Mini 1190: Game over

[Empking]

I totally feel like hammering.
I'm kind of cautious about this vig-claim of Toro's. Couldn't he be a SK or something?

One-Shot

[Twistedspoon]

Is Elfen being replaced or something? I have no idea what happened there

nor do I

I just don't want any role PM phrasing.
Scumhunting should be used, not Role PM technicalities

He's not being replaced, but any more silly colour band tells or wincon tells may result in non-stop carmelldansen punishment :p

[Captain Corporal]

I'm sure SK could claim one-shot Vig and disguise it sneakily somehow.

@Mod: I meant the part about the account deletion or whatever..

[Twistedspoon]

hmm

good point

I'll see what I can do

[Captain Corporal]

Also, I'd like o ask some un-game-related quetions (well, kinda).
1. What is breadcrumbing?
2. What is tunnelling?
3. If, at endgame, there is a SK/Mafia left, or a Vig/Mafia,or something like that, what happens?
Sorry, I'd just like to clarify these, and I couldn't find them on the wiki (although I didn't look very hard)

[SleepyKrew]

1. Leaving clues about your role. Then you can go back and point them out when you claim.
2. Focusing on one player.
3. Most mods would count those as draws, but Spoon may be different.

[Twistedspoon]

I'm not going to answer question 3.

Sorry guys.

[Hoppster]

And now using point

b

together with point

c

, we can logically conclude that if Empking is not a Miller, he must be scum.

How? Well, if he's not a Miller, that means he's not being truthful. But we know that townies are truthful. Therefore he is not a townie. Therefore he is scum.

That was easy, wasn't it?

You really needed a spoilered wall post with logical truth table analysis to provide us with this? When exactly start believing that Toro was scum? From my perspective you and him have been dancing around each other all day with respect to your reads on each other.

Somebody hasn't been reading my posts.

You're suspicious of me as well, which means you've theoretically been (or perhaps should have been) through my ISO as well.

FoS: xvart

Vig yourself tonight.

I agree.

Actually, take out a lurker of your choice.

I kinda agree, but not to the same extent as above.

Mafia One-Shot Vigilante is a normal role. I think it's safer if we tie Toro to a certain specific target, whether that be himself or a lurker. (I'd prefer it to be himself, seeing as lurkers can be replaced.)

Elfen, do you think Toro is the best lynch given that 1) he might just be a PR, 2) if he's Mafia then he can't produce 2 kills, and 3) if he's not town-aligned he'll still want to appear so by striking out in an anti-town direction??

I'm not completely sure that 2 is standard with all mods.

@ Mod: If there were any Mafia PRs in this game, would they be able to carry out both the NK and their own action?

Also, if there were any SKs in this game, would they have a compulsive night-kill?

4. Deadlines and Activity

i) You will be automatically replaced if you receive 3 prods, or 2 prods in the same game day.

^ Is this rule still in effect? Because if so, 1joe60 needs replacing.

Elf being an idiot is a null-tell. Though Panzer, he does seem a bit more VIish than last game, doesn't he?
Anyway, Sundy, you're forgetting that Toto may be scum and that we have a SK as well.
The fact that Elf didn't know the Town Win-Con is highly scummy. I wouldn't put it past him not to entirely read the Role PM though.
So are we sparing Toto?

Whut.

At no point does Elfen say or suggest that he doesn't know the Town Win-Con.

You're also trying very hard to attack Elfen at a time when he is an easy target, but also say that he is null.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: SleepyKrew

[Empking]

Its not the case that lurkers can be replaced. Flakes can be replaced but not lurkers.

[Twistedspoon]

@ Mod: If there were any Mafia PRs in this game, would they be able to carry out both the NK and their own action?

Also, if there were any SKs in this game, would they have a compulsive night-kill?

4. Deadlines and Activity

i) You will be automatically replaced if you receive 3 prods, or 2 prods in the same game day.

^ Is this rule still in effect? Because if so, 1joe60 needs replacing.

I'm not going to answer your first 2 questions

also, I've put up a replacement advert in the replacements queue for joe and elfen

[Hoppster]

Its not the case that lurkers can be replaced. Flakes can be replaced but not lurkers.

I'm fine with a lurker vig provided we tie down Toro to a specific shot.

What are your thoughts on SleepyKrew?

[Empking]

Its not the case that lurkers can be replaced. Flakes can be replaced but not lurkers.

I'm fine with a lurker vig provided we tie down Toro to a specific shot.

But whae if scum has a roleblocker?

What are your thoughts on SleepyKrew?

Leaning scum.

[Thomith]

woah i dont think we should have a L-1 at this stage in the game UNVOTE: for now because i really dont want a hammer on someone untill there is a massivly solid case on them.

@Mod

if we dont use time before the deadline is it rolled over to the next day or just forgotten about?

[Twistedspoon]

@Mod

if we dont use time before the deadline is it rolled over to the next day or just forgotten about?

If no lynch is reached before the deadline then no lynch will occur. Extra time may be provided if replacements take some time or other factors affect the course of the game.

Ending the day early will still cause all subsequent days to have deadlines of 2 weeks. D1 had a deadline of 3 weeks

[Toro]

woah i dont think we should have a L-1 at this stage in the game UNVOTE: for now because i really dont want a hammer on someone untill there is a massivly solid case on them.

@Mod

if we dont use time before the deadline is it rolled over to the next day or just forgotten about?

In case you haven't noticed. People have made a 'massively solid case' on me.

Elf being an idiot is a null-tell. Though Panzer, he does seem a bit more VIish than last game, doesn't he?
Anyway, Sundy, you're forgetting that Toto may be scum

and that we have a SK as well.

The fact that Elf didn't know the Town Win-Con is highly scummy. I wouldn't put it past him not to entirely read the Role PM though.
So are we sparing Toto?

What?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: SleepyKrew

[SleepyKrew]

huh, i thought the mods changed it up every once and a while.

-.- that sucks, i thought it'd be different :/

I read this as him not knowing the wincon.

[SleepyKrew]

Also, I never said Elfen was null. I said him being an idiot was null. Difference.

[SleepyKrew]

Toto, way to failsheep.
I was setup-speculating, saying we have a chance of Totoscum and a separate SK, because Sundy hadn't considered that.
/

[SleepyKrew]

Oh, right. Spoon, not answering those questions is pretty bad :\

[Sundy]

You call the case on you massively solid, Toro? :/

@ Mod: If there were any Mafia PRs in this game, would they be able to carry out both the NK and their own action?

Good point I forgot about Mafia-aligned vig.

Well if the chances of harm being done by 2 kills outweigh the advantage of giving Toro the benefit of the doubt and letting him try and hit scum, then I'll put my vote on Toro. Especially if he considers the case on him solid.

[Empking]

You call the case on you massively solid, Toro? :/

@ Mod: If there were any Mafia PRs in this game, would they be able to carry out both the NK and their own action?

Good point I forgot about Mafia-aligned vig.

Well if the chances of harm being done by 2 kills outweigh the advantage of giving Toro the benefit of the doubt and letting him try and hit scum, then I'll put my vote on Toro. Especially if he considers the case on him solid.

I find the odds of us having a Mafia OSV very low.

[Toro]

It was solid enough to get me to L-1, wouldn't you say so?

[SleepyKrew]

Doesn't admitting case on you is solid = claiming scum?

[Twistedspoon]

Oh, right. Spoon, not answering those questions is pretty bad :\

I can't answer the questions.

You'll see why in the endgame

[SleepyKrew]

You sure this is a Mini Normal?