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[PeregrineV]

The stack of pancakes is right. We are 5 days in or so, votes should be as decided by the voter. Day ends max of July8, earlier if mod-shortened.

@Earworm- reading your iso doesn't reveal you as scum or town to me. I'll have to go back and look at the cases on you to see if there's anything there or if they're crap.

@Surye- Whatever. Let's see how long you can coast on that until someone else calls you out.

[earworm]

But seriously people. If you don't want to vote, give me suspicions at least. Who do you think might be scum, who do you think might be town? You people are acting like this is the beginning of the game and there's nothing to go on. We have a full day behind us. Use it.

Nothing is going to happen if people don't do stuff.

[Cobblerfone]

But seriously people. If you don't want to vote, give me suspicions at least. Who do you think might be scum, who do you think might be town? You people are acting like this is the beginning of the game and there's nothing to go on. We have a full day behind us. Use it.

Since your pressing so hard for it why don't you give yours first? The only living player you've commented on today is myself I do believe.

[Surye]

@Surye- Whatever. Let's see how long you can coast on that until someone else calls you out.

Ironic coming from the guy who has yet to post a single vote. And the only player you have posted about was... who... oh yea, the guy who is calling you out. Other than a total null read on earworm.

Time for you to start playing.

[earworm]

Town
Ironhead
TheMask

Town-ish
Vezo
Surye
Nocmen
Sorasgoof

Null
Amrun
Peregrine

Scummy
Jily
Pine

Scum
C-Worl
Cobblerphone

[jilynne1991]

OMG YOU GUYS I'M SOOOOO SORRY, ok, I'll get caught up tomorrow, since I'm at starbucks and the stupid verizon people screwed up our internet and since we moved and all that I only have internet at starbucks, which is like 2 miles away, and lugging a laptop there kind of sucks. They're coming tomorrow though, and I'll get caught up really soon! Thanks for not replacing me out. I AM SO SORRRYYYY!!!!! Anyways, it's summer for me now, but my dad's like a control freak, so I can't go on after he gets home, so I only have like 11 hours a day. I'm SOOOO HAPPY TO GET INTERNET SOON. YAYYYYYYY

[Cobblerfone]

@earworm: Mind explaining your reads? Perhaps with an example of what makes you think who's what?

[Empking]

Vote Count 22

Cobblerfone (2) - earworm, vezokprika
Pine
Nocmen
TheMask
Quilford
Surye
jilynne1991
vezokprika
earworm (5) - Ironhead, Pine, Nocmen, Cobblerfone, TheMask
C-Worl
PeregrineV (1) - Surye
Ironhead
sorasgoof

Not Voting: Quilford, jilynne1991 C-Worl, PeregrineV, sorasgoof

With 13 alive, its 7 to lynch.

[earworm]

I'll explain my scumreads. Town reads I will not however. (not protown, imo)

First off switch Jily and C-Worl on my list. Got them confuzzled for a bit.

Cobbler-Same reason as yesterday plus suspicious and opportunistic vote on me today.
Jily-Hated her vote on DK yesterday. Tried to justify it way too much.

Pine-Didn't like the interaction he had with C-worl. I also think his reason for voting me is terrible.
C-worl-Didnt like the interaction with Pine. Also not playing very protown. Lurky and unhelpful.

[Nocmen]

I'll explain my scumreads. Town reads I will not however. (not protown, imo)

First off switch Jily and C-Worl on my list. Got them confuzzled for a bit.

Cobbler-Same reason as yesterday plus suspicious and opportunistic vote on me today.
Jily-Hated her vote on DK yesterday. Tried to justify it way too much.

Pine-Didn't like the interaction he had with C-worl. I also think his reason for voting me is terrible.
C-worl-Didnt like the interaction with Pine. Also not playing very protown. Lurky and unhelpful.

I realyl don't like the interaction cases with C-worl/Pine, seems a bit weak. I agree with the Cobbler reasoning, and I'm somewhat suspicious of Jily.

But, I want to hear at least some of your town reads. You can't just go with the popular scum targets, and ignore everyone else.

[vezokpiraka]

Yeah. earworm is scum.

unvote
vote earworm

He is voting Cobblerfone hoping to get a bigger wagon going.

[earworm]

Claiming: Hider.

Ironhead is town.

[Ironhead]

Claiming: Hider.

Ironhead is town.

Pending a counter-claim:

UNVOTE: EARWORM
VOTE: VEZOKPIRAKA (for poor placement and weak reasoning on the earworm wagon)

Anyone who counterclaims ought to also announce who he/she hid with last night and can thus confirm as town.

[Pine]

Why did you hide behind Ironhead?

[Nocmen]

I believe the claim and the motivation of Iron as his target.

Unvote

[earworm]

Why did you hide behind Ironhead?

Decent chance that he was town and I like his use of logic. Good person to have confirmed.

[Cobblerfone]

UNVOTE: earworm

Hider is tricky. It's the only role that doesn't reveal itself when it's killed at night. He could have agreed with my theory of CMAR being the hider and decided it was a decent chance.

[PeregrineV]

Post 536

Claiming: Hider.

Ironhead is town.

Post 539

I believe the claim and the motivation of Iron as his target.

Unvote

Post 540

Decent chance that he was town and I like his use of logic. Good person to have confirmed.

@Nocmen- How could you like it when he hadn't even given it yet?

Vote: Nocmen

[earworm]

UNVOTE: earworm

Hider is tricky. It's the only role that doesn't reveal itself when it's killed at night. He could have agreed with my theory of CMAR being the hider and decided it was a decent chance.

explain what you mean here.

I'm just not understanding.

[Nocmen]

Post 536

Claiming: Hider.

Ironhead is town.

Post 539

I believe the claim and the motivation of Iron as his target.

Unvote

Post 540

Decent chance that he was town and I like his use of logic. Good person to have confirmed.

@Nocmen- How could you like it when he hadn't even given it yet?

Vote: Nocmen

Because that's the read I had on iron. He is leaning town to me.
What is your read of Iron?

[PeregrineV]

@Nocmen- I have Iron leaning town, as I'd already Isoed him.

But, you didn't say that that was also your read on Iron. You said you "believe the claim (Earworm's claim) and the motivation (Earworm's motivation) of Iron as his target". But Earworm didn't give that until after your post.

[Surye]

Claim is believable, and I've been leaning town on Iron all game, have said so, and believe that was a good hider target.

I knew I didn't like this earworm wagon. Or the first Cobbler vote on Iron.

My vote is still good where it is, everyone should take a good look at PeregrineV.

pedit: The motivation is OBVIOUSLY due to a town read. If nocmen thought iron was town, and earworm's OBVIOUS motivation was thinking he was town, what's wrong with what nocmen said? You're barking up the wrong tree there PeregrineV.

[Cobblerfone]

Peregrine you are reaching.

Peregrine as a replacement, what are your thoughts on the rest of the players?

explain what you mean here.

I'm just not understanding.

*shrug* just pointing out the facts of a hider claim, and my own random thoughts.

[Nocmen]

@Nocmen- I have Iron leaning town, as I'd already Isoed him.

But, you didn't say that that was also your read on Iron. You said you "believe the claim (Earworm's claim) and the motivation (Earworm's motivation) of Iron as his target". But Earworm didn't give that until after your post.

So if you think he's town, then do you agree that if you were the hider, you'd say he was a good target to pick? Because that's exactly what I did. Stop grasping at straws.

[Pine]

No. Iron was a terrible pick.

Hiders are weak investigative roles. You don't hide behind your Town reads, you don't hide behind your scum reads. You investigate a null read to get information and a clear.

Hiding behind a Town read is purely self-preserving, and gains the Town nothing.