Succession Mafia II: OVER!

[Porochaz]

I apologise Im not up to date on whats been going on, but to answer this pointless question. I have no interest really in answering your question, not only is it an arbitrary list which I think you could easily put yourself on, I have no interest in any of these people. If you really must have an answer then ooba just wins out but really Im much more interested in a DGB wagon which doesnt involve the word Kinetic or a Cobbler wagon. These wagons make sense. Your short list theory of low profile players has quite a bit of WIFOM in it and odds are as that was where people were looking yesterday, its not going to be where recruiters go today.

[Tanarin]

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This holds even more weight KNOWING there are at minimum 2 kills that can go flying on any given night.

Where did you get this info from??

I think it is a pretty safe assumption there are 2 possible kills considerign we have 3 opposing cult treestumps, and last game they could kill. Not only that it be dumb to assume even if only one side could kill that there isn't a vig or two (one shot or otherwise) floating around.

[Herodotus]

My question isn't pointless. That list has scum on it.

Your comment about where people were looking yesterday is wrong. I tried to exclude xvart's vig list and all the wagons with the type of support that could result in a day 2 lynch.

[Herodotus]

Your short list theory of low profile players has quite a bit of WIFOM in it and odds are as that was where people were looking yesterday, its not going to be where recruiters go today.

Are you calling your play low-profile?

[xvart]

He sent it to me after game start, and why he did, you'll have to ask him.

I don't see him doing this, but I don't have much experience with Flay as a moderator. What name did you send him and why did you send that name if you forgot you had a role?

Yes that is the other side of the coin, I just think it's less likely than fakeclaiming un-recruitable. I claimed that myself, for the WIFOM. I expected more people to fakeclaim unrecruitable for lulz.

How many people in this game are claiming? Let alone fake claiming?

No it didn't. Not outright, I simply guessed because of the wording. For the timeframe, let's see, I think I asked Mr. Flay at around the same time that RaudhrGarm soft-claimed to be vanilla.

This is total bologna. How does the wording suggest that you might be unrecruitable without explicitly saying it?

That's not how it went. I didn't claim unrecruitable until after I was certain that none of us Teamsters had the same role.

No. You claimed when you thought I was not unrecruitable.

What Cobbler seems to be trying to do is actually a pretty reasonable scum technique; he's trying to gradually pull away from his fakeclaim now, to make the whole thing seem like some kind of misunderstanding, and to do so before he can be caught out on it. He's just not doing it very well. In any case, I think the only goal of his fakeclaim was to not be lynched on day 1, and it did accomplish that.

I agree with this.

I'm only interested in lynching Cobble or DGB today. I believe both are lying cultbags.

[Porochaz]

Your short list theory of low profile players has quite a bit of WIFOM in it and odds are as that was where people were looking yesterday, its not going to be where recruiters go today.

Are you calling your play low-profile?

I wouldnt say it was. I was taking it from the comment you made above the initial list.

The majority of the talk yesterday was on players who were non newbies who dont get lynched often but arent as famous as say yos. That correlates with your list.

[Cobblerfone]

That's not how it went. I didn't claim unrecruitable until after I was certain that none of us Teamsters had the same role.

No. You claimed when you thought I was not unrecruitable.

Those both mean the same thing.

I'm only interested in lynching Cobble or DGB today. I believe both are lying cultbags.

If DGB is cult how is she lying if she literally said she's cult?

[Cobblerfone]

This is total bologna. How does the wording suggest that you might be unrecruitable without explicitly saying it?

This part came from my more flavor part of the role that (paraphrasing of course) said I disliked violence. Thus when combined with my role, I assumed I wouldn't join either mafia cult.

[xvart]

That's not how it went. I didn't claim unrecruitable until after I was certain that none of us Teamsters had the same role.

No. You claimed when you thought I was not unrecruitable.

Those both mean the same thing.

No. What you said was that you claimed after you were certain that Raudr and I (all teamsters) were not unrecruitable. When did you determine that Raudr was unrecruitable?

I'm only interested in lynching Cobble or DGB today. I believe both are lying cultbags.

If DGB is cult how is she lying if she literally said she's cult?

Nice misrep. Do I even need to respond to this?

[Cobblerfone]

No. What you said was that you claimed after you were certain that Raudr and I (all teamsters) were not unrecruitable. When did you determine that Raudr was unrecruitable?

Raudhr softclaimed vanilla.

I don't see xvart being recruited as he's a teamster. Wouldn't you rather try to get a PR as soon as possible rather than a VT?

[xvart]

I forgot about that. I went back and looked and that happened before our exchange; so you should have known by that point that we weren't all the same roles, therefore basing us not having the same role because of my vote on you was not true.

[Fritzler]

Why am I voting yosarian? It is a stupid vote.

Unvote, Vote: Cobblerfone

I am not convinced that he is scum, but I am convinced that the game will be better without him.

I'm only interested in lynching Cobble or DGB today. I believe both are lying cultbags.

If DGB is cult how is she lying if she literally said she's cult?

Nice misrep. Do I even need to respond to this?

Yes.

[Herodotus]

Warning: role speculation here.
Seraphim has hinted that he's a rolecop.
Seraphim is a "junkie", and Ooba is the only other "junkie".
So Ooba has a good chance of also being a rolecop.
Kinetic has claimed to have seen DGb's role PM. Either he's lying about that, or he has a rolecop ability at his faction's command.
The rolecop ability could be innate to the CR's, or kinetic may have recruited Ooba.

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I have no interest really in answering your question

Not very pro-town.

not only is it an arbitrary list

Oops, I thought I had stated this. I started with the full playerlist excluding the people who are confirmed to me (myself and the recruiters), generally removed names that were on vig lists, generally removed names that either collected many votes or collected a few votes from relatively persuasive people, and generally removed people I otherwise expected not to be recruited.

which I think you could easily put yourself on

This is not a normal townie response.

Your short list theory of low profile players

Are you calling your play low-profile?

I wouldnt say it was. I was taking it from the comment you made above the initial list.
The majority of the talk yesterday was on players who were non newbies who dont get lynched often but arent as famous as say yos. That correlates with your list.

I don't think there was any clear indication that I was following Magister's criteria.
Regardless, there is a major distinction between a person who is low profile in general, and someone who didn't attract attention on Day 1 of this game.

has quite a bit of WIFOM in it

We're dealing with cults, of course there will be WIFOM. But look at the behaviour of most people: they're attacking the same people who were attacked yesterday. I think the only wagon that could be called "new" is the one on DGb, and there were suspicions on her during Day 1. The recruiters could easily have predicted this and recruited around it.

odds are as that was where people were looking yesterday

I excluded almost everyone at whom people were looking hard yesterday. Exceptions were Ooba, whom DGb mentioned in her list of 4 at gamestart, populartajo, who was Yos2's fourth name, and you, against whom Ladyl made a rage-case that backfired on her.

its not going to be where recruiters go today.

Now who is relying on WIFOM?

[xvart]

I'm only interested in lynching Cobble or DGB today. I believe both are lying cultbags.

If DGB is cult how is she lying if she literally said she's cult?

Nice misrep. Do I even need to respond to this?

Yes.

Okay then. When I say someone is lying that doesn't mean that every single thing uttered is a lie; cult have their own means and their own reasons for saying things and most of the time they will try and tell the truth but occasionally they will have to lie, just as I don't buy the whole thing about Flay, unprompted, pming DGB after the day started telling her that "it's too late to submit an action." Furthermore, it's ridiculous to even use that as an example. "I am cult so everything I say is a lie." Really?

[xvart]

So Ooba has a good chance of also being a rolecop.

How many times have we been over this?

[ToastyToast]

I am not convinced that he is scum, but I am convinced that the game will be better without him.

Given that we're dealing with two cult recruiters, what's the logic in this?

[Magister Ludi]

No Access until Saturday night, Pacific standrad time. (Orientation, )

To whoever asked, I am trying to get as little information as possible from Seraphim and piece together my own role with what flay is telling me (note, he is being insanely cryptic) because its rather complex if Seraphim is in fact lying and if he is and I claim I want it to be a for sure scum lynch.

No part of outing a triangle of town sided roles if I am not correct makes sense.

But aside from this exciting happenings, I cannot believe DGB hasn't been lynched yet. Yosarian, xvart, anyone, what part of her play here has been town. Populartajo made an excellent post showing only four of her inconsistences today, and yet we only have a middling wagon going. This is infuriating. She is cult.

Her logic is terrible. Her 'reason' for voting me after she claims she needs to 'die to help town win' (hehe what??) is plain wrong and illogical. (if there is even a reason)

[Fritzler]

Warning: role speculation here.
Seraphim has hinted that he's a rolecop.
Seraphim is a "junkie", and Ooba is the only other "junkie".
So Ooba has a good chance of also being a rolecop.
Kinetic has claimed to have seen DGb's role PM. Either he's lying about that, or he has a rolecop ability at his faction's command.
The rolecop ability could be innate to the CR's, or kinetic may have recruited Ooba.

Or he could have recruited the other dancer.
Or he could be a lying scumbag.

[ooba]

DGB ~ Hero

DGB mentions Hero as one of the top candidates in #844 but no mention of Hero on D2

In 1637, he speculates I might be cult based on Kinetic's info. Therefore, on some level, he believes Kinetic's info to be true...

Warning: role speculation here.
Seraphim has hinted that he's a rolecop.
Seraphim is a "junkie", and Ooba is the only other "junkie".
So Ooba has a good chance of also being a rolecop.
Kinetic has claimed to have seen DGb's role PM. Either he's lying about that, or he has a rolecop ability at his faction's command.
The rolecop ability could be innate to the CR's, or kinetic may have recruited Ooba.

But when it comes to DGB - on whom Kinetic is actually claiming info - he says "We can vig DGb tonight

if it's really necessary

. During the day, though, let's lynch scum."
1607
Also tries to downplay the DGB lynch in same post - "
It may be best if he simply claims so this stupid town can start voting for actual scum. Most likely, all but six players are currently voting for townies." ..

[ThAdmiral]

Did someone call Cobblerfone out on his bulletproof claim, BEFORE he volunteered said information? If so, then he's highly unlikely to be the recruit. Butchering a claim is not a scumtell.

To be fair it can be, but I don't think it is in this case.

vote: magisterludi

this vote will only come off if you can explain better than you have been why you think seraphim might be lying.

That being said...

A. Targeted Yos last night and
B. Found out information

I can confirm A and mostly confirm B. There is the off-chance I was roleblocked but I don't think I was.

What? Either you were roleblocked and got no information, or you got information. How can you not be sure?

[bvoigt]

I'm only interested in lynching Cobble or DGB today. I believe both are lying cultbags.

If DGB is cult how is she lying if she literally said she's cult?

This is a terrible twisting of words. What difference does it make?

[Kinetic]

You know what would be smart? A mass claim. That way you guys will KNOW all the power roles, and instead of using them to help you, be so paranoid and kill them all off .

[Herodotus]

In 1637, he speculates I might be cult based on Kinetic's info. Therefore, on some level, he believes Kinetic's info to be true...

I do think there is a reasonable chance that kinetic was telling the truth and that he truthfully described DGb's role.

Do you believe that kinetic doesn't know DGb's role?

Also tries to downplay the DGB lynch in same post

That's a fair point. I haven't been very definitive on whether DGb is town or scum; that's because I feel unsure about her. When I said she can be vigged "if it's really necessary", I meant if people are confident that she's scum, then she can be killed tonight. The hordes of vigilantes have my permission, for what it's worth. If she's town, that will save us a mislynch, and if she's scum, that will eliminate her. But we aren't lynching her; we're lynching one of flameaxe, fritzler, ooba, porochaz, or populartajo.

VOTE: porochaz

[Cobblerfone]

This is a terrible twisting of words. What difference does it make?

I was just being a smart-alec.

To whoever asked, I am trying to get as little information as possible from Seraphim and piece together my own role with what flay is telling me (note, he is being insanely cryptic) because its rather complex if Seraphim is in fact lying and if he is and I claim I want it to be a for sure scum lynch.

What makes you think Seraphim is lying? What is it in his claim that is inconsistent with what you know? Keep in mind that you might want to take the possibility of gambits into consideration. If your information doesn't prove he's lying even after you think it through, then there is no need to explain.

[Fritzler]

A. Targeted Yos last night and
B. Found out information

I can confirm A and mostly confirm B. There is the off-chance I was roleblocked but I don't think I was.

What? Either you were roleblocked and got no information, or you got information. How can you not be sure?

This is a pretty flavorful game, I wouldn't be that surprised.