Succession Mafia II: OVER!

[Cobblerfone]

Actually,

UNVOTE:

I think I have a real lead but it'll have to wait until they've responded some more.

[Battousai]

ThAd 1516- Not in this setup. I believe that if you think someone is at best null, that you shouldn't be willing to lynch them. A mislynch is even more detrimental (especially D1 when a mislynch will give us no information unlike other following days).

Andrius 1545- What, no breakfast?

I'd be happy with a Ludi lynch yesterday, though others have bumped the slot down on my scum list. I think Cobbler is lying scum, so I'm happy with that lynch. One way or another he'll die this game anyways.

VOTE: Cobbler

[Herodotus]

There is a high likelihood that Yos wasn't scum previous to last night, jury's out, but I don't think he's been recruited yet. I don't want to claim my ability but I think it should be blindingly obvious.

Also, why do you keep mispelling my name? "Serephem"? It's Seraphim.

Given all the information we have, I say we either lynch Ludi or Cobbler.

Vote: Magister Ludi

This is one of the worst posts here. Start with a softclaim, move on to focusing on the spelling of your name, make an unsupported assertion that one of two prob-townies is scum, then vote one of said prob-townies.

There has been a lot of badposting in this game, but you've been low activity, and you're capable of playing decently. I expect better from you.

[Seraphim]

Hero: Who is scum then?

I could understand Cobbler town.

But ML-town seems almost impossible at this juncture.

[Yosarian2]

You told everyone you were recruitable, which you do not know based on the information Flay gave you. There is obvious reasons why Flay would not answer that question either way under either assumption. You are N0 recruit. You deceived the town and provided information which you do not know.

Half-fakeclaiming isn't such a bad idea. Maybe you'll see if I get nightkilled.

So, he admits he was fakeclaiming, and now he's back to saying:

To the best of my knowledge I'm unrecruitable though.

Which is it, cobbler?

[Herodotus]

Oh, I'm taking bvoigt off the list; it's down to:
Flameaxe
Fritzler
Ooba
Porochaz
Populartajo

Now I'm wondering if you should be on it.

[Cobblerfone]

I do not know for certain if I'm unrecruitable or not. Thus it's technically a fakeclaim.

[Seraphim]

That's a good list of possible recruits, yes.

But are they scum?

[Yosarian2]

The excuse you originally gave for fakeclaiming unrecruitable was that you thought other "teamsters" might also be unrecruitable. Now that we know that that was a lie, why did you claim unrecruitable, if not just to avoid being lynched?

[Cobblerfone]

The excuse you originally gave for fakeclaiming unrecruitable was that you thought other "teamsters" might also be unrecruitable. Now that we know that that was a lie, why did you claim unrecruitable, if not just to avoid being lynched?

I thought they might be unrecruitable too. Then around the time RaudhrGarm soft-claimed vanilla and xvart seemed suspicious I asked Mr. Flay about what happens if the recruiters try to recruit me.

[populartajo]

OH NOW WE LYNCH THE OBVHERPADERPA VI PLAYER THAT MAKES ZERO SENSE TO RECRUIT PRETTY MUCH EVER.

AND WE DEBATE ABOUT TOO SCUMMY TO BE SCUM, RAGE, WALLOTEXT, NOU AND SUCH.

WHILE DGB GETS A FREE PASS.

SIGH.

[Tanarin]

The excuse you originally gave for fakeclaiming unrecruitable was that you thought other "teamsters" might also be unrecruitable. Now that we know that that was a lie, why did you claim unrecruitable, if not just to avoid being lynched?

I thought they might be unrecruitable too. Then around the time RaudhrGarm soft-claimed vanilla and xvart seemed suspicious I asked Mr. Flay about what happens if the recruiters try to recruit me.

What I am not getting is the fact you claim flay said he could not tell you if you were or were not unrecruitable. You would think if it mentions being unrecruitable in your Role PM, it would either be spelled out, or if you asked about it, he would indeed TELL you if you are or are not. So just to get the facts straight, here is what I am gathering happened according to you:

Garm claims vanilla.
You PM flay about being unrecruitable or not.
He comes back with an answer that says you COULD be but he is not fully telling.
You go and claim you ARE unrecruitable.

Is that about right or am I missing something?

[Cobblerfone]

Garm claims vanilla.
You PM flay about being unrecruitable or not.
He comes back with an answer that says you COULD be but he is not fully telling.
You go and claim you ARE unrecruitable.

I think that's right. More or less. You'll understand if I ever die or get in a position to fullclaim.

[Tanarin]

OK, so now that the time line is established, what good in your mind would not only outting yourself but the other teamsters get you? Especially not knowing if they were or were not unrecruitable in any extent. This holds even more weight KNOWING there are at minimum 2 kills that can go flying on any given night.

[Fritzler]

Can we get a deadline? It is apparently the only way we are capable of lynching someone.

[Cobblerfone]

OK, so now that the time line is established, what good in your mind would not only outting yourself but the other teamsters get you?

I didn't claim until after I voted xvart to explain my way of thinking because I was certain we weren't the same roles any more. So how is that outting the other teamsters?

[Mr. Flay]

Can we get a deadline? It is apparently the only way we are capable of lynching someone.

All Days after D1 are on a 14-day deadline; if you don't use all 14, time gets banked to the next day.

[Magister Ludi]

Swamped by graduation and other such things. More posts coming over next few days.

DGB is still scum. Tajo lined it out rather nicely with a series of quotes.

Seraphim is also highly likely scum at this point. I have information that pretty much confirms he is lying about what he did last night.

Cobble still doesn't look recruited. No cult is going to come out and say 'tehehe, I was lying to you guys on day one, let me spell my contradiction out for you to lynch me over'. It's town.

[Seraphim]

Alright, mister. Claim then. Put your vote where your mouth is. It'll feel good to lynch scum today if you say I'm lying.

[Magister Ludi]

If you confirm you say you

A. Targeted Yos last night and
B. Found out information

I don't need anything more.

Also you need to explain how you switched to 'Magister Ludi has no chance of being town' based on no actual reasoning I can so whatsoever.

And I would have voted you if there was not a far more obvious cult in DrippingGoofball.

[Seraphim]

A. Targeted Yos last night and
B. Found out information

I can confirm A and mostly confirm B. There is the off-chance I was roleblocked but I don't think I was.

[Yosarian2]

Cobble still doesn't look recruited. No cult is going to come out and say 'tehehe, I was lying to you guys on day one, let me spell my contradiction out for you to lynch me over'. It's town.

My guess is that he got scared after I mentioned how in the last game certain power roles were unrecrutable and certain power roles were not. Since he was lying, he didn't have enough information to fake a claim without knowing which roles in this game are unrecrutable. Therefore, he decided to back out of his claim while he still could.

That doesn't PROVE he's scum; DGB's "townie who fakeclaimed unrecruitable so as to not get recruited" theory could still apply here. It's still the most likely possibility, though.

[Fritzler]

Hey guys, I just found out that I am going camping tomorrow for 10 days (I was ordered), and I think I will get phone service out there, and thus internet, but if you never hear from me again, that is why.

[Herodotus]

Sorry for criticizing the earlier softclaim, I didn't put it together with Seraphim's first post of the day.

@Ludi: you need to reread your role PM and think about it carefully. If it's possible that you are making bad assumptions about how various roles work or the details of what Seraphim is claiming, you may want to drop this issue.
OTOH, if you're a tracker who tracked Seraphim to someone other than Yos2, and you're ignoring that because you think your 133t scumhunting ski11z are better than mod-confirmation that someone is lying, then (I don't know how to finish this sentence politely).

Magister, Cobbler, xvart, Yos2... none of them was recruited last night, and each has only a 1/12 chance - adjusted based on expected chances of being lynched - of having been recruited during night zero. There should be no votes on any of them.

Populartajo - take your finger off the shift key, you'll find it easier to type. Also, DGb is correct that Ludi's reasoning is bad.
But DGb, that's not because he's scum.

[Zdenek]

I am here. I think that the case against Cobblerfone based on his changing claims is reasonable, so I'd be willing to support his lynch. I don't understand why the quote from ML by DGB (something about him being unable to see her as town confirms him as scum) implies that he is scum. On the other hand, I think that the case against DGB makes quite a bit of sense.

I'll be back soon.