched SnakePlissken yesterday. Can you confirm whether this was meant literally, as in you used a physical attack on him, and if this was during the day phase? Simple yes or no answers will do.

[SnakePlissken]

If he punched me and it did damage, that would be very interesting to me. ANyone else who attacked me, want to own up? I need to know.

[WrathChild]

I attacked Snake during Day 1.

[WrathChild]

If he punched me and it did damage, that would be very interesting to me. ANyone else who attacked me, want to own up? I need to know.

My fake-claim senses are starting to tingle.

[WrathChild]

AGOG,

Why does a scum player admit to rearranging night actions when no one in thread seems aware of it and are basing their analyses on who they think was targeted at night?

I don't really see Bunnylover as scum given that fact.

This.

[WrathChild]

Also, I think bunnylover should be taken off my list leaving:

-SnakePlissken
-Beefster
-BabySpice
-LynchMePls
-Zdenek
-inHimshallibe
-SGRaaize
-Feysal
-Peregrine

I feel like Bunnylover gave a redirect heads-up and confirmed it again before Katy admitted to being redirected. I doubt scum would do that.

ISO on Snake is done.
Beef is going to die regardless.
Peregrine is going to die regardless.

This leaves:

-BabySpice
-LynchMePls
-Zdenek
-inHimshallibe
-SGRaaize
-Feysal

I'm gonna look at Baby spice (Sidenote: My Ex-Grilfriend looked like Baby Spice).

[WrathChild]

Also, I noticed RBT was bruised meaning that it was either a condition of revival or non-town attacked RBT last night.

[WrathChild]

I just noticed I didn't start at 0 for my Snake ISO list:

Baby Spice, ISO:
ISO #0: Promises Content
ISO #1: Pretty weak reasoning for getting on the Pine (Town) Wagon, says CMAR (town) is town, SGR is Null, then makes a slight jab at ABR (town).
ISO #2: Kind of backs down on Pine (Town), but no Unvote. Sides with Amrun (town)
ISO #3: Agrees to do the Icey Pre-Vote
ISO #4: Icey Pre-Vote and back to Pine (Town)
ISO #5: Votes Beef for making a crappy case on Amrun (Town)
ISO #6: Lays into Beef, makes good points IMO
ISO #7: See ISO #6
ISO #8: Suggests the Claimer Killer is an Item, calls for more Icey Pre-Votes
ISO #9: Expands on ISO #8
ISO #10: Votes Zdnek for opportunistic attacks and backs off Beef, calling him Bad town. This post worries me a bit, but I need more flips to read this properly.
ISO #11: Questions the Mason alignment
ISO #12: Votes RBT (Town) for suspecting a second scum team, but says the "2nd teams" were historically a non-scum 3rd party, but votes RBT (Town) anyway because she suspects that he is part of the "2nd team" which she just described as non-scum.
ISO #13: Continues to argue that 2nd is not scum.
ISO #14: MetaBlah
ISO #15: Accuses ABR (Town) of Sheeping her on the Beef and Zdnek case, but not the RBT (Town) case
ISO #16: Calls Beef a fencesitter
ISO #17: Accuses CMAR (Town) of chainsawing
ISO #18: See ISO #16, suggests RBT is 3rd party
ISO #19: More beef with Beef about the Fencesitter comment
ISO #20: Votes Zdnek for pushing points that have already been addressed and thanks ABR (Town) for sheeping her.
ISO #21: Mocks Beef's OMGUS case against her
ISO #22: More Back and Forth about the Zdnek case
ISO #23: See ISO #22
ISO #24: Says that as far as she knows, no one damaged her last night in response to Beef asking the thread that very question.
ISO #25: Explores the voting/unvoting restriction issue
ISO #26: Leans town on SGR, backs off Beef and FoS Zdnek for ambiguous posts. Believes AGOG and Mana are town masons, says Snake and DryFit are FoSable
ISO #27: Gets back at Zdnek case for trying to get people to vote when it was already confirmed un-unvote day.
ISO #28: Asks me if I realize that beef's targeting makes him town.

Overall, I think we should NOT be lynching Baby Spice today. There were a couple posts that worried me (ISO #10 and #12-13), but overall I feel pretty confident saying that Baby Spice is town, at least until we see some more flips.

[WrathChild]

It looks like he soft claimed undead, also note:
-Wights appear to be the VTs of this game- and thus are common
-Wights are undead
-My spells don't hurt undead
-The flavor of my role implies that there are NO UNDEAD WIZARDS.
-Therefore if I attack PeregrineV and no damage occurs, he is confirmed town. If he ends up dying, no real loss: He's a lurker/anti-town.

If someone is a watcher/similar role, he can check on Peregrine to confirm that I was the only person that targeted him.

@Beefster-Uh, no.

@Feysal- I do better later in game, esp. big ones (like Cold War). I also do better on the weekdays while I mix business with mafia at work.
The important message was whoever hit me sucks. It's important they understand how slimy they are.

So Peregrine just admitted to not being undead?

[Katy]

Also, I noticed RBT was bruised meaning that it was either a condition of revival or non-town attacked RBT last night.

It's from the revive. It takes a lot of effort to bring someone back to life! Healing them to full on top of that is way too hard.

[PeregrineV]

@WC- I am not undead.

[WrathChild]

@WC- I am not undead.

So you do realize that when Beef attacks you, you will die? So can we get some effort out of you until then?

[Beefster]

FoS: Baby Spice

Stupid redirection.

[Riceballtail]

Why are people not lynching Dry? Seriously.

[Baby Spice]

FoS: Baby Spice

Stupid redirection.

Que?

[Beefster]

You're not cleared. Redirection means I likely hadn't hit my intended target.

[Baby Spice]

Oh. Fair nuff

[A Gaggle of Geese]

You may be right about bunnylover.

except for the part where we roleblocked her last night and she still claims an action that worked

kthxbie

LA next two days

[SGRaaize]

Unfos

FoS: Bunnylover

[Zdenek]

FOS: Snake

Limited access for the next two weeks, if it's too bad, I'll replace out.

[Baby Spice]

You may be right about bunnylover.

except for the part where we roleblocked her last night and she still claims an action that worked

kthxbie

LA next two days

Would that be the last night where it appears that the targeting was all over the place?

What I mean is are you sure you RB'ed Bunnylover and not someone else.

Come to think of it, Beefster, did you target me yesterday or last night because you haven't actually said and it seems that it was only the night actions that went askew