Newbie 1120 - The Scum in Sherlock (Over!)

[Thor665]

For the same reason you came to your conclusion that they're buddies, but then I fed it through one level of paranoia and common sense and came out the other side with an opposite read.
Here;

They are obv. obv. buddies because, lol, look how much Scumhunter is blatant defending his "buddy, lol, lol, awesome!
However, Scumhunter has played with me once before, and I don't think he'd risk pulling a move like that with a shark like me in the water hanging out and going 'graagh, graaagh' like a shark does.
Therefore, if he's scum, he's actually trying to get town points and make me look less functional, by blatant defending a townie I want to lynch all while going 'snicker, snicker, Thor's not even voting for town, lulz!'

Meanwhile, if cloud is scum, scumbuddy Scumhunter is probably smart enough to be like 'caught by Thor Day 1 - *sigh* nice knownin' ya, little buddy!'
And then promptly hopping on a bus and riding it with a smile all the way downtown to the lynchin' tree.

Therefore - Scumhunter and cloud are highly unlikely to be buddies.

[Hellhound1]

I kind of understand, but you switched your vote from CO to Scum, so if Scum flips town, that sets up CO as scum, right? So, as he's my number one scum suspect and my vote, IF we have a cop, can i ask politely for him to be watched overnight?
If he turns out town the next day, then obviously i was wrong, however if he turns out scum that'd prove you were right.

Just a thought

<-- see that CO? Just a thought k?

[Hellhound1]

Thats if Scum flips town, if he flips scum then by your thinking, thor, hes town anyway..

[Thor665]

I kind of understand, but you switched your vote from CO to Scum, so if Scum flips town, that sets up CO as scum, right?

No, CO is scummy independent of Scumhunter. Scumhunter flipping town does not affect my read on CO in any way though I *might* look at his CO=town case again. Scumhunter being town will not prove CO scum in any meaningful way.

[Hellhound1]

Therefore - Scumhunter and cloud are highly unlikely to be buddies.

Scumhunter being town will not prove CO scum in any meaningful way.

Ahh k. Ill assume a gut feeling

[Thor665]

I don't even know what you're saying there.

Quote 1: They are not both scum.
Quote 2: One being town does not prove the other is scum.

I personally think one is scum, but it's not an absolute and I wouldn't want to push the lynch on that basis as it would be a terrible case. I'd push the case based on the independent reasons I found them scummy.

[Hellhound1]

Im saying that i linked your posts.
I may have flipped up the second quote though, it doesnt quite work the way i wanted it to.

Basically im trying to confirm that you think that one is scum, and IF you turn out to be wrong, would you then think the other was scum?

[Scumhunter]

Thor, if cloud and I are unlikely to be scum buddies, and you have such a strong scum read on cloud, why the fuck are you voting me? Something does not compute here.

[Scumhunter]

I don't even know what you're saying there.

Quote 1: They are not both scum.
Quote 2: One being town does not prove the other is scum.

I personally think one is scum, but it's not an absolute and I wouldn't want to push the lynch on that basis as it would be a terrible case. I'd push the case based on the independent reasons I found them scummy.

Explain why you think one of me/cloud is scum. YOUR CASE ON CLOUD IS STILL CRAP.

How can you possibly be confident of a statement "one of SH/cloud" is scum when there are 2 slots who have contributed literally zilch to this point. Your logic and critical thinking is way way way way off.

Can we lynch Thor already......Am I going crazy here?

[hitogoroshi]

Vote Count #7

cloudocean:

Thor665

, Hellhound1, ninjacheese (L-3)

Thor665:

Scumhunter

, cloudocean

Awesoma:

hiplop

startransmisison:

Scumhunter

Scumhunter:

Thor665

Not Voting:

startransmission, Swag136, Awesoma

Deadline is on July 6th, 2011, at 2PM Central Time.

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

***

My prod for Swag136 is still in my outbox. If he doesn't pick it up by the time I'm back on the computer tonight, I'll replace him.

[Thor665]

Thor, if cloud and I are unlikely to be scum buddies, and you have such a strong scum read on cloud, why the Smurf are you voting me? Something does not compute here.

Because it amused me. Besides, you keep saying my read on cloud is terrible, so probably it's super awesome that I'm moving off him, yeah?

Explain why you think one of me/cloud is scum. YOUR CASE ON CLOUD IS STILL SMURF.

I find you both very scummy and I'm too full of myself to believe I'm wrong twice. My case is actually much more that you aren't scumbuddies, hence you can't both be scum - but I do believe one of you is.

How can you possibly be confident of a statement "one of SH/cloud" is scum when there are 2 slots who have contributed literally zilch to this point. Your logic and critical thinking is way way way way off.

That's hillarious considering your next comment.

Can we lynch Thor already......Am I going crazy here?

Considering you're not even voting me and you think it's crazy to believe I spotted scum when two people haven't posted yet - yes.

[Awesoma]

Since I am being bandwagoned, I will reveal my role. I am a vanilla Townie. Looks like im going to be dead tonight.

[Thor665]

How many people do you think are voting you right now?

[Awesoma]

How many people do you think are voting you right now?

None are, however a few pages ago someone suggested you to join the bandwagon on me. I dont want this to go any further, and YOU yourself mentioned that Id be your second choice as scum. And cloud is pointing too many fingers. So is scumhunter.

[Thor665]

When did I mention you'd be my second choice as scum?
While you're at it - who do you think is scum? Because you're voting nobody, and I'm pretty sure he's town and also unlynchable.

[Scumhunter]

Thor, you still haven't explained why one of cloud/me has to be scum other than because "you say so". You are using no logic whatsoever its incredibly infuriating.

[Thor665]

I'm saying you're my two top scumspects and I expect one of you is scum but have specifically ruled out both of you being scum together.
As I've already explained. I'm actually ruling you out as a pair, not making some strange pairing except insomuch as you're my two, separate, top suspects.
Get it now?

[Thor665]

Oh, and "I say so" is my other reason.

[Hellhound1]

Meh, i think lynching scumhunter would be a bad idea. I still think cloud is scummier, and although my second choice is Scum, im starting to change my mind.
If we lynch him, i have a bad feeling we'll be lynching town.

[Scumhunter]

Well, you know what...cloud hasn't posted anything since Friday. I have been defending him mostly because the case on him is making me feel majorly MEH.

But yea...Hey cloud, I'm the only reason you haven't been lynched yet...you want to participate now, before I get tired of defending you?

Hell, why am I your second choice?

I still don't like how starttransmission + swag have posted literally nothing.

[Hellhound1]

You're my second choice because you've been defending cloud, even though there was no reason to, you just seemed to jump in and defend him.
Swag hasnt posted and i think is being replaced later, and starttransmission, well i dunno.
I don't like how awesoma revealed her role so quickly, 1) she was under very little pressure and 2)i dont believe her, im starting to think awesoma

may be

scum (Or a town power role and doesnt want the attention)
I'd like to see who swag's replacement is and question them.

[Awesoma]

VOTE: Cloudocean

You're my second choice because you've been defending cloud, even though there was no reason to, you just seemed to jump in and defend him.
Swag hasnt posted and i think is being replaced later, and starttransmission, well i dunno.
I don't like how awesoma revealed her role so quickly, 1) she was under very little pressure and 2)i dont believe her, im starting to think awesoma

may be

scum (Or a town power role and doesnt want the attention)
I'd like to see who swag's replacement is and question them.

While 7 pages in is VERY early for the game, I dont think we should put anyone truly down yet until those 2 post. In addition, cloud needs to be pressured. He hasn't posted since Friday and he is looking scummier because he hasn't posted any points defending himself. Scumhunter was the only one that stepped up to the plate to truly defend cloud in a reliable way, thus protecting him from getting lynched.

Once again,

[Hellhound1]

Yeah but you cant rule real life out of this though. I know ive had problems getting on anything over the weekend.

And i know its early, but i feel like people have already started to read into every meaning of every word.
For example, you seem to collapse under pressure. Although you were against lynching cloud not so long ago, i post a little bit of pressure and you vote him. At least, thats how i see it.
Also, my case against scum is that he jumped into defending cloud without any actual reason, which seems scummy to me. Although now im starting to believe he's town. I still stick with cloud being scum, but i may be switching my views on scum being.. scum, to you being scum.

[Hellhound1]

You bring up a valid point, and I do know that roles are assigned randomly. Since you seem to have a good argument and that other players are starting to look suspicious in a valid way, and not just a mindless voting way, then I withdraw my vote.
UNVOTE: cloudocean

Your response to Scum's post. And Scum hasnt changed his points. Why the vote on cloudocean then?

[Thor665]

I don't like how awesoma revealed her role so quickly, 1) she was under very little pressure and 2)i dont believe her, im starting to think awesoma

may be

scum (Or a town power role and doesnt want the attention)

1. This line of questioning is not a pro-town line of questioning.
2. Awesoma is fairly obvious town.

I still don't like how starttransmission + swag have posted literally nothing.

Swag is replacing out all over.
I haven't bothered to look at starttransmission, but wouldn't surprise me if he's the same. I'm not worried about either right now.

Why do you think my play in the other game we played was "cautious" and yet here is "reckless"
Could you show me a quote of cautious play from Day 1 of the other game to support your read?
I eel like I've been asking you this a lot - since it's a big part of your case on me I would think it would be really helpful to show how cautious I normally am and then show how I'm utterly ridiculous in this game, yeah? I'm trying to help you make a case on me, step it up, chop-chop.

While 7 pages in is VERY early for the game, I dont think we should put anyone truly down yet until those 2 post. In addition, cloud needs to be pressured. He hasn't posted since Friday and he is looking scummier because he hasn't posted any points defending himself. Scumhunter was the only one that stepped up to the plate to truly defend cloud in a reliable way, thus protecting him from getting lynched.

Once again,

You're saying stuff here...but all you're doing is IIoA (information instead of analysis) you're saying what's happened, you're not saying anything about why it has happened or what you think about it.
You're not helping town at all with a post like the above. How about you draw some conclusions - you did a iso analysis of yourself, why not do that for your top 1-2 scumreads and try to get more people voting them once they see how awesoma your case is. Pun intended.

Hellhound is now starting to look pretty town, which makes me feel better about his lips being adhered to my buttocks earlier in the game. That said, I keep feeling like he's barking up totally inconsequential an dincorrect trees. Meh, at least it's scumhunting - which puts him ahead of 50% of the rest of the game already.