Charlie the Unicorn Mafia (GAME OVER)

[Nobody Special]

I have no idea what you're on about, so have a

cookie

pancake:

[Rhinox]

So lets analyze what just happened here.

I put RC to L-1, and there was no hammer.


Assuming 3 scum, that means 1 of 2 things:
RC is scum, or RC is town and everyone voting RC is scum (and everyone NOT voting RC is town).


Me, nacho, and NS were voting RC. If RC is town, then the 3 of us are scum, and charlie, pulindar, and stef are all town.

Since NS just unvoted RC to vote nacho in this situation, that pretty much rules out that NS and nacho are scum together. That means either RC is confirmed scum since there was no scum hammer coming from charlie, pulindar, or stef, or either stef and/or pulindar are scum who didn't get online quick enough to hammer. If RC is town, charlie is now confirmed town for not hammering RC. I also know that I am not scum.

So in order for RC to be town, the scum team HAS to be stef, pulindar, and 1 of nacho or NS (from my POV), and I'd have to believe that stef and pulindar didnt' check the thread to hammer before NS unvoted.

From others' POVs, if RC is town then the scum is {Me, nacho, NS, (stef), (pulindar)} - can be stef or pulindar if you assume they didn't have the chance to hammer.

Or, RC is just scum.

You guys with me?

[Rhinox]

Alright so stef and pulindar both haven't posted anywhere on the site for a while so I guess its possible that one of them could be scum who weren't around to hammer town RC.

In that case, the only thing we have learned then is that IF RC is town, then charlie is for sure confirmed town.
RC, does that knowledge change your view about anything?

unshun

since RC is still in scum quickhammer range if he's town.

[Nobody Special]

Just throwing this out there: in my experience, the one person who is statistically grinding the living stuffing out of a game is usually scum.

[Rhinox]

So in order for RC to be town, the scum team HAS to be stef, pulindar, and 1 of nacho or NS (from my POV)

OK this is going to give me stomach aches. Maybe I could buy stef is scum, but I'm not sure I could buy pulindar is scum. And knowing that I'm town, there is absolutely no way NS unvotes town RC to vote nacho if nacho is scum with NS, because I'm town, RC-hypo town is at L-1, and NS would be hoping that at any second, stef/or pulindar would show up to hammer before I unvote if I'm the only townie on the wagon.

So if I can't convince myself that both stef and pulindar are scum, along with 1 and only 1 of NS or Nacho, then RC HAS to be scum.

[Nobody Special]

Just throwing this out there: in my experience, the one person who is statistically grinding the living stuffing out of a game is usually scum.

[Rhinox]

Just throwing this out there: in my experience, the one person who is statistically grinding the living stuffing out of a game is usually scum.

So do you think the scum could be nacho, stef, and pulindar then?

Or what do you mean by "the one person who is statistically grinding the living stuffing out of a game"?

[Nobody Special]

[ReaperCharlie]

^ LOL

Best post of the game, right there.

[Rhinox]

wait how exactly am I "statistically grinding the living stuffing out of a game" by pointing out an observation about what no hammer of RC at L-1 means?

[ReaperCharlie]

@ mod:

---

Stefunny

- 1 day 23 hours ago, wrote:

Prod received, haven't logged on in a few days, heading out to a going away party now, but I will post when I get home.

Before that, her last post was

OVER A WEEK BEFORE.

This slot needs to be replaced. Take a hint.

---

Pulindar

- 4 days 5 hours ago, wrote NOTHING about being V/LA.

There should have been a normal

prod > prod > replace

progression by this time.

Especially since Pulindar's slot HAS been gone on V/LA for half the game already.

---

Just sayin.

This game is desperately in need of some replacements/activity.

And it shouldn't be

my

job to have to whip it up out of thin air.

[ReaperCharlie]

wait how exactly am I "statistically grinding the living stuffing out of a game" by pointing out an observation about what no hammer of RC at L-1 means?

It either means:

1. all of the scum are on my wagon and CAN'T hammer even if they wanted to, or

2. the scum not on my wagon are either *gone*, or looking to get town cred by

not

hammering...

(i.e. so that you could use

exactly

this argument that I'm scum)

(because you can't

disprove

the argument that Nacho and you are scum)

(in other words, you FFAAAAIIILLL at trying to deflect attention from you/Nacho)

(HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW)

[ReaperCharlie]

I have no idea what you're on about, so have a

cookie

pancake:

It was another picture before.

I leeched it, and so they punished me. lol

[Rhinox]

wait how exactly am I "statistically grinding the living stuffing out of a game" by pointing out an observation about what no hammer of RC at L-1 means?

It either means:

1. all of the scum are on my wagon and CAN'T hammer even if they wanted to, or

2. a) the scum not on my wagon are either *gone*, or b) looking to get town cred by

not

hammering...

(i.e. so that you could use

exactly

this argument that I'm scum)

(because you can't

disprove

the argument that Nacho and you are scum)

(in other words, you FFAAAAIIILLL at trying to deflect attention from you/Nacho)

(HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW)

1: thoughts on Me/Nacho/NS scumteam likliness then?

2a: possible - thoughts on charlie being confirmed town then given that up until today he has been your #1 scum pick and didn't hammer when you were at L-1?
2b: is retarded, considering assuming a scum team of 3, a town lynch is game over, there is no need to build town cred or set up this exact argument.

[Rhinox]

And I'm really not liking the fact that you've been whining about lack of activity for days, and now when I start talking I get the feeling you're basically kicking me and telling me to shut up.

[Haylen]

Pulindar told me via PM that he was V/LA. and if anyone wants to replace out they should shoot me a pm.

[ReaperCharlie]

1: thoughts on Me/Nacho/NS scumteam likliness then?

Low. NS is probtown due to... certain things.

2a: possible - thoughts on charlie being confirmed town then given that up until today he has been your #1 scum pick and didn't hammer when you were at L-1?

Charlie has been the only other person with a decent amount of common sense today.
Hence, my read of him changed.

2b: is retarded, considering assuming a scum team of 3, a town lynch is game over, there is no need to build town cred or set up this exact argument.

SO IF WE'RE AT

MYLO

RIGHT NOW, THEN WHY ARE YOU IGNORING MY POINTS ABOUT NACHO????

OH YEAH. BECAUSE HE'S YOUR SCUMBUDDY.

[ReaperCharlie]

Pulindar told me via PM that he was V/LA. and if anyone wants to replace out they should shoot me a pm.

Why don't YOU shoot THEM a pm, telling them that since they are delaying your game horribly, that they should either post, or you're going to FORCIBLY replace them out, and put people in the game who are actually going to CONTRIBUTE?

That'd be

fantastic!

[ReaperCharlie]

Thanks. <3

Sorry to be such a stickler.

[Rhinox]

SO IF WE'RE AT MYLO RIGHT NOW, THEN WHY ARE YOU IGNORING MY POINTS ABOUT NACHO????

OH YEAH. BECAUSE HE'S YOUR SCUMBUDDY.

I'm not ignoring your points about nacho, but everytime I ask you about them, you just reiterate that I'm scum with nacho, and I'm not going to give a lot of thought to a case that involves anyone being scum with me, because I'm not scum.

And its more likely LyLo, not MyLo, and thats irrelevant to why I would or would not be ignoring your points about nacho. Knowing that I'm town, if you're also town, then both stef and pulindar ARE scum 100% in addition to 1 of either nacho or NS. I'm not going to vote for a maybe-scum at this point over a for-sure-scum. At this point, my vote has to be either for stef or pulindar if I think you're town, or you if I think you're scum.

[ReaperCharlie]

SO IF WE'RE AT MYLO RIGHT NOW, THEN WHY ARE YOU IGNORING MY POINTS ABOUT NACHO????

OH YEAH. BECAUSE HE'S YOUR SCUMBUDDY.

I'm not ignoring your points about nacho, but everytime I ask you about them, you just reiterate that I'm scum with nacho, and I'm not going to give a lot of thought to a case that involves anyone being scum with me, because I'm not scum.

LOL.

So therefore in your mind, because you say you're town, that means Nacho is immediately town too?

HAHA. I'll take my chances, THANKYOUVERYMUCH.

And its more likely LyLo, not MyLo

/in b4 rhinox suggests no-lynching again

and thats irrelevant to why I

would or would not be

AM BLATANTLY

ignoring your points about nacho. Knowing that I'm town, if you're also town, then both stef and pulindar ARE scum 100% in addition to 1 of either nacho or NS.

Well guess what. Stef and Pulindar are lurky mclurkersons. The fact that they're not modkilled or replaced yet makes me HEAVILY lean that they might be third-party scum of some kind, and mods are usually less likely to replace them. But I'd also HEAVILY lean towards that 3p scum being Stef as opposed to Pulindar.

I'm not going to vote for a maybe-scum at this point over a for-sure-scum. At this point, my vote has to be either for stef or pulindar if I think you're town, or you if I think you're scum.

So you're saying Nacho is only maybe-scum, according to this?

if you're also town, then both stef and pulindar ARE scum 100% in addition to 1 of

either nacho or NS

.

Well then WHY ARE YOU HAVING SUCH A HARD TIME SAYING

VOTE: NACHO

IF YOU THINK HE'S MAYBE-SCUM. ITS PLAIN AS DAY THAT I'M TOWN, AND IF YOU WERE TOWN THEN YOU'D BE VOTING NACHO BECAUSE WE DONT WANT TO NO LYNCH AGAIN, AND BECAUSE STEFUNNY AND PULINDAR AREN'T GONNA GET LYNCHED TODAY. SCUM LYNCH IS SCUM LYNCH IS SCUM LYNCH IS SCUM LYNCH.

NOW, IF WE WERE AT MYLO AND YOU HAD STRONG CONVICTIONS THEN IT, WOULD *MAKE SENSE* FOR YOU TO RESIST. BUT YOU JUST SAID ITS *LYLO* (which basically means you have inside info about the scum team size(s), ha ha ha lolscum) AND *NOT* MYLO, SO THEREFORE IT MAKES ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE FOR YOU TO RESIST HITTING SCUM OF ANY KIND.

ERGO YOU ARE SCUM WITH NACHO AND YOU ARE REFUSING TO BUS HIM BECAUSE YOU WANT TO WIN BY ENDGAME OR BY WHATEVER OTHER DEVILRY YOU HAVE UP YOUR SLEEVE.

TELL ME I AM WRONG. TELL ME.

[ReaperCharlie]

(also, tell me WHY i am wrong)

[Rhinox]

Well, knowing I am town, and assuming 3 scum, yesterday was technically mylo - meaning, if I was lynched yesterday, the game would be over right now, because there would be 3 scum and 3 town remaining. So, nacho is scum because he caused a no lynch according to you, but from where I'm sitting, no lynch >>> mislynch and game over. nacho scum would know I am town, and by causing a no-lynch instead of a mislynch effectively makes it a move against his wincon.

So, as far as I can see, the only reason nacho is scum is because he caused a no-lynch, but in my position, knowing the alternative was a mislynch, the no-lynch had a much more pro-town result in this context. So I just don't see nacho being scum based solely on the blanket fact that he caused a no-lynch knowing that the alternative was my mislynch and the chance for the scum to have won the game by now.


So, to reaffirm what I said before, at this point, it would be antitown for my vote to go on anyone other than stef, pulindar, or you today. If you are town, both stef and pulindar are scum, 100%, while nacho/ns are only scum with a probability of 50%. If you are scum, well then you get my vote.

This is because a) if you are town, charlie is town for sure due to posting but not hammering, and b) if you are town nacho and ns are not both scum together otherwise no way ns unvotes you to vote nacho when you're L-1 and the 3rd scum has the potential to hammer any second for the scum win, knowing that since I am town the 3rd scum would have to be either stef or pulindar.

(which basically means you have inside info about the scum team size(s), ha ha ha lolscum)

Don't be an idiot, at this point its all but certain we're dealing with a 3 member scum team.

[ReaperCharlie]

Ok Rhinox, listen. Because I'm only gonna say this once.

Fact:

Nacho hopped off Rhinox wagon at the last second yesterday, causing a no-lynch.

Opinion:

Reaper: Nacho (or anyone really) would only hop off a wagon at deadline as scum.
Nacho: Hey, Hiraki left the wagon to follow me, and he was town. Therefore I am town.
Rhinox: If Nacho would have lynched me, we'd have blown MYLO. Because I am town.

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Here's my first problem with that, Rhinox.

1. Nacho has said absolutely nothing about hopping off your wagon yesterday in order to strategically no-lynch so that we wouldn't blow MYLO. That was entirely your fabrication. So basically: "Hey, if scum teams are X size (assumption), then this certain (scummy) thing that this (scummy) guy did, would actually be pro-town (except he hasn't mentioned it yet, but I'm sure he will now). Get it?" ..... Uh uh. Not flying.

And my second problem with that is:

2. If you notice, out of all three of our opinions above, only ONE of them is NOT predicated on "hey this proves I am town" or "hey, this logic makes sense if I am town, which believe me, I am". First, you can't expect us to believe you, given the circumstances. You are high-class OBVscum at this point. Second, scum don't have to defend themselves, all they have to do is scumhunt. Scum focuses on their *own* innocence in other people's eyes, because that's the only tool they can use to make it to endgame. Whereas *town* scumhunts and doesn't worry about how innocent they may or may not look, because they *know* they're town and don't have to prove it to themselves along with others.

*That's* where you've gone wrong. The only thing you have used to try to find scum so far are 1. going after lurkers, and 2. PoE based on self-knowledge. i.e. WHAT SCUM DO.

And the fact that both of you guys (Nacho/Rhinox) keep trying to say again and again that you are *town*, and are defending each other to the hilt, erroneously and unsolicitedly, gives me THAT fishy feeling in my tummy. You know the one. The fishy feeling of scumbuddies.

I haven't gotten that fishy feeling from Pulindar. I haven't gotten that feeling from Nobody Special. They both seem pretty straightforward, and though I'd like to see Pulindar replaced (

@mod:

preferably

immediately

), Nobody Special appears like he can listen to reason and even put aside his (albeit well-earned) suspicion of me in order to sheep my

common sense

instead of following scum off a cliff like an idiot.

As for Charlie and Stef, I got the fishy feeling from them earlier on, but Charlie has proven himself today in a way that I can't really look badly upon, and Stefunny is in the same boat as Pulindar, except

she

hasn't posted for about 10 days, versus Pul's "mere" 5 days.

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I could ramble on and try to convince you that you're scum with Nacho all I want, but it's not going to work. So just vote for Nacho, he'll flip scum, night will happen, and then we'll lynch you.

People I will NOT lynch:

-Nobody Special (very much doubt he's scum)
-Pulindar (if he's scum, he's third-party (sk?) if anything)
-Charlie (I've reversed my read on him, I think he's town now)

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Another thing you seem loath to discuss is the fact that there were three deaths last night. i.e. at LEAST two kills, with one of them causing another lover to suicide. So what do you think it is? A vigilante? A serial killer? Two scum groups of two? I admit, I am heavily leaning towards the last option at this point, because for the life of me, I cannot connect a third buddy to you and Nacho.

How come you haven't mentioned this, either?

Still scum: Nacho, Rhinox

[Nachomamma8]

NS is town due to voting one of me and you in RC's mind. He'd be terrified to call someone on his side scum, after all.

My point about Hiraki is that RC's tell is not the IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE he preesents it as. It is also the only reason he has presented against me being scum, despite his incredible confidence of me being scum.