Succession Mafia II: OVER!

[Magister Ludi]

Actually, batt brings up an interesting point about ooba and the word track. Its not much, but any hint of inside information should definently be looked over.

Cobble: "Welp, meeting apparently didn't work."

What do you mean about meeting? (If its something you think should stay hidden, stay quiet. But you've claimed unrecruitable, so any information you give us can only help town and come from a town point of view.)

[Cobblerfone]

What do you mean about meeting?

It means either no one else showed up at #33 or we just can't talk to each other.

[Magister Ludi]

Well, maybe we should ask people to confirm whether or not they were at 33 (the night club/lounge) last night. (note, not were they were, just whether or not visit 33)

Would that help you figure anything out cobble?

[Cobblerfone]

I guess? It's not really the most important thing, even to me.

[Yosarian2]

Yos 1331- Hmm. Didn't think about the whole, if we didn't lynch x yesterday we'd lynch him today. Though I disagree with the whole one day closer to losing (a mislynch pushed us, what, a day and a half closer?).

Not really. If we hadn't lynched, there'd be 24 people alive today and likely 4 cult, so if they both recruit every day, in 4 days we could be in a situation where less then half the people left are town. With 23 alive, it's the same number of days. It wouldn't have saved us a day at all. (And yeah, town theoretically *could* win in a situation where we're in the minority, but it's a longshot at *best*).

This isn't like dealing with a mafia. Having more townies alive doesn't really help at all in a cult game. Think about it. In which setup does the town have a better chance; 1 cult leader vs. 8 townies, or 1 cult leader vs. 50 townies? I think the town has a better chance in the first scenario. So it's *always* better to lynch then no lynch.

[ooba]

@Batt

So, I have information for the town, but I'm unsure if they'll trust me with it. I'm pretty sure I know one of Albert's recruits thanks to one of my abilities. Is the town interested in learning more?

Yos

You

should claim his target N1.

Not his ACTION. I don't want his action. I want his target.

Sera
- How are you sure it's a "he"?
- How do you know it's a "track"?

Sera said "I want his target" and I thought he was talking to Kinecic about the player Kinetic has info on. So the question which arose was "How the hell does he know that Kinetic knows the target of the player?" implying track knowledge ..

[ooba]

Well, maybe we should ask people to confirm whether or not they were at 33 (the night club/lounge) last night. (note, not were they were, just whether or not visit 33)

Wait .. How do you know 33 is the night club/lounge?

[Battousai]

That still doesn't make sense

"I know one of abr's recruits due to my ability"
"Tell me who, not your ability"

That doesn't imply track.

[Magister Ludi]

ooba, it says so on the wiki (where you are redirected if you click the map) Is there a reason you didnt bother to figure this information out?

[ooba]

"I know one of abr's recruits (X) due to my ability"

"Tell me who, not your ability"

"Tell me who X targetted, not his ability"

[Fritzler]

VOTE: Yosarian

More to come after the weekend when I am no longer on an iPhone.

[ooba]

ooba, it says so on the wiki (where you are redirected if you click the map) Is there a reason you didnt bother to figure this information out?

Lol. I clicked on the map but never scrolled down - just double clicked again to go to the PNG ..

And I actually speculated on what two locations might be based on the newspaper report in the signup thread to try and understand the map more ..

[Yosarian2]

I really don't get why people are voting me today. Of course, I really didn't get why people were voting for me yesterday either, so I guess that's not a surprise.

[Magister Ludi]

ooba, does now knowing locations change anything?

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Fritzler, can you explain how you spent all of yesterday voting xvart but today voted Yosarian2? I dont think he or xvart makes a likely recruit target night one.

(I'm actually not sure If I think Yos is cult anymore after re-reading.)

[DrippingGoofball]

I wanted to have everyone give a master list of who they would think would have recruited themselves.

Crunch da numberz. Get da outputte.

But that stupid ordered list threw everything off, because the scum could have used that information to recruit, tainting any result we would have gotten with a random speedlynch day 1.

[Magister Ludi]

That plan looks flawed from the start (does It matter which of Kinetic or ABR recruited someone)

So I'm infering right now you have no particular opinion on who may have been recruited night one?

[DrippingGoofball]

Not it's not flawed, it would have been awesome, like SCUMPUTER awesome, I would have been LEGEND.

I would have recruited xvart. Every night. <3

[bvoigt]

"I know one of abr's recruits (X) due to my ability"

"Tell me who, not your ability"

"Tell me who X targetted, not his ability"

But the "not his ability" part would imply that he knew the ability.

That plan looks flawed from the start (does It matter which of Kinetic or ABR recruited someone)

So I'm infering right now you have no particular opinion on who may have been recruited night one?

What makes it flawed? IIRC, you were the one who was most willing to trust speculation on who was recruited.

[Magister Ludi]

How is it helpful if anyone states they think the most likely cult recruiter to recruit them would be (insert Kinetic or ABR)? What good does that infomation tell us? It is useless, much as learning about someones favorite color would be.

I'm not sure what IIRC means or what you're trying to imply with the second sentence. I think you have things completely wrong. If I come to an independent conclusion about who is likely to be recruited based on skill, play the previous day, or whatnot, of course I am going to trust myself.

Thats half the way we are going to find any cult, by analyzing who would make a good recruit based on play/amount of heat recieved the previous day, and then based on how their play differs from day to day (if it does.)

[bvoigt]

Actually, I may have misread that. I thought she was saying, who would you recruit if you were scum? IIRC = If I recall correctly.

[Battousai]

Forgot to do this…

D1 Activity:

bvoigt 43 1.7
Magister Ludi 71 2.9
DrippingGoofball 132 5.5
Yosarian2 88 3.6
ooba 36 1.5
Fritzler 34 1.4
Battousai 49 2.0
Cobblerfone 56 2.3
populartajo 61 2.5
Katsuki 27 1.1
Herodotus 52 2.1
ThAdmiral 50 2.0
Seraphim 17 .7
Nobody Special 40 1.6
Chronopie 27 1.1
Andrius 19 3.8
Porochaz 62 2.5
Lady Lambdadelta 81 7.3
xvart 54 2.2
Flameaxe 48 2.0
Bunnylover 18 .7
Zdenek 27 1.1
Tanarin 19 .7
springlullaby 35 1.4

Total posts: 1146
Avg: 47.7
Posts per day avg: 2.2

Game Start May 22, for Lady June 4th, for Andrius June 10th, ended June 15th. 24 days total, 11 days total, 5 days total

Below 1 posts per day:
Tanarin
Bunnylover
Seraphim

Between 1.3 and 1 posts per day:
Zdenek
Katsuki

Accidentally left Chrono on, but removing him now would make me redo all the averages.

Still surprised at the Katsuki average. Normal playstyle that I've seen comes off as pretty talkative.
Reading Bunnylover's posts, it seems he/she doesn't know how to play cult games like this- I really don't know why he/she joined.

I'll post more in a bit, got plans I gotta get ready for.

[ThAdmiral]

ThAd 1324- Please tell me, in those games you looked up, how many of them was it known that there were no scum and only cult? 0? That's what I thought... Also odd doesn't mean cult recruit. It just means different. Are you going to take a stand on me one way or another, or are you going to keep being wishy-washy? If wishy-washy then move on to someone you feel is scum.

1. I said I didn't think they implied anything.
2. I agree with you that "odd" is a weak word. I actually don't like it either and I regret using it. In this instance I mean "scummy", or "stupid" at best.

I prefer Yosarian didn't full claim. There is no real reason to do so (even when being lynched, If you're town it only helps the cults) I actually also don't think he was recruited night one, and that goes for xvart as well. People with an absolute ton of pressure on them day one are not very attractive targets.

This is a good point.

Is the case against Yos that he targetted someone last night therefore he must be scum? Admittedly his defense is a bit shit what with the soft-claiming unrecruitable, but I don't see a reason to vote him based on the fact that he targeted someone alone.

Also I might as well say that I was blocked last night. Apparently I didn't go out on to the streets because of fear of violence. My character is such a coward!

[Battousai]

Thad-

1) Which is my point. [Putting forth something and saying it doesn't imply anything] is like pushing the spotlight on me, without putting forth a case in which you believe I am scum (your vote on me is, I agree with the wagon, which is just Ludi voting for reasons for yesterday)

2) Again, that's wishy-washy. Scummy is indictive, well scum and stupid is indictive of town.

I still believe your vote on me is very weak. You give no reasons except you agree with the wagon (what wagon, and what parts of it, spelled out, do you agree with?). I also believe that you've been doing this all game, IIRC. You don't really take too many stands. The whole top 3 scum list thing made you look like you are contributing, but you actually weren't (and were called out on it by Tajo? I believe).

I want you to start making stands on why people are scummy. Start with me if you must, but I need more from you.

Also, I finished my last thought on Katsuki. I looked at the first game I see Katsuki in (on going, but meta search will turn it up). The game has been 9 rl days and he has 42 posts (4.6 posts per day). He has not been limited, but has selectively avoiding this game in favor of at least one other.

FoS: Katsuki

Unvote: Ooba

Vote: ThAdmiral

[Cobblerfone]

VOTE: ThAdmiral

Yesterday's reasons plus Battousai's reasons plus he seems to be trying too hard to be friendly:

Also I might as well say that I was blocked last night. Apparently I didn't go out on to the streets because of fear of violence. My character is such a coward!

[Porochaz]

vote DGB