New York 131: Tricycle Mafia (Day 5)

[silverbullet999]

I did, Iso 187 is the only post where you have actually said Uite is town. Iso 171 you encourage a Uite wagon, and only iso post 118 do you say, Uite is goodposting.

This isn't adding up, maybe pine did bus his partner? The one he counter claimed flipped as useless goon so...

VOTE: Pine

[Pine]

Holy Christ, Silver, really? Less than a dozen posts ago you had me as your second-strongest Town read.

STOP BEING A VI AND READ THE FUCKING THREAD.

My suspicion of Uite disappeared shortly after Uite's VT slip when he posted his VCA. A few posts of trying to figure out whether it was a real slip or feigned, and I decided it was real.

I can't decide now whether you're simply being unforgivably dense or whether you're scum getting cabin fever from this long day phase.

[silverbullet999]

Iso Post 108

He actually has explained himself. Over the last couple of pages he's declared almost everyone clear. I don't have the time nor inclination to look it up, but I believe you and NS are the only ones he hasn't.

UNVOTE: Uite
VOTE: Nobody Special

The role slip in his chart looks genuine, but could be a calculated "town slip". Enough to let him go for now.

Iso Post 118

How have I misinterpreted anything about the votes? I haven't actually started analysing yet, and have said so. It this stage, it's just a big heap of data.

I was referring to the incorrect interpretation you gave of me as scum. I admit that statement was a bit biased, as you were one of my top suspects at the time.

Uite's 860 is goodposting, though I agree that Toon is not a viable lynch for today. Mastin or Maxous are the correct choices, in that order.

Iso Post 171

Uite, NS, wagon on Zepher gogogo.

Iso Post 187

The only people I don't suspect right now are Uite and NS. You recently moved out of my Town reads.

My vote reflects my top scumread. All of my reads are complicated and confused, and are explained in detail. Rank ordering is trite and artificial.

[silverbullet999]

VOTE: Nobody Special

Yes.. I'm a blithering idiot

[Pine]

What the hell? 171 is asking my strongest townreads to join me in wagoning on scum.

Which I notice you aren't doing, preferring to vote for the cop-cleared guy. Super.

When Zepher flips scum, Silver is next.

[silverbullet999]

Me saying I'm a blithering idiot means I mistook 171 at first thinking it meant, NS Uite and Zepher wagons need to build up. If you are going to lynch me, you lynch me now.

[Pine]

No, right now I can't tell if you're just holding the idiot ball or whether your motivation is scum. Zepher's flip will tell.

[silverbullet999]

1. So, silverscum wanted to start a wagon on you this late on a reason that makes literally no sense?

2. How does that work?

[silverbullet999]

3. Why are you and me the only one's posting in this thread...

(PROD REQUEST! )

[Uite]

Sorry guys, I've been ill the past weekend. I'm starting to feel better now, but I'm not fit enough to slog through all the new posts. I'll try to have it done tomorrow.

[Toon Fighter]

I'm here, but your discussion isn't that interesting

[Maxous]

Pine - do you think Toon Fighter is a SK? Y/N

@Toon: Why do you only beleive

now

that KOC is telling the truth? Why not earlier when it was first pointed out?

Nobody Special's catch-up post did'nt live up to the hype

Literally has done nothing, normally when he does nothing he's scum

He does'nt do a whole bunch as town either from what I've seen.

Pine and Silver are just arguing like an elderly couple....

As for Mr.Zepher - early Day 1 he suspects NS saying he is likely scum. 343
Now he mentions NS on Day 4 when he says he has a gut town read on him 1064. What changed? Who knows? (By the way he is saying here on Day 4 that he has'nt paid attention to him, while here he said it was Day 3.)
He claims he did'nt pay much attention to NS' posts until late Day 3. He was certainly paying attention to him Day 1.He is also claiming he was'nt paying attention to someone he thought was likely scum?
He also mentions NS on Day 3. So he

was

paying attention to him. And NS is doing the exact same he is now.
Also if NS caught his attention late Day 3 why would he only go through his posts to see 'if he said anything' in post 1074? This is the middle of Day 4 after Silver and Uite are suspecting NS. If he was suspicious of NS earlier he would of checked earlier - NS' posts in this game do not take long to go through.
He also claims he had people that focused his attention but he wrote a post mentioning and explaining his reads of everybody in the game on Day 3.
And then he calls my questioning of his consistency in his suspicions strawmanning
Aside from myself wondering how somebody can possibly strawman an arguement consisting of "read through his ISO", this was a deflection attempt. He simply threw out that term to distract from how his suspicions don't add up.

Tl;dr - When NS was being suspected in Day 1 he called NS 'likely scum'
Then Mastin and KOC gave NS the 'benefit of the doubt' - Mr.Zepher then also claimed to give NS the benefit of the doubt.
Once a NS lynch is on the cards again he is in favour of a NS lynch.
His claim that he was'nt paying attention to NS in the game does'nt wash.

I don't see his suspicions on NS as genuine.
This is similar to how he only strongly attacked Amor(stating nothing but weak gut reads beforehand) when the tide turned against Amor and his lynch was likely(after Subzero claimed Mason) and how he was dancing around his suspicion of me until after other players in the game had started looking for my lynch.
Going with the flow.

unvote

VOTE: Mr.Zepher

[Nobody Special]

Okay, a few things:

Maxous, I'm sorry my catch-up post was so disappointing. It was, however, 3 in the morning, and I honestly don't even recall writing it.

Zepher: Other than asking me what my reads are, I honestly cannot find a question from you to me that remains unanswered. Stop being lazy and just ask me again.

Pine: I swear. I just.... FNARGLE.

Silver: You aren't an idiot.

Are you, by chance, a Jester?

Forgot this is a Normal game. You also get a FNARGLE.

I must say I would not be too surprised by a Zepher/Pine scumteam.

For today, Zepher can hang. Overnight I will read past scum interactions and go from there. We're getting uncomfortably close to deadline.

Unvote

Vote: MrZepher

[Toon Fighter]

Remember, if we don't get two kills tonight, we lynch Pine tomorrow

[MrZepher]

Unvote

I was going to post a well thought out, and cleverly worded post on why Pine is an idiot and scum, BUT when I went back to see exactly what it was that Pine is taking as a breadcrumbed cop clear (which there is none btw.) and noticed that I think Nhammen is the only person to disagree with my case.
I mean, it seems weird but I'd like to know where everyone stands on my case with Maxous and why you disagree with it if you do.

This goes for Nhammen too as I don't think I ever inquired as to why you disagreed with my post on Maxous.


PREDIT:
Wtf? When did I accuse you of strawmanning me? I was asking a question!
You also seem to like taking advantage of voting when a lynch seems likely.
There were always bigger fish to fry than NS. If I were scum seeking to either go after town or bus a buddy I could have done that yesterday, and gone through with it a lot more successfully. NS isn't an "Oh well nothing else is working" vote. He's playing like scum, and my scum reads are putting a good deal of effort in defending him. I want to see the flip.

If the chain of events happens that I think is going to happen happens then NS flips scum and I die tonight for various reasons.
If he flips town then we lose 1 town today, and I still die tonight for various reasons.

Note: I started my post about 10 minutes before Maxous even showed up in the thread, I ended up scrapping it and starting over, PLUS I'm currently at work so I'm getting distracted with other things.

@NS
Confirmed scum. I directed a question specifically at you and Nhammen. Nhammen answered. Why don't you read the thread?

OH RIGHT BECAUSE YOU'RE FUCKING SCUM I FORGET.

If I die Toon is pretty much fucked for tonight.
Just thought I should point that out.

[Nobody Special]

@NS
Confirmed scum. I directed a question specifically at you and Nhammen. Nhammen answered. Why don't you read the thread?

OH RIGHT BECAUSE YOU'RE FUCKING SCUM I FORGET.

Zepher:

Other than asking me what my reads are

, I honestly cannot find a question from you to me that remains unanswered. Stop being lazy and just ask me again.

I DID READ THE THREAD. Did you read my response? NO.

If I die Toon is pretty much fucked for tonight.
Just thought I should point that out.

I'm sorry, what?

[MrZepher]

You still skimped out on the question NS.
And yes I ignored that in my head, I'm sorry.

Do you have ANY reason for voting me?
Or are you voting me just for the sake of voting me?
Do you even think I'm scum lol?

Also, I said that if I die, Toon has no chance of surviving tonight.

[Toon Fighter]

Why is that, Zeph?

[Nobody Special]

You still skimped out on the question NS.
And yes I ignored that in my head, I'm sorry.

Do you have ANY reason for voting me?
Or are you voting me just for the sake of voting me?
Do you even think I'm scum lol?

Also, I said that if I die, Toon has no chance of surviving tonight.

Good lord. Stop being dense.
I KNOW that you meant that Toon "has no chance of surviving tonight" what I want to know is WHY you feel that way? I thought you were thinking he was scum anyway? :: checking iso :: No, you've pretty much spent the entire game (AFAICT) bi-tunneling on me and Max.

And I wouldn't be voting you if I didn't think you were scum. I mean, really now.

[Maxous]

Wtf? When did I accuse you of strawmanning me? I was asking a question!

It appears I have misunderstood.
Why did you ask that question?

He's playing like scum, and my scum reads are putting a good deal of effort in defending him. I want to see the flip.

Between here and here and here no-one defended NS.

P-Edit: NS does'nt look like he is reading the thread..
Bah, it's Knight of Cydonia I trust though.

Zepher if you want to claim something - claim.

[MrZepher]

I asked because it popped into my head at the time and I was curious what it meant.
I've never gotten a definite answer and I didn't want to take the time to check the wiki lol.

Oh you mean Pine hasn't actually been defending him?
Your question of the evidence behind NS scum is soft-defending him?

OH WELL PARDON FUCKING ME.
I'M JUST A LOWLY FUCKING JOAT WHO KNOWS THAT KoC DIDN'T FUCKING INVESTIGATE NS.

[Toon Fighter]

unvote

[Maxous]

My point was that you concluded NS was scum before anyone defended him.
The Jack of all Trades claim brings up a lot of questions.
Do you mind explaining what you have done the last 3 nights then?

[Toon Fighter]

Yeah, Zepher, what did you do?

[Pine]

...That claim changes EVERYTHING, Zepher. Why the FUCK haven't you said so before?

Unvote

Layover in Atlanta, so I had a chance to skim but not really process anything. This FUCKING GAME. I'll deal with you poxy bastards when I get home.