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[Empking]

Vote Count 20

Cobblerfone
Pine
Nocmen
TheMask
Quilford
Surye
jilynne1991
vezokprika
earworm
C-Worl
PeregrineV
Ironhead
sorasgoof

Not Voting: Cobblerfone, Pine, Nocmen, TheMask, Quilford, Surye, jilynne1991, vezokprika, earworm, C-Worl, PeregrineV, Ironhead, sorasgoof

[Ironhead]

I think that at least one scum was on the DK wagon after he role-claimed. While I think his lynch was justified based on his poor play in the last few pages -- and therefore there would be town on that wagon as well -- it would also be an easy mark for scum, as they knew he wasn't scum and therefore they could assume he was the bodyguard, as claimed.

Those who joined the wagon after his role-claim include C-Worl, me, and earworm, with DK being the hammer on his own wagon. I know I am not scum; out of C-Worl and earworm, I believe earworm to be the scummier. His vote switch to DK was under-justified (Post #425: "Look at those last two posts of his. Yeah.") and seemed strongly scum-motivated; he hasn't responded to my challenge to this from post #433 to defend his questionable vote-switch.

VOTE: EARWORM

[Cobblerfone]

Okay, Ironhead is naming names on the wagon to create a safety-net lynchpool and it reminds me even more of me from Cthulu Speed Mafia than Nocmen's comment. The difference being that Ironhead includes himself among the suspicious.

VOTE: Ironhead

[earworm]

Anybody have any clue why there's only two kills? There should be three.

As for why I thought DK was scum, his posts smelt like flailing scum. One especially felt like a scum claim to me. ("Okay, I take it back, I am not pro-town, geez. o.o") I was wrong.

Cobblerfone on the other hand is still scum.

VOTE: Cobblerfone

[vezokpiraka]

unvote
vote Bobblerfone

[Surye]

Okay, Ironhead is naming names on the wagon to create a safety-net lynchpool and it reminds me even more of me from Cthulu Speed Mafia than Nocmen's comment. The difference being that Ironhead includes himself among the suspicious.

VOTE: Ironhead

I disagree, other than DK was bodyguard, we have no real information to confirm D1 thoughts, thanks to lack of night flips. I think wagon analysis is the strongest tool we have today. And even if it is not, I do NOT find it scummy he is using it, as it feels like genuine scum hunting.

Though I don't agree with the earworm vote. C-Worl is muuuuch better.

VOTE: C-Worl

[Pine]

Earworm's post pondering kills sounds like his own kill didn't go through.

The SK is also a roleblocker, earworm. Could also be that the Mafia hit their traitor.

Ironhead's vote on Earworm MIGHT be him trying to get out in front of being near the end of the DK wagon, but I think Earworm more likely.

[Pine]

Vote: Earworm

[Cobblerfone]

Anybody have any clue why there's only two kills? There should be three.

There's any number of reasons, double kills, triple kill + hider, two kills plus the Serial Killer getting hit, double kill + hider + SK got hit, SK dies + SK's target, (thinking up these possible scenarios are fun) etc.

It's part of what makes the nightkills even trickier. Heck, for all we know the mafia or Serial Killer are dead. We could even be down to just one mafia and wouldn't know it until tomorrow. This game is going to be nuts.

The SK is also a roleblocker,

I forgot about that. Hmm... I'm going to go with null.

[Pine]

Cobbler's deductive reasoning about scenarios with two kills strikes me as Townie. As previously stated, Earworm's blunt surprise at the lack of a kill without thinking it through strikes me as scummy/viggy (as in he had a kill that failed).

[earworm]

Barking up the wrong tree Pine. (pun not intended) no killing role here. I was asking in case anyone had any info on the matter. That's all.

[Surye]

Okay, Ironhead is naming names on the wagon to create a safety-net lynchpool and it reminds me even more of me from Cthulu Speed Mafia than Nocmen's comment. The difference being that Ironhead includes himself among the suspicious.

VOTE: Ironhead

If Ironhead hadn't posted that, who would you have suspected or voted when the day started, based on the information already there?

[Cobblerfone]

[qoute="Surye"]If Ironhead hadn't posted that, who would you have suspected or voted when the day started, based on the information already there?[/quote]

I would be voting Nocmen.

[Surye]

Been reading some more, and I think the more interesting players were OFF the wagon. Anyone who took the DK claim for granted strike me as knowing scum. DK's claim was executed in a flurry of WTFs, and doubting it, for any amount of time, was a town move. You know who didn't second guess it? Like they knew it was true already?

UNVOTE: VOTE: PeregrineV

And wredfar was not much better in that player slot. ISO #2 is the wishy washiest of posts. There's not much else to go on with either player in the slot, but I think it cannot be ignored.

[Nocmen]

Vote: earworm

That post does nothing but add suspicion I already had on him

[Cobblerfone]

Fine, maybe limiting yourself to part of a bandwagon is just bad instead of scummy. And since Ironhead was a townread yesterday I'll unvote.

UNVOTE: Ironhead

And since earworm was suspicious yesterday and today.

VOTE: earworm

Those who joined the wagon after his role-claim include C-Worl, me, and earworm, with DK being the hammer on his own wagon.

It should also be noted that many people, including Sathoris, Vezok, and me were offering to hammer. Your list omitted people that basically fit your description, and that's something that bugs me. Especially since as far as I know, the "one scum" you believe to be on the wagon MIGHT already be dead.

[Ironhead]

Point taken. I didn't scan the last couple of pages too closely and only looked for highlighted votes, as those were the people who put their vote where their mouth was.

[sorasgoof]

I'll have to reread soon. As of right now, though, I think C-Worl is town. Also, I'm leaning town on Ironhead and Surye. I don't recall the case on Cobblerfone, so I'll have to catch up on that. Based on post 483, though, he's leaning slightly townie.

Don't like Vezok's vote post. ...just a vote. No thoughts on anything else? Great.

One question for C-Worl, though. What did you think of CMAR/Shadow yesterday?

[The Mask]

Vote: Earworm

[Pine]

Vote: Earworm

...and? Is there a point to that post, or just trying to look busy?

[The Mask]

Silly me.

vote: earworm

let's start putting votes down this time, jily. I'm not saying to vote earworm, but show where you stand for the sake of future reading.

[Nocmen]

I'll have to reread soon. As of right now, though, I think C-Worl is town. Also, I'm leaning town on Ironhead and Surye. I don't recall the case on Cobblerfone, so I'll have to catch up on that. Based on post 483, though, he's leaning slightly townie.

Don't like Vezok's vote post. ...just a vote. No thoughts on anything else? Great.

Why does 483 make you think of Cobbler as slightly town?

I agree with vezok though, and extend the same to The Mask, having done the same. And what's curious is the Pine quote. That just seems like something's off to me.

[Pine]

It appears that Mask was trying to sheep m vote and fucked it up.

[Surye]

It appears that Mask was trying to sheep m vote and fucked it up.

That is a bizarre way to sheep a vote, why would a quote even be involved.

[Quilford]

Mod: please replace me.

Large games are too much for me to handle.