Mini 1180: Game Over

[mastin2]

I am available.
However, Claims are a Common courtesy.
More than that, there's still...oh, ~36 hours (give or take) before my deadline. And because I don't like the TWIE wagon. (Like I said. Willing to hammer, but really don't want to.)

[Secret Project]

Would be the townest thing he's done so far if he self-hammered with the claim.

[Soben]

Although I am ecstatic and overjoyed at the sudden swing of votes towards TWIE I would like to request that no-one instant hammers after TWIE claims, I would appreciate some time to mull over it and get a final list of reads in before night begins. Speaking of which Jill should be back from V/LA soon and if it's not too much trouble I would like her to post an updated list of vig-votes.

[Captain Corporal]

A bit uneasy about this wagon, but I am willing to hammer.

[Ironhead]

I am very uneasy with this wagon as well; entirely because of the way the two hydra hopped on it. WormyKrew is fitting the profile of a scum who pursues the easiest lynch -- especially with his unabashed justification of voting TWIE just to get the day over with. Secret Project is far worse:

Sigh. He's town, I'm telling you... Somebody hurry up and hammer.

Huh? If you think he's town, you are free to hop on the next highest bandwagon (WormyKrew) and persuade the rest of us to join you there. WormyKrew is still one of your suspects, right? So why join the bandwagon of someone you believe to be town, and encourage a hammer as well?

UNVOTE: TWIE
VOTE: WORMYKREW

That puts TWIE at L-2 and WormyKrew at L-4. I am still open to the idea of switching my vote to TWIE if that is what it takes to lynch someone today; but I think that based on this latest interaction we ought to lynch WormyKrew. If he flips scum, I think Secret Project becomes a high-probability scum suspect.

TWIE, if you don't claim in your next post and offer a defense as to why the town ought not lynch you, I will switch my vote back and join the calls for your hammer. Don't construe my vote switch to mean the pressure is off of you.

[wierdalexv]

TWIE, claim NOW.

Who has the vig-votecount? I think I'm getting vigged, so here are my suspects


TheWayItEnds
Elsa von Spielburg
brokenscraps

[DarthYoshi]

I am back. Lynch preferences of the viable wagons is in this order...

WK
Brokenscraps
TWIE

Sort of unnerved with how TWIE became the leading wagon when I think the other cases are stronger. Am also amazed that nobody except maybe Mastin seems interested in lynching Alduskkel, who, with the deadline fad approaching, is suddenly nowhere to be found again. Oh well, he can wait.

Unvote. Vote wormy krew.

[DarthYoshi]

Fast approaching, not fad approaching. Silly iPad auto correct.

[WormyKrew]

I have not seen a RQ that I liked, so I prefer RVs

Highly ironic and somewhat hypocritical.

?

Ear's 23 seems condescending, in the scum sort of way. (Tone is key.)

He has a condescending personality?

I personally prefer scum, because I enjoy manipulating people.

Funnily enough, that's pretty much exactly what seems to have happened. WormyKrew's posts contain a lot of things which tend to give the aura of trying to get on people's good sides.

OK

More than that, a bit of a crazy theory: They decided Ear would represent them until the hydra got activated. Then, they got the scum PM. Ear got worried, not liking to play as scum. Sleepy took over specifically because Sleepy likes being scum.

We got the PM long before the switch. Sleepyhead is more active than earhead, hence the switch.

VOTE: ironhead
We both agree that his single post was scummy. It's like he's trying to avoid RVS... I wonder why?

This seems like blatant sheeping/parroting of the other hydra, Secret Project.

Yeah, we agreed. I must be scum for agreeing with someone.

Not liking RVS is obvscum. Lynchlynchlynch
RQS is not pressure.

So, essentially, Sleepy went after the easy wagons of Jily (newb) and Ironhead (Secret Project supported).

Or the two people I think are scummy.

Anyways, your preference doesn't matter. This town has already chosen RVS and not participating is counterproductive and scummy.

Reads as condescending, perhaps as scum coaching.

I'm a condescending person.

Anyways, your preference doesn't matter. This town has already chosen RVS and not participating is counterproductive and scummy.

This tone is that of the typical condescending scum.

I'm a condescending person.

So, I'm thinking Iron/jil team? I personally want to see Iron go first.

Making the above official, after Secret had reaffirmed his dislike of both, essentially, further buddying up to Secret by sheeping his reads.

Or, we agree *gasp*

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Jil

Blatant bandwagoning.

Voting someone we've said was scum.

Jil is playing really bad.

The thing is. There's a huge difference between "playing bad" and "scum".

By stating "Jily is playing really bad", WormyKrew has effectively scumslipped, in revealing they think Jily is town, playing bad, not scum. See how that works?

It wasn't "Jily is anti-town". Voting someone anti-town is a bit of a newb-mistake, but is mostly null. It wasn't "jily is scummy". That'd be scumhunting. It was, specifically, "Jily is playing really bad".

Saying someone is Anti-Town makes no statement either way. It's neutral. Saying someone is scummy makes a statement that you think they're more likely to be scum (most frequently, anyway).

"Playing Bad", on the other hand, has the OPPOSITE implication, that you think they're TOWN. And yet, they vote Jily, anyway. Hence, the scumslip.

Or if a scum player is extremely scummy, then they're also "playing bad".

Why would it matter in the first place if we were in pregame or not? You could've still posted your thoughts.

This is the condescending scum Tone. Not the legitimately curious town tone.

You know the answer.

Jil needs massive pressure

This? This is a further admittance to knowing Jily is town. How? "Massive Pressure", rather than "desperate need of rope". It's just how town thinks. Town doesn't think, "this person's scummy, so they need massive pressure".

They'll either think, "Oh, this person needs some pressure VOTE: person", or "this person needs rope". It's all in the exact wording. Details are vital, giving off a completely different feel to a post.

What's the difference?

Congrats mastin, great case.

[Secret Project]

Make up your damn minds.

unvote, vote: krew

[Secret Project]

if that is what it takes to lynch someone today

This right here answers your question to me.

[Secret Project]

Pretty sure that's L-1

[wierdalexv]

L-1, just FYI. I still want a TheWayItEnds lynch, though.

Unvig-vote, Vig-vote: Elsa von Spielburg

because TheWayItEnds isn't going to get vigged.

[Secret Project]

Wormy's at L-3, right?

Also the lack of people who were voting Brokenscraps disappoints us. Sigh...

Anyways, Ironhead, we expressed about five thousand times today we want the day to end, Wormy was unlikely to be lynched. Look at the votals:

wierdalexv 0
Soben 0
Elsa von Spielburg 1 Captain Corporal,
Captain Corporal 1 Elsa Von Spielburg
jilynne1991 0
TheWayItEnds 4 (L-3) Brokenscraps, Ironhead, Soben, Wiredalexv,
DarthYoshi 0
Brokenscraps 2 TheWayItEnds, Secret Project,
Secret Project 0
Ironhead 1 WormyKrew,
Alduskkel 1 Darth Yoshi,
Mastin2 0
WormyKrew 3 Mastin2, jilynne1991, Alduskkel

The Wormy wagon was likely to stay, fine. The people on TWIE are you, broken, Soben and alex. alex changes wagons every five seconds so that's fine, while Soben is almost certainly not coming off the TWIE wagon. We sincerely doubted you would as you're a very determined person in your votes as it is, and broken isn't even here, and as his buddy alex is being vigged as it is, he wouldn't want his other buddy gone after a day or so (as we said earlier, we suspect there's three scum as is the norm for Open setups). As it turns out, we were wrong and more people voted Wormy than we predicted. That said;

UNVOTE: TWIE
VOTE: WormyKrew

Still disappointed in the lack of a broken lynch.

P-EDIT: LOL NINJA'D BY MYSELF

[Secret Project]

Awww man I thought that was a hammer cuz I saw the vote before I saw who posted

[Soben]

Sigh, for a second I thought people were actually going to lynch correctly. Secret, if you're going to continue to insist and drive this Sleep lynch home can you at least do me the favour of moving your vig-vote to Elsa please.

SleepyKrew, claim, now.

[Secret Project]

Sigh, for a second I thought people were actually going to lynch correctly. Secret, if you're going to continue to insist and drive this Sleep lynch home can you at least do me the favour of moving your vig-vote to Elsa please.

SleepyKrew, claim, now.

Lol no, alex is the most obv scum player in the game.

[Secret Project]

it'll probably be elsa anyway, if anybody's keeping count.

[Elsa von Spielburg]

You know who my top suspects are if I end up dead. Had some free time and did this...

Vig-Vote Count:

Elsa von Spielburg (5) : wierdalexv, Soben, Captain Corporal, Brokenscraps, WormyKrew
wierdalexv (5): Elsa von Spielburg, TheWayItEnds, DarthYoshi, Secret Project, mastin2
Captain Corporal (1): Alduskkel

Not Voting (2): jilynne1991, Ironhead

So right now it's a tie, with 3 not voting for the major wagons. Glad the jily wields the power since she seems to err on the side of not killing me. I approve! (Where did she go, anyways?)

[Ironhead]

if that is what it takes to lynch someone today

This right here answers your question to me.

Except I don't consider WormyKrew or TWIE to be townish. I'm okay with either being lynched because they are both scum-reads to me. This contrasts with your willingness to vote someone you announced to be a town-read to you.

Vig-Vote Count:

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Not Voting (2): jilynne1991, Ironhead

Don't expect me to cast a "vig-vote." If jilynne is the vig, then a "vig-vote" is nothing more than a non-binding suggestion to her; she is free to ignore it as she pleases and vig whomever she wants. If she wants my advice, she is free to peruse my published reads and suspicions of various players; she is also free to follow her own counsel in determining who ought to be vigged.

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TWIE, please don't let the current momentum shift away from you beguile you from claiming and defending yourself in your next post. The mob is fickle; I, for one, will be right back on the TWIE-wagon if you ignore the case against you in your next post.

[Secret Project]

TWIE, don't do anything but hammer in your next post -_-

[Soben]

Secret, which head said #895, I need to know who to avoid playing with in the future.

No one is hammering until Sleepy has claimed and we've had time to discuss his claim, I also agree with Irons point that TWIE should attempt to actually address the case against him and claim as well before the day ends.

[WormyKrew]

we are a vt

[Secret Project]

So can someone hammer now?

Why THE HELL would TWIE claim now? He's probably not gonna get lynched tomorrow either, depending on flips.

[Secret Project]

TWIE's been addressing the case against him for like the entire game. In fact, he's been so busy addressing the case against him that he hasn't actually done anything useful. Addressing it more is a waste of posting, and TWIE is useless town who would become slightly less useless if he would get on and do the pro-town thing and get on and hammer without another word.