Mini 1194: Reverse Mafia [Game Over]

[AntB]

VOTE: Parama

I remember you being a pain in the scums ass.

[AntB]

For the sake of fair voting, I am not going to participate in RVS.

I haven't yet seen a single random vote.

[AntB]

Not liking all these "I am town" people... bobsnox won't be revived by me any time soon either.

[AntB]

Phone/minimal post

@Slaxx
Do you believe I'm town? Answer that and you answer your own question.
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I love how I keep appearing at the bottom of peoples scumlists. It usually seems to be when I've only made a handful of posts too.
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Day 0 No revive: Awesoma, ToastyToast

[AntB]

VOTE: Parama

Not reviving: bobsnox, awesoma, toastytoast.
I could be convinced for anyone else.

[AntB]

I'm holding off until wredfar has contributed before continuing.

[AntB]

@bobsknox
uh... he's already been revived. Your post is null.

My vote will probably go on to packbat currently (still waiting for wredfar to post before voting.)

[AntB]

Mod: Can we get a poke on wredfar? He is the only player who has yet to post anything.

[AntB]

meh, now we have to wait for a replacement...

VOTE: Packbat
Replacement can contribute later.

He'll need read time and all that ¬_¬

[AntB]

I'm holding off until wredfar has contributed before continuing.

Actually, this is a game where lurkers don't really hurt as much. We don't revive them, and there's a great chance for reviving someone else besides.

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My vote will probably go on to packbat currently (still waiting for wredfar to post before voting.)

Why will your vote go on packbat? You haven't said anything about him.

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I was going to ask AntB on what he was holding off at post #125 (I was worried he was going to exempt himself from contributing), but post #135 answers that question.

And leaves many more questions unanswered.

1. Nothing wrong with waiting for the last person to contribute - especially as one player (can't remember who) was turning up the heat on him
   
2. I didn't say much about about the other players I've voted to revive either.
   
3. I must've missed the unanswered questions. Care to ask them again?

[AntB]

I didn't say much about about the other players I've voted to revive either.

That's not an excuse. That just makes me like you less.

I must've missed the unanswered questions. Care to ask them again?

They were the questions I asked already.

Who said it was an excuse?
I must be blind, I can't find any questions directed at me in your ISO before that post.

[AntB]

AntB is putting himself away of the game. Like he did on #125, #135, #144 and #157 are really funny to see as a whole. Very similar to crypto.

From that I assume you mean I am either distancing myself from, or delaying the game; and that I am very scummy.

Distancing, no; Delaying, yes. I didn't want to go to D1 with a player MIA. If that scores me as scum, fair enough.

Still waiting for Paramas questions I've missed...

[AntB]

which is why I'd consider putting myself out as a third candidate

lolnomination.

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In other news I'll jump to Bub vote if needs be.

[AntB]

There aren't any big news, so I will stick to my

D1

D0 reads.

This is D1 dude, and you have the first post of the day FTFY anyways lol

[AntB]

I've gotta admit, how can killing anyone in limbo any time soon cause insta-lose? If its left until later on then it could cause a problem...

[AntB]

Looking at the alternate wincon, the ability is best not used at all IMO.

Lackin much else to comment on.

[AntB]

out of the limbo players, malpascap. gut more than anything.

[AntB]

Other than myself, I guess AntB? I really don't trust anyone else tho.

Really? Why?

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I'm for a bub revival, alternate option would be malpascp

[AntB]

Hey long time since I've seen MrTrow

malspascp just slipped way down my list... x.x

[AntB]

Paramas explanation of toastys townslip makes sense. Mals slips more...

[AntB]

(down the scale)

[AntB]

I'm good with either of bub or Toasty being revived... despite peoples attempt at a mindfuck over the town tell.

[AntB]

Someone hammer TT pl0x.

kiwieagle is pushing the WIFOM angle too much. Sure there is a WIFOM aspect, but its practically non-existent given the context and how natural it seemed.

[AntB]

spongebob bewbs face is always awesome, no matter the situation.

[AntB]

ugh.... my head is filled with mod wifom...


only living players can action at night, someone has prevented SC from being revived... x.x

[AntB]

ok thats all peachy then... I hope... pom hammer is fine imo.

[AntB]

kiwi and bob make me facepalm...

[AntB]

I wouldn't say obvscum.., there's always a framing possibility.

[AntB]

re-read of pom in iso leaves me wondering actually... :s

[AntB]

Townie

with nothin special about me at all.

Will post thoughts after everyone has claimed.

[AntB]

List of Claims & Roles

1. Parama, Townie, killed Night 3

2. bobsnox: One-Shot Town Purger

3. Slaxx, Town Summoner, died Day 1

4. IceGuy: Townie

5. Packbat: Strong-Spirited Townie

6. Pomegranate: VT

7. ToastyToast: Jinxer

8. kiwieagle, Townie, modkilled Day 2

9. Bub Bidderskins: 'nilla

10. AntB: Townie

11. malpascp: Townie

12. StrangerCoug: Townie

13. MrTrow

Packbat is town, reviver would be OP scum imo
Bobsnox I'm unsure of, purger seems to me like it could be balanced for either side, scum take out a possible town PR, town commit harikiri on a wincon. The fact CDB won't reveal its affect on the wincon makes me wonder more...
TT being jinxer in consideration makes me think town, unless there is a lylo restriction on it...

[AntB]

If packbat is fake claiming then he's done a good job.

[AntB]

Mobile posting sucks, you miss pages... I'll post more later.

Looking at the modkill, I believe that purging will stop us fulfilling the all town revived wincon.

Pedit - interested in the link between me and bob

[AntB]

@MrTrow
What CDB said. I got that from the "I will ignore him for the purposes of the "all town players revived" win condition" part of the modkill.

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From what I see in CDBs last message, we must have some sort of vigilante or sleeper vigilante who either doesn't know or isn't claiming.

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If Bob is revived, his power should be at towns control and used as a limbo lynch. I'm not wanting him to be revived any time soon however.

[AntB]

@MrTrow

on the second: absolutely not: the (most probable) reason this answer was not given first time it was asked was because it was formulated in a way that an answer (doesn`t matter which one) would imply whether or not bob`s role would exist. I formulated the question (at least tried to) so it could be answered without revealing anything about the roles involved. If your conclusion could logically be drawn from this answer, it would not have been given.
Assuming all powers town has have been claimed, situation B would occur (town cannot kill so town will be killed) empty limbo with a bob-misfire results in a scum-win.

If a Day phase comes when there are no players in Limbo and no win condition has yet been fulfilled, one of two things will happen:

A) The game will continue with 1-week Day phases in which there will be no vote, only discussion, until a win condition is resolved in the Night phase.

B) If, at that stage, nothing can prevent a win condition being fulfilled in the future, the game will be ended under that win condition.

This is where I get my thoughts on the vig/sleeper vig from.

[AntB]

@AntB:
I see where your idea comes from, but:
- why would the vig not claim during the massclaim? (reasonably answered with sleeper-vig suggestion)
- why would a mod who refused to answer pretty much the same question before (probably because it was formulated to imply whether or not bob`s role exists) start implying roles?
- how does (given town doesn`t have a real vig) the presented situation B (the standard: or if nothing can prevent the same) not resolve the situation
- the mechanics are 'under development' , an all-covering solution for something that wasn`t considered before seems pretty reasonable (in fact i would be surprised if the next wiki-update would not include these 2 rules)

- If I was a vig, I wouldn't claim it until I was revived, even during massclaim.
- The answer given is ambiguous enough to not show if bob if fakeclaiming or not, yet provides sufficient doubt throw on to possible town PRs
- If we lack a killing role of some description, situation A will never happen, defaulting to B

[AntB]

a "sleeper vig" sounds like a very strange concept

Not when you're used to playing with Ascetic Secret Admirer Twin

Though, on the other hand, it's strange that town seems to have absolutely no means to kill a living player.

Exactly.

Still, chasing this will get us nowhere.

[AntB]

methinks malpascap is looking for the wrong kind of people... Why so keen to flush out FC'ing town dude?

[AntB]

proddodge.

I'm not still happy with a bobsknox revive people..

[AntB]

revive should have happened by now, this day has stalled beyond rescue methinks...

I also think scum hold enough of the votes to force a scum revive and/or win outright tomorrow.

[AntB]

- #902+(AntB): lets play under the assumption we have a lying townie

- #984(AntB): 'uhm.. lets just give up and let scum win'

Misrep much.

#902 I never said anything even close to that. I said based on CBDs message, we have some form of sleeping role who either isn't aware or isn't claiming. My thoughts != "everyone assume extra town PR and go from there"

#984 The game had stalled and it had been going that way for a while, the fact 2 votes seem to be in scum hands currently means either they can force a scum revive (no revive isn't possible) possibly win it outright tomorrow. I believe we may be in a stalemate.

@Mod: What happens if 2 players hold an equal majority of votes at the deadline?

[AntB]

So you did say:
'according to mod-provided information we have another PR'
You did not say:
'we should assume an extra town-PR'?

Could you please point out the misrep in the above or explain how either:
- a PR that should allow a non-instant town victory after 'empty-limbo' would be a scum PR ('all townies revived' is either not possible or instant, 'half of town alive at single point' in a situation where there will be no more revives is also impossible or instant, so which scum-PR would contribute to 'all-scum-dead')
- players should work based on mod-provided info could be incorrect

- #902+(AntB): lets play under the assumption we have a lying townie

From what I see in CDBs last message, we must have some sort of vigilante or sleeper vigilante who either doesn't know or isn't claiming.

In no way do I say we should continue under the assumption that we should play as though we have those kinds of roles. I say we must have those kinds of roles based on what was said, however, this puts us in a game of out guess the mod as it wasn't specifically said. The only real information we have to work off are our own roles, reads and claims.

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bleh... I really don't want a bob revive but it does look like the only real option..

[AntB]

All of a sudden I find myself supporting a bob revive for shooting bub... then again, malps has had enough chance to respond to the various things in front of him...

mapls shot seems better to me right now

[AntB]

Like I said, town was in an unwinnable position... gg guys.

[AntB]

However, I think that if scum isn't revived D0, it often becomes very obvious if scum is revived later, because of the NK.

Not really, scum no kills if revived N0 and frames the next person.

[AntB]

I feel it worked well.I'd definitely play again (and hopefully be more active).

Even if scum was revived N0, all they have to do is sumbit a no kill and people would probably go along believing they are conf town. It goes for any night really.