Cultural Revolution is Over!

[Shamrock]

Non-Capitalist Random Vote: SOS

[Shamrock]

I will vote

Shamrock

for clearly being Irish.

What nonsense! I am a loyal follower of the government; long live Mao Zedong!

[Shamrock]

So some of you actually have posting restrictions in your roles where you have to post a certain Mao/Communist quote every day? I don't have a particular quote to say, I was just having fun with the restriction that was apparently given to all of us with today's day scene.

Knowing that there are restrictions on some people is interesting, but not particularly helpful, especially since we don't know whether the scum is in support of or a rebellion against our great and beloved leader Mao Zedong.

VM, I guess "Non-Capitalist" counts as enough of a grovel

Anyway, just because it interests me and to hopefully help get the ball rolling, here's a list of all apparent post restrictions thus far:

1. Cogito Ergo Sum* - "Long live Chairman Mao, the Great Helmsman!" and/or "Let us go forth and slay all that oppose us!"
2. TSAGod* -
3. Fritzler* - "The Chairman wrote:"Classes struggle, some classes triumph, others are eliminated!""
4. Twomz* "The Communist Manafesto shall become the new Bible for all the Earth!" (possibly?)
5. chamber * - "Down with Soviet revisionism!"
6. Coron *
7.Glork* - "Follow Mao Zedong Thought!"
8. mlaker
9. Y* - "We stand for self-reliance!"
10. PookyTheMagicalBear * - "Smash the capitalist roaders!"
11. SOS*
12. LoudMouthLee - "Down with capitalist roaders!"
13. Vismaior* - "Follow Mao Zedong Thought!"
14. BabyJesus* - "Inspire the struggle of revolutionary people!"
15. Yosarian2* - one of the others, unknown
16. Ameliaslay* - "Down with petty-bourgeois fanaticism!"
17. Tamuz* - "Chairman Mao is the red sun in our hearts!"
18. igota75*
19. thedocsalive*
20. The Unwritten *
21. Pug89 * - "Let new socialistic culture establish on every field!"
22. mystery meat of doom*
23. Shamrock*
24. feuerdrache*
25. argos_kos*
26. Bacde
27. Vaughn*
28. Thok* - "The enemy will not perish of himself!"

There's a couple other things people said that I could have interpreted as post restrictions but that I'm not 100% sure of.

Some of those people also haven't posted yet.

[Shamrock]

That is quite possible. It is also possible that I misinterpreted things that people just said for the fun of it as actual posting restrictions.

[Shamrock]

Yet to post:

Coron
igota75
argos_kos
Vaughn

[Shamrock]

Updated post restriction list:

1. Cogito Ergo Sum* - "Long live Chairman Mao, the Great Helmsman!" and/or "Let us go forth and slay all that oppose us!"
2. TSAGod* -
3. Fritzler* - "The Chairman wrote:"Classes struggle, some classes triumph, others are eliminated!""
4. Twomz*
5. chamber * - "Down with Soviet revisionism!"
6. Coron *
7.Glork* - "Follow Mao Zedong Thought!"
8. mlaker - "Battle the five Black Elements!" (?)
9. Y* - "We stand for self-reliance!"
10. PookyTheMagicalBear * - "Smash the capitalist roaders!"
11. SOS*
12. LoudMouthLee - "Down with capitalist roaders!"
13. Vismaior* - "Follow Mao Zedong Thought!"
14. BabyJesus* - "Inspire the struggle of revolutionary people!"
15. Yosarian2* - one of the others, unknown
16. Ameliaslay* - "Down with petty-bourgeois fanaticism!"
17. Tamuz* - "Chairman Mao is the red sun in our hearts!"
18. igota75*
19. thedocsalive*
20. The Unwritten * - "A hand that can hold a hammer can also hold a slide rule!" and something else unknown
21. Pug89 * - "Let new socialistic culture establish on every field!"
22. mystery meat of doom*
23. Shamrock*
24. feuerdrache* - "Down to the countryside to receive education from middle and poor peasants!"
25. argos_kos*
26. Bacde
27. Vaughn* - "Criticize the ideology of the bourgeoisie!"
28. Thok* - "The enemy will not perish of himself!"

[Shamrock]

rightio.

[Shamrock]

Yeah, but we don't know

what if anything

the post restrictions symbolize and it's not as if the mafia can't make this list on their own.

[Shamrock]

It can't hurt, in any case.

[Shamrock]

EBWOP: What I mean is that they may have some significance, in which case it's good to keep track of them, or they might be simple flavor that's useless, in which case we've lost nothing by keeping track of them anyway except for a bit of effort.

[Shamrock]

It wasn't clear if that was a restriction or just you having fun with the flavor.

[Shamrock]

Yeah, I was wondering about that too.

[Shamrock]

Why does everyone like to pick on twomz?

This is the third game now that Twomz under heavy fire from you bandwagoners.

Despicable I say, because

he more than often (75%) turns out to be a townie.

Am i the only one who thinks Twomz hasn't committed any serious offenses? Sure he posts scummy, but he's obviously a vet so he knows what he's doing, despite how he sounds.

FOS: Vaughn

for bad logic

Whether or not he was scum in other games has no effect on the probability of his being scum in this game.

[Shamrock]

As for accusing me of craplogic and irrevelant facts, It's called

metagaming

, and it's just as viable a skill as post by post analysis. I don't want to seem like I'm trying to save Twomz from a lynch, just that I think the town needs to reconsider Twomz because he's just the way he is.

Valid metagaming: using someone's playing style in other games to determine their role in this game.

Invalid metagaming: attempting to use someone's percentage of scum/town in other games to determine their role in this game, when the percentage of scum/town in other games has

absolutely no bearing

on their role in this game.

The latter of the two is what I was complaining about. Not that I'm particularly suspicious of Twomz, but I think the logic you're using to defend him is shaky.

[Shamrock]

There's more than just me without a post restriction.

[Shamrock]

Well, since I haven't posted here in a while...

I don't see the point in doing a no-lynch because we don't actually gain any information that way. As I don't see a better case and I can't find anyone else who I think is particularly scummy, I'm willing to go along with the Bacde bandwagon for today.

Unvote

(was I voting?)

Vote: Bacde

[Shamrock]

Wait, why am I being voted for?

I haven't been paying much attention to this game (as if you couldn't tell).

[Shamrock]

Oh, I voted for Bacde because day 1 was taking far too long and I want the game to move.

I'll do the same for Twomz.

Unvote, Vote Twomz

[Shamrock]

Unvote, Vote Glork

Also, we need to

prod Coron and argos_kos.

[Shamrock]

You know, I should probably clarify.

I'm a Chinese Peasant too, so I believe Twomz because he specifically stated his role using the same name as mine.

[Shamrock]

Vote: BabyJesus

for trying to use stupid peer pressure on me yesterday. Bandwagons should have reasoning behind them. As I said before, I think we were lucky with mlaker.

Well, he was an SK, he didn't have connections with anyone. If there were scum on his bandwagon, they probably thought he was town.

[Shamrock]

Tamuz, you need to change your sig to match Twomz's also.

And why are we assuming there's 6 mafia again?

[Shamrock]

It sure didn't sound like you were giving an example. It sounded like you were correcting because you know what the actual number is.

Vote: The Unwritten

[Shamrock]

What was the line?

[Shamrock]

Unvote

I think there's still a possibility, but I doubt he's scum now.

[Shamrock]

Vote: Fritzler

[Shamrock]

[Shamrock]

FOS: thedocsalive

, why are you trying to create a new bandwagon instead of testing our cop?

[Shamrock]

Thedocsalive is the play tommorow.

If Fritzler turns up scum (which it looks like he will) I agree we need to look at doc.

[Shamrock]

I also think that knowing this game is so big and will last so long (And how badly people want days to end), scum wouldn't even be on all those bandwagons (This is without mentioning that the two of them were pro-town). Why not let the town itself bandwagon each other, make them suspect their own and start acting in the late game?

Furthermore, I don't think a mafia would draw so much attention to himself in the way I did with Bacde (By the way, half of that bandwagon was because of what I said, not me following some one else).

YAY MASSIVE WIFOM!

Vote: Y

[Shamrock]

I can't stand people trying to use WIFOM instead of actually making points. How is what he said not WIFOM?

[Shamrock]

I guess we'll revisit Y tomorrow.

Unvote, Vote pug89

[Shamrock]

How come everyone forgot about Y all of a sudden?

[Shamrock]

I'd prefer a Y lynch to either BJ or SOS.

Vote: Y

[Shamrock]

Unvote; Vote BJ

[Shamrock]

While I'd still prefer a Y lynch, I think BJ is a better choice than SOS.

[Shamrock]

Baby Jesus 3 : (SOS, Pooky, LML)
BabyJesus 1 : (Shamrock)

[Shamrock]

I just didn't think SOS was scum. I guess my instincts were wrong.

And yes, I did claim Chinese Peasant back then, but my role has changed (slightly). That's all I'll say for now, though.

[Shamrock]

Hmm, interesting. Shamrock -- did you have any flavor beyond being a "Peasant"?

No.

Again, I'm not willing to reveal in what manner my role was changed just yet.

[Shamrock]

Should I claim it?

[Shamrock]

On night 2, I was targetted for recruitment by one of the Red Guard groups. I was given the option of accepting or declining. I declined, but I was called a fool and forced to join anyway.

However, apparently declining affected what happened as a result.

I am a Red Guard, but I still win with the town. No, I do not know who the other Red Guards are (obviously, I did not know SOS was a Red Guard), and I do not know for sure whether I am a Yunan or Elite.

However, thinking about this with the new information we have now...

If we assume that the Yunan guards kill on odd nights and recruit on even nights, and vice versa for the Elites, that would mean I was recruited by the Yunans and SOS was my recruiter. This is, of course, all hypothetical as we don't know for sure that that's the case (and it also doesn't account for the N1 kill, which isn't specified as being done by Yunans or Elites).

By the way, there's a special mechanic for how the Red Guards work. Every night, I submit someone I want to see die (and I assume all the other Red Guards do this as well). The leader of the Red Guard gets to choose between these submissions for a kill. I was asked for a submission by the mod on night 3, but I didn't send one. I was not, however, asked for a submission on night 4, which would seem to conform with our theory on Yunans recruiting on evens/killing on odds.

I believe there may be another player in the same situation as me (ie. declined a recruit from a Red Guard) due to something he/she said, but I won't call them out on it at this time.

[Shamrock]

Because I don't know if they want to reveal themselves or not.

[Shamrock]

Oh, I forgot

Vote: Y

[Shamrock]

Well, I just didn't send a choice night 3 when I was asked to and the mod didn't seem to object to my not sending one.

[Shamrock]

if you declined, why is it you still submit names....

pretty sure we need to lynch him...

I think this is because the other Red Guard don't know (or didn't know, until now) that I am in fact pro-town, so I was given the ability in order to fit in with them.

[Shamrock]

If you've been recruited by SOS then obv you should be Yunan considering that HE is Yunan.

That's the thing. I DON'T know whether I was recruited by SOS or not.

I'm not sure what to think about the rest of his claim though. I'm more on the disbelief side. It was very black+white back then. If someone refused, they'd be beat senseless, or killed.

Maybe I didn't make the flavor clear, I think it's more that I wanted to refuse but I was forced to join up anyway, but I'm still loyal to the town even though I was pressured into joining the Red Guard so I still win with the town.

[Shamrock]

I already claimed Chinese Peasant (vanilla townie) way back when on day 1.

[Shamrock]

You know, looking back over at SOS's first post, he could very well have been trying to fake not having a restriction.

"We have the Marxist-Leninist weapon of criticism and self-criticism!"

or even:

"SOS is the pwn, and is sexy above everyone else".

I wish I had a posting restriction like that

oh well.

hi

That first line might have been his actual post restriction, but he could have been trying to mask it by joking about it as if it were false.

[Shamrock]

why is shamrock not yet....

Because I'm not scum.

[Shamrock]

But you claimed scum.

I'm not anti-town.

[Shamrock]

All the mod told me is that I win with the town. I assume that means the scum would not win in that situation.

[Shamrock]

I'll ask the mod for clarification.

[Shamrock]

Yup, that's who I thought it was.

[Shamrock]

Let's just lynch Y for today, kay?

[Shamrock]

Say we have 5 people left. Two scum, two town, you. What happens?

Le mod has informed me that I count as town in this scenario.

[Shamrock]

Do you still have the scum win condition?

No.

And do you turn back to townies when the recruiter's ?

If SOS was in fact my recruiter, the answer is obviously no.

[Shamrock]

We went over this day 2. Nice selective amnesia, scumbag!

[Shamrock]

I think that would be rather stupid of him. There may well be other unrecruitable roles.

[Shamrock]

But then why did no one die night 1?

[Shamrock]

FOS: Viper

[Shamrock]

Lamenting the night = a scum tell.

[Shamrock]

Has your child/children been posting?

[Shamrock]

Vote: Viper

I'm getting insanely scummy vibes here. Especially his overdefensiveness from a BJ vote.

[Shamrock]

Unvote

, I believe viper for now.

[Shamrock]

Why do you want chamber's result so badly?

[Shamrock]

Why are we lynching Yosarian?

I like a Pooky lynch better from what's been said.

Vote: Pooky

[Shamrock]

True.

Unvote