OPEN 310 - Medical Mafia - TOWN WIN

[Hoppster]

Spoiler: Conclusions from NKs (complicated) Part 1

Key

Sanity* is shorthand for Sanity, but with the player above being a Paranoid Doctor [who thusly RB'd the player].

• Amrun
  
• HellloooNewman
  
• tim_hill1990
  
• DeityKabuto
  
  
• IceGuy
  
  
• jilynne1991
  
  
• Mortatorium
  
• Hoppster
  
• Quilford

tim_hill

Could be Mafia, Normal, Weak, CPR*, Quack* or Naive.

If tim_hill Mafia, Newman could be Normal, Weak*, CPR*, Paranoid, Quack* or Naive.
If tim_hill Mafia, IceGuy could be CPR or Quack. NK would be sent by either tim_hill or jilynne. If sent by tim_hill, Newman is not Paranoid. The NK target was IceGuy.

If tim_hill Normal, Newman is Paranoid.
If tim_hill Normal, IceGuy could be CPR or Quack. NK would be sent by either [other Mafia] or jilynne. The NK target was IceGuy.

If tim_hill Weak, Newman is Paranoid.
If tim_hill Weak, IceGuy could be CPR or Quack. NK would be sent by either [other Mafia] or jilynne. The NK target was IceGuy.

If tim_hill CPR, Newman could be Mafia, Normal, Weak or Paranoid.
If tim_hill CPR, IceGuy is Quack. NK would be sent by either [other Mafia] or jilynne. The NK target would not be IceGuy.

If tim_hill Quack, Newman could be Mafia, Normal, Weak or Paranoid.
If tim_hill Quack, IceGuy is CPR. NK would be sent by either [other Mafia] or jilynne. The NK target was IceGuy.

If tim_hill Naive, Newman could be Mafia, Normal, Weak, CPR*, Paranoid or Quack*.
If tim_hill Naive, IceGuy could be CPR or Quack. NK would be sent by either [other Mafia] or jilynne. The NK target was IceGuy.

Newman

Could be Mafia, Normal, Weak, CPR*, Paranoid, Quack* or Naive.

If Newman Mafia, Amrun could be Normal, Weak*, CPR*, Paranoid, Quack* or Naive.
If Newman Mafia, tim_hill could be CPR, Quack or Naive. NK would be sent by either Newman or jilynne. If sent by Newman, Amrun is not Paranoid. If the NK target was IceGuy, tim_hill is not CPR.

If Newman Normal, Amrun could be Mafia, Weak, CPR*, Paranoid, Quack* or Naive.
If Newman Normal, tim_hill could be Mafia, CPR, Quack or Naive. NK would be sent by either [other Mafia] or jilynne. If the NK target was IceGuy, tim_hill is not CPR.

If Newman Weak, Amrun could be Mafia, Normal, CPR*, Paranoid, Quack* or Naive.
If Newman Weak, tim_hill could be Mafia, CPR, Quack or Naive. If tim_hill is Mafia, Newman is Weak*. NK would be sent by either [other Mafia] or jilynne. If the NK target was IceGuy, tim_hill is not CPR.

If Newman CPR, Amrun is Paranoid.
If Newman CPR, tim_hill could be Mafia or Naive. NK would be sent by either [other Mafia] or jilynne. The NK target was IceGuy.

If Newman Quack, Amrun is Paranoid.
If Newman Quack, tim_hill could be Mafia or Naive. NK would be sent by either [other Mafia] or jilynne. The NK target was IceGuy.

If Newman Naive, Amrun could be Mafia, Normal, Weak, CPR*, Paranoid or Quack*.
If Newman Naive, tim_hill could be Mafia or Quack. NK would be sent by either [other Mafia] or jilynne. The NK target was IceGuy.

Amrun

Could be Mafia, Normal, Weak, CPR*, Paranoid, Quack* or Naive.

If Amrun Mafia, Quilford could be Normal, Weak*, CPR*, Paranoid, Quack* or Naive.
If Amrun Mafia, Newman could be Normal, Weak or Naive. NK would be sent by either Amrun or jilynne.

If Amrun Normal, Quilford could be Mafia, Weak, CPR*, Paranoid, Quack* or Naive.
If Amrun Normal, Newman could be Mafia, Weak or Naive. NK would be sent by either [other Mafia] or jilynne.

If Amrun Weak, Quilford could be Mafia, Normal, CPR*, Paranoid, Quack* or Naive.
If Amrun Weak, Newman could be Mafia, Normal or Naive. If Newman is Mafia, Amrun is Weak*. NK would be sent by either [other Mafia] or jilynne.

If Amrun CPR, Quilford is Paranoid.
If Amrun CPR, Newman could be Mafia, Normal, Weak or Naive. NK would be sent by either [other Mafia] or jilynne.

If Amrun Paranoid, Quilford could be Mafia, Normal, Weak, CPR or Naive.
If Amrun Paranoid, Newman could be Mafia, Normal, Weak, CPR, Quack or Naive. NK would be sent by either [other Mafia] or jilynne.

If Amrun Quack, Quilford is Paranoid.
If Amrun Quack, Newman could be Mafia, Normal, Weak or naive. NK would be sent by either [other Mafia] or jilynne.

I'm not sure if this is a wise use of time.

Basically, the gist of it is that if Player B is Quack/CPR (Player B is not IceGuy or tim_hill), Player A (above Player B) must be Paranoid, and then tim_hill must be Naive or Mafia (I think?).

Everything else is just a tedious series of "if X, then Y" etc.

Might try to get Part 2 up later but I'm not really sure what exactly of value we're getting from this.

[Moratorium]

Moratorium: Is there any reason you ignored my super-awesome post yesterday?

Not sure what this means, are you looking for validation?

[AntB]

VOTE COUNT - 6 Alive - 4 to Lynch

tim_hill1990

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[Moratorium]

UNVOTE:
Conflicting reads on Tim.

Please elaborate.

[Hoppster]

Moratorium: Is there any reason you ignored my super-awesome post yesterday?

Not sure what this means, are you looking for validation?

I just made a super-awesome post pointing out how obvious scum jilynne was, and you didn't comment on it at all.

I'm curious.

Did you not believe I was correct? Why didn't you try to correct me?

[Amrun]

Tim hill, what is the title of your role? What do you believe that role does?

[Moratorium]

Moratorium: Is there any reason you ignored my super-awesome post yesterday?

Not sure what this means, are you looking for validation?

I just made a super-awesome post pointing out how obvious scum jilynne was, and you didn't comment on it at all.

I'm curious.

Did you not believe I was correct? Why didn't you try to correct me?

This was my read on jilynne1990 earlier in the game:

jilynne1991: Every post, especially early on, is either an apology, an expression of confusion, or mild reactions to other people. No votes in any direction this game yet, nothing that I could pin down as aggressive scumhunting. No effort? Signature says 13 and 10+ games, could be a lie to stay low content, but could be the truth and explain it. Leaning scum.

So what kind of comment were you looking for? Which is why I asked, were you looking for some sort of validation? Is it important to you that we be made aware that you were lining up a case on someone that ended up flipping scum?

[tim_hill1990]

Tim hill, what is the title of your role? What do you believe that role does?

Seems like a poorly worded trick question, my role is the ability to protect one person at night.
Due to the mechanics of this particular game I don't know what specific doctor I am.

Doesn't anybody care about this?

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Did I comment on your plan? If I didn't I think we should drop the protection and play as vanilla's from here on out, I think would be easier and less WIFOMY

[Amrun]

So what did you think when DK claimed Paranoid Doctor?

[tim_hill1990]

I thought he was being his usual idiotic self, which as it turns out was about right.

[Hoppster]

jilynne1991: Every post, especially early on, is either an apology, an expression of confusion, or mild reactions to other people. No votes in any direction this game yet, nothing that I could pin down as aggressive scumhunting. No effort? Signature says 13 and 10+ games, could be a lie to stay low content, but could be the truth and explain it. Leaning scum.

So what kind of comment were you looking for? Which is why I asked, were you looking for some sort of validation? Is it important to you that we be made aware that you were lining up a case on someone that ended up flipping scum?

No, you're missing the point completely.

I had a case on jilynne. I was clearly convinced jilynne was scum.

However, you continued to push DK. Is it not of relevance to address why you felt my case on jilynne was inadequate to convince you immediately? Or to even acknowledge my post (obviously I'm not talking about acknowledging it

now

, but I mean at the time)?

[Amrun]

I thought he was being his usual idiotic self, which as it turns out was about right.

Claiming a role that is not possible to be in the game is claiming scum. Just because he wasn't scum doesn't mean it's not a scum claim. Had you ever played with dk before?


Hoppster: what do you hope to achieve by targetting one scummy player? It's 50/50 our quack is already dead, assuming that would resolve first in the first place.

[Hoppster]

Hoppster: what do you hope to achieve by targetting one scummy player? It's 50/50 our quack is already dead, assuming that would resolve first in the first place.

Not sure whether I posted it before, but I changed my mind: the plan doesn't achieve a great deal and is open to a degree of scum interference.

(It didn't involve the Quack Doctor though FWIW.)

[Amrun]

Okay, so that's out? Should we hypodoc again then?

[Moratorium]

jilynne1991: Every post, especially early on, is either an apology, an expression of confusion, or mild reactions to other people. No votes in any direction this game yet, nothing that I could pin down as aggressive scumhunting. No effort? Signature says 13 and 10+ games, could be a lie to stay low content, but could be the truth and explain it. Leaning scum.

So what kind of comment were you looking for? Which is why I asked, were you looking for some sort of validation? Is it important to you that we be made aware that you were lining up a case on someone that ended up flipping scum?

No, you're missing the point completely.

No, I'm really not.

I had a case on jilynne. I was clearly convinced jilynne was scum.

However, you continued to push DK. Is it not of relevance to address why you felt my case on jilynne was inadequate to convince you immediately? Or to even acknowledge my post (obviously I'm not talking about acknowledging it

now

, but I mean at the time)?

You put forth a post, #327, which basically sheeped things that I'd said about jilynne a week previous ("fence-sitting"). The post immediately preceding yours, #326, I'm asking for scumreads from Jilynne because my main beef was her lack of effort and no votes in any direction. Are you somehow insulted that I didn't deem your particular post rehashing the same ideas necessary to respond to? I don't get it.

So again, are you looking to have your opinions publicly validated, or are you trying to stir attention to the fact that you had a case on flipped scum?

[Moratorium]

Okay, so that's out? Should we hypodoc again then?

Two people died last night. One of those may be, but isn't necessarily, the scum nightkill. Meaning there's a potential of three killing roles still remaining.

Mislynch makes 4:1, unlucky hypodoc night, immediate loss.

With mountainous we're at least guaranteed another lynch attempt. Unless we have a specific hypodoc strategy in mind that is +EV (which was why I was looking for the logical exercises Hoppster was putting together, and wouldn't mind him finishing), I'd rather we mountainous.

[Amrun]

I don't mind mountainous here, I guess.

Thoughts on tim hill, Moratorium?

[Moratorium]

Town and answering questions in a reasonable manner. Not much different from D1 Tim.

[Amrun]

So you think posting cases on him in two days can prompt a "you shouldn't lynch someone based off of 2 posts" response and that response is reasonable? Whatever, let's not split hairs.

Well then, who do you think IS scum?

[Moratorium]

Not sure yet. Right now, Hoppster and I are having an interesting conversation, I'd like to see where that goes. And I'd like some elaboration from Quilford on his Tim read changing.

I think Tim is town by read, and Newman is town by lack of counterclaim, so i'm looking at you three right now.

The tone of your posting is changing, Amrun, are you in the same boat as Quilford and leaning away from Tim?

[Amrun]

Whatever gave you the impression I was leaning away from tim?

Quilford has been coasting but hasn't really done anything scummy.

You appear town to me but I don't really like the way jilynne talked about you and I dislike the lack of conviction in some of your reads - still, not willing to lynch here.

Hoppster still feels town.

HN is town - but that nurse clear was quite advantagous because he would be in my lynch pool today otherwise.

So that leaves my lynchpool today between tim and Quilford. Tim is clearly deserving over Quilford, and if I am wrong about that, by tomorrow we have a very good chance of lynching the final scum (whether quilford or someone else as things develop).

[HellloooNewman]

Wild thought. Dunno if we can even do it but...

What if we all targeted ourselves tonight?

[Amrun]

Mod, can we target ourselves?

[AntB]

Self-targeting is not allowed.

[Amrun]

Aw, boo, that would have been kind of cool.

OKAY WE DO MOUNTAINOUS

LET'S LYNCH TIM KTHX