Most of Zepher's 1105 is good. Still don't like his response to Pine's case.
MrZepher wrote:... I don't know what to say about this. On the one hand, adherence to the site rules is noble and all. But on the other, you just said that you can ignore some cases just because the evidence comes from a certain source. I do not like that defence at all.
I have no way of knowing what other people say are coming from ongoing games.
I usually assume they're abiding by some sort of similar moral code or something. Not to be a white knight or anything lol.
I'm just saying, when Pine said hey, you lied, your response wasn't to say it wasn't scummy, or to defend yourself at all. Instead, you said that it didn't matter if you lied because it had to do with an ongoing game. I do not think that it is really a valid defense, as much as you are trying to obey the ongoing game rules.
MrZepher wrote:I've sort of claimed if you've read my posts day 3.
Right. You said to vig you.
Maxous wrote:Why do you think NS is mafia anyway? I think I missed it.
Are you kidding? NS has had no useful content all game.
His first votes were given with very poor reasoning.
His first real suspicion occurs on Day 3 with "I think Pine is trying too hard (and therefore scum). I think Mastin is ....Mastin, and therefore unreadable."
He then says "Just, you know, hypothetically: Does anyone see a potential Pine/Mastin scumteam here? I mean, besides me?" and then when asked to explain what evidence, "I didn't say they were. I just put out the idea as a hypothetical. I have seen scumteams argue like this." He is trying to make accusations without having the accusations associated with him. He later brings this up again.
From there he decided to tunnel on Pine, which would be OK, except that the only evidence he ever mentioned was "trying too hard", and when people ask for reasons, he is wholly uncooperative with the town.
And that's really all of the content he has.
In addition, you had an argument against him involving DK's interaction with him.
Maxous wrote:Okay, but why only now? NS has been doing this the whole game.
Did you have suspicion on NS in the earlier day periods?
That is a good question. In my case, I decided to wait to look at him because of the possibility of the cop investigation, combined with the fact that there has to be at least one other scum. This meant that there should be a better lynch candidate. However, today I felt that it has waited long enough, and looking at him causes me to see massive scumtells. I'm not sure if we should wait to lynch him in favor of another person or not though, since that same argument still applies.
Maxous wrote:Mr. Zepher - how do you go from finding somebody to be likely scum on Day 1 to having a gut town read at the start of Day 4 when you are not paying attention to him?
Furthermore why did you have a gut town read on him at the start of Day 4 when you were paying attention to his posts late Day 3? - his ISO was exactly the same as it is now and it would'nt of taken that long to check.
Also, who is "we" in the "we've discussed suspicions of him throughout the game".
Oh hello! Upon an iso of Zepher, I see what you are talking about. This could be scum Zepher going back and forth on a buddy, or suddenly realizing that there is an easy mislynch. On the other hand, this could be town Zepher legitimately forgetting about a lurking player. Only adds slight scumpoints to Zepher because of the last possibility.
Not as long as I was thinking it might be.
Lurking scum