Newbie 1116 -- Game Over

[Workdawg]

I agree with Grimm... this whole discussion has me confused as hell.

[Cobblerfone]

What does this have anything to do with you? He mentioned you as a potential scumbuddy, but his reference was as to his "I'll explain" was towards why bigAl has been creeping up in his suspicions.

Reasons for voting the Fonz:

Miss JJ's "just because I was scum in a past game doesn't mean I will this time"
The Fonz didn't explain why he thought Tomie, bigAl, and I might be scum.

It turns out that the Fonz is GOING to explain why. Thus the unvote. Or are you saying I only voted him because of some kind of warped OMGUS?

[Grimmjow]

I'm just saying that your reasoning for voting the Fonz is very... weak. And then you turn around and unvote him but didn't really explain why, and I didn't understand what you were saying. But seriously, you're rational for voting the Fonz over Workdawg is really sketchy. I'm not saying Workdawg is scum, I'm just saying that you have explained more reasons to vote him then you have the Fonz. It just didn't make sense to me.

[bluepokemon1234]

VOTE: cy

[Cobblerfone]

I'm just saying that your reasoning for voting the Fonz is very... weak. And then you turn around and unvote him but didn't really explain why, and I didn't understand what you were saying. But seriously, you're rational for voting the Fonz over Workdawg is really sketchy. I'm not saying Workdawg is scum, I'm just saying that you have explained more reasons to vote him then you have the Fonz. It just didn't make sense to me.

All will be revealed on day two. Unless I'm killed, but it won't matter if I am.

PREDIT:

Would you care to explain that vote?

@Cymru, don't just skim by. Try to contribute please. Have you gotten a complete list of reads yet with reasons? You can start there at least. Especially your reads of Workdawg, Fonz, and me.

[Cobblerfone]

Actually, since blue is online that part directed at Cymru can apply to him as well.

[bluepokemon1234]

cy is scum and ve is town this day is boring and i want it to end.

[VisceraEyes]

The days aren't going to get much more exciting I'm afraid, blue. They all consist of 9(-2 per day, hopefully less) people talking to each other in little boxes that don't move fast enough...regardless of who's dying or under suspicion, it's always just going to be that.

[VisceraEyes]

@Tomie
I thought you meant overall...not just at the beginning...sorry about that. He WAS pretty noncommittal at the beginning, but I feel like he's stepped up since then. Do you agree?

@Grimm
What are your initial thoughts on the newcomers? I feel like in spite of her...compulsive insistence?...on absolute clarity, Miss JJ was at least trying to get information out of people and as such, will NOT get my vote today, as Fonz or otherwise. Fonz hasn't struck me as particularly scummy either.

[bluepokemon1234]

asdfjkl;
bump

[bigAl]

Coming to the party late, but reading through Workdawg's posts, I don't see much/any of this "thread padding" (I'm assuming this means just non-relavent filler content?) that the Fonz is talking about.

Regarding Cobblerfone's vote for Fonz: Saying you are suspicious of someone without saying why

can

be beneficial to scum. If say, your scum partner got lynched, you can go back and say "hey look, I thought this guy was scum a long time ago". But he doesn't have to provide any legitimate reasons to why he's scum that might tip of someone else. That being said, I'm agreeing with Workdawg on this one. Why not ask him his reasons?

All will be revealed on day two. Unless I'm killed, but it won't matter if I am.

And if you are killed, don't you think that it would be better to share your reasonings now, while you can? Why hide stuff? That can't be good for the town.

Damn it, cut out the contentless posts, Blue. No need to bump a thread that's less than an hour stale. :(

[Grimmjow]

@Grimm
What are your initial thoughts on the newcomers? I feel like in spite of her...compulsive insistence?...on absolute clarity, Miss JJ was at least trying to get information out of people and as such, will NOT get my vote today, as Fonz or otherwise. Fonz hasn't struck me as particularly scummy either.

Drunk Grimm is drunk. Me thinks I shall post about this tomorrow. But I do have some thoughts on the matter.

[cymru96]

Vote: Bluepokemon

voting for me and only saying that I'm scum without saying why = week. If your scum and hiding it at least give decent reasons for voting mate.

[bluepokemon1234]

my reason beacuse im bored

[Workdawg]

my reason beacuse im bored

/facepalm

Then maybe you could try reading the thread and forming an opinion, since you haven't done that yet... reading the thread should take up many hours of your time by itself. Forming an opinion could takes DAYS at the rate you are going though.

[bigAl]

Sigh. Should we put him out of his boredom? I'm not reading scummy on blue but this is not helpful. (For the record, I say no. If you really don't want to play blue, you can drop out, but don't ruin the game for the rest of us.)

Again, cy is using the easy choice, and using reasoning that I just pointed out two posts back.

[Workdawg]

At this point, it really doesn't look like we'll come to a consensus otherwise.

Blue has made a few suspicious moves, but he definitely seems more newb than scum to me (not ruling out newb scum, of course). I would be on-board with a his lynch IF it avoids a no-lynch. Otherwise I'd prefer to keep up the discussion as long as possible to see if we can't find someone better.

That said, I think it's pretty suspicious that you, of all people, are suggesting this with 6 days to the deadline.

[Cobblerfone]

Why not ask him his reasons?

Voting for it is better than just asking isn't it? Also, I unvoted when he realized that he actually did say he'd reveal why when he got back.

And if you are killed, don't you think that it would be better to share your reasonings now, while you can? Why hide stuff? That can't be good for the town.

I already said that if I get killed it'll have no bearing on it whatsoever.

[VisceraEyes]

Focus guys.

Okay, we have less than a week to come to a consensus on who to lynch. Clearly, no one likes the idea of not lynching. I'm fine with that. Here's my list of people I'd like to lynch, in order of most to least.

bluepokemon1234 - While being useless, he's also being disruptive. I've found his behavior scummy, but not enough for me to think he's scum. I just want him gone.
cymru96 - He hasn't voted for himself. I think given time, cymru will improve (his last vote had a reason..that's a start!)
Workdawg - Of everyone that's older than 13, I think Workdawg is appearing the MOST scummy to me...but not scummy enough to push a vote over the last two. I'd like to see more from Workdawg before I say he's scum. I say he gets at least another day.

[Nobody Special]

Votecount 1.11

bluepokemon1234 - 2 - Workdawg, cymru96
cymru96 - 2 - bigAl, bluepokemon1234
bigAl - 1 - Grimmjow
Workdawg - 1 - The Fonz

Not Voting: Tomie Uzumaki, VisceraEyes, Cobblerfone

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch

Deadline: June 30 -- (expired on 2011-06-30 11:00:00)

V/LA: The Fonz, until (expired on 2011-06-24 14:30:00)

[VisceraEyes]

Okay, in the name of no longer being in the 'Not Voting' line,

VOTE: bluepokemon1234

Barring some kind of scum-claim, and unless someone can provide sufficient reason for switching, this is my final vote.

[VisceraEyes]

I just realized I voted with the other two people on my lynch-list XD...c'est la vie I guess.

[Workdawg]

That last exchange between Cobbler and I has still has me a bit confused. I went back and reread it, and I just don't know.

One thing I did notice though is this.

(snip)

I think his partner is probably CF or Tomie, although BigAl is creeping up in my suspicions lately.

This bugs me. Particularly the part about bigAl. Not sure why. It's kind of off.

I'll read your meta while you're away.

Just to get a feel for your style.

Oh wow, CF is me. I've never seen my screenname abreviated like that. lol.

I'll explain why when I get back from the 36 hrs V/LA which begins as of now.

Woops missed this.

UNVOTE: The Fonz

So, in 630 he acknowledged reading that Fonz would be v/la, but in 648, he says he didn't realize Fonz was going to explain himself after he got back from v/la?

@Cobbler

Did you accidentally not read the part about him explaining himself the first time around or what?

Overall, that exchange just gives me the impression that Cobbler OMGUS'd Fonz and then started back pedalling when I called him out on it. Not to mention the fact that he seems to be flailing around a bit on his read on me. Take a look at these quotes in chronological order...

@Fonz: I'm glad we agree on Workdawg. (snip)

Workdawg concerns me because in addition to the thread padding, he's voted you- who I think is pretty obvtown - plus the two 'playstyle' wagons. That doesn't overly suggest to me a player who's really making an effort to identify town and scum.

Agreed.
(snip)

(snip)

Wait, you agree with this? That I'm "padding" the thread, or about my votes? Examples please.

Sorry, I agree that you don't seem to be making much of an effort to identify town or scum. (I disagree about the padding.)

(which he does acknowledge isn't always a scum tell, in 645)

Workdawg's #634 doesn't sound good to me. Since we're running lower on time I guess I'll vote now and if his meta change's my mind I'll unvote:

VOTE: The Fonz

I call him out... then all of the sudden...

(snip)

He replaced Miss JJ remember? I agree you were suspicious. But now I'm less sure, I agree with him that you are doing what he says you are doing, not that you are scum. Though you might be and I might vote for you tomorrow. It depends.

I'll explain why when I get back from the 36 hrs V/LA which begins as of now.

Woops missed this.

unvote The Fonz

[Grimmjow]

I don't think that voting Blue right now is a good idea. If it gets closer to the deadline and we don't have any real potential scum-suspects, then yeah, get rid of him rather than go into no lynch. But I don't think getting rid of a potential townie is a good idea right now, regardless of how shitty they're playing.

[Cobblerfone]

@Cobbler Did you accidentally not read the part about him explaining himself the first time around or what?

As unbelievable as it sounds, yeah I missed that part. My read on you is swingy. VERY swingy.