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Post Post #300 (ISO) » Sat Jun 25, 2011 9:35 am

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GhostWriter wrote:If I hear one more person use this bullshit "he plays like he's new" excuse, I'm voting them. He's played at least 7 games, mostly themed. On the archives if you care to actually look. Which I did before voting. He knows how to play. It's not newb mistakes, it's scummy behavior.


That too. I'm pretty sure I've played a game with him before a while ago.
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Post Post #301 (ISO) » Sat Jun 25, 2011 9:39 am

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Post Post #302 (ISO) » Sat Jun 25, 2011 9:44 am

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JOURNAL'S END wrote:36. Lobster votes Nocmen.

37. OMG CJ THINKS NOCMEN IS TOWN @ 159 WAT. PLOT MOLASSES!

38. CJ please teach me why Nocmen is town because WTF he is scum. Also do not vote Lobster for voting scum that is cruel.

39. HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM Amrun doesn't like Lobster for being her wagonfriend. This is not very natural IMO. :cry:

40. Ace is a philosopher stargazer (163).

ZeL: Why is Stevie posting good?
Ace: ALLOW ME TO TELL A STORY ABOUT THE SCUM: BLAHBLAHBLAH. Also, voting people is to make them move like puppets rather than to lynch scumz IMHO.

41. I could see Stevie-Amrun with Stevie bussing possibly (@ 171). His suspicion for her earlier was like 95% drawn from the aether. (Sorry @ my girlfriend; is not yr fault.)

EDIT: Except that whining about people voting with you is a real scumtell SOOO yeah. :(

AMRUN CHANGE YOUR WINCON BACK.

42. I guess that answers my question about the rest of the hydra...gosh...Ludi's in all the fancy hydras these days...

43. I bet I know who GreyICE is going to claim. ^^~

2ND CRUM BTW ;)

44. I am happy that my predecessor finally posted and didn't say anything stupid. <3 THANK YOU
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45. OK I confess to basically not reading Nocmen's 177. Please make posts that are not so impossible to read THANKS.

I AM AWARE THAT I AM MAKING THIS MONSTROSITY.

46. OK, so I read said post and it is basically questions that I doubt he will follow up on and characterizations like "flailin." I mean it's directed at Stevie and still doesn't do much for me.

NOCMEN IF YOU ARE TOWN AND STEVIE IS SCUM WITH AMRUN PLEASE BECOME MORE TOWN.

47. Kast discredits Ace for "forcing Kast out of his comfort zone" without any reasoning. This rubs me the wrong way because I could totally see this as scumKast-in-comfort-zone.

I am interpreting TOO MUCH scum->scum violence this game. Somethin's gotta give.

48. SX is LERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRKAN and I think he was doing it actively but I am not very good at maths (@ 181).

49. Lobster made me lolirl @ 184.

50. Stevie is lord of scum in 186. The LINGERING fake focus on Amrun, etc. just seems totally insincere. I'd vote for him if I didn't sneak a peak and see that he's at like L-2 already or something.

51. Is Lobster's "just like physics" simile is an intentional allusion to Ace's silly post from earlier? I will assume it is and giggle again (@ 188).

Also, is that a Zhen Ji avatar?

52. Pome says that her scummy post was meant to be scummy...? I guess (190)? Am misremembering?

53. Ah, nevermind. Vollkan clarifies the above in 192. It's about Amrun's attitude toward that post.

54. Starbuck totally ignores what's going on and votes Stevie (195). Scummy? Time will tell!

55. Something happened to SX in 202! PLOT THICKNESS.

56. SX's 219 seems...I mean, it wouldn't make sense for scum to just be able to redirect whole lynches...unless he's thinking it's linked SPECIFICALLY to Stevie.

57. OK, Amrun's townread on Stevie is now weirder than weird @223. Stronger than I would've expected.

58.
Antifinity wrote:I can't help but feel Amrun is being legit. I'll still be suspicious if Stevie flips town though.

This makes no sense in two halves.

59. Amrun's #227 is the opposite of sensible. Again, it's HOW DARE SOMEONE WAGON WITH ME.

60. I've gotta at least admire Ace for sticking to his guns in 231 re: VOTES ARE TOOLS.

61. Actually agree with Pome's 240.

62. Lobster being suspicious of Amrun makes sense to me given circumstances, BUT I am surprised at the specific reasons.

63. I echo Lobster's 255.

64. Oh man. Kast's 266 is so pretty and nicely-organized that it almost makes all my bad feelings go away.

65. OMG TAJO <3 BE MINE <3 I NEED A NEW LOVER S/P AMRUN PERHAPS BEING SCUM. :cry:

66. I agree with tajo's first few pages 100%. Not sure why he votes a non-player like drew when there are so many high-profile weirdos amuck. Whatever.

I think those reads still make sense on page 5, so that part's OK, too.

67. Kast's post "alleviating doubts" for Amrun (274) can only be viewed with suspicion when she is basically his own town read (i.e. one of few).

68. Nocmen does not understand why Kast is scummy (275). Jury is out on what this means.

On reflection, I notice that Kast doesn't actually have GreyICE down as scummy in his summary post. So that's a point in his favor re: the thing I thought I noticed earlier.

69. SX describes an angel attack in 283, probably based on that halo-y one that attacks Asuka near the end of the series. At least one faction is probably the Angels. I would not be surprised if SEELE were another faction. I'm really interested to see how Kaworu is used. /spec that I can't hold back any longer.

It's a little weird that the effects of the "intrusion" are unknown...

70.
CJ wrote:At risk of answering for another player, there are two kinds of players that tend to play below capacity. One of those categories is Mafia. Given something I spotted earlier in the thread, however, I'm pretty sure that Nocmen instead fits firmly into the second category, especially since that second possibility is also a very good explanation for another thing that Nocmen has done this game (and a bit of mod meta negates the most obvious objection to that possible explanation) - and that second category is very, very firmly town.

This made me lol. Also: I'll take your word for it for now....

New development is mainly that Amrun is scummy. :cry:
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Post Post #303 (ISO) » Sat Jun 25, 2011 10:08 am

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TOWN
GreyICE -- Obv
CandleJack -- I trust him.
tajo -- I need commentary on the remainder of the game, though.
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SpyreX -- I ALMOST wanna put him in Neutral for lerkan, though. <_< WHEN I AM REDUCED TO THIS, GOD.
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Pomegranate -- I see big tells both ways, but the town ones are winning out atm. This one can be analyzed in light of flips later on.


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Antifinity -- I actually think he's pretty scummy, but I feel like I have too many scumreads. At least, I never have any idea where he's coming from. Maybe scum if the game is on its head.
Starbuck -- Main game-related activity I can recall is supporting the Stevie wagon with blinders on. Likelier scum if Stevie is town.
Ace -- There's a detachment to his posts that are easy to play off of a scum role PM. I dunno whether this is par for the course, though; no playing-with since Kingdom Hearts ages ago.
drew -- Blah. Blah. I can't even remember anything he did, except once when he unvoted Ace for reasons that still make no sense to me.
ZeL -- His posts are actually pretty sensible, but nothing to put him above
GhostWriterMotorcycleHero -- Par for the course.
LobsterCatapult -- Not scum with Amrun. But kinda scummy? But not really? Neutral.


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malthusis -- I remember having opinions about one of this player's posts, but I forgot them, so they must've been pretty weak opinions. All I know about him is replacing him in Kingdom Hearts years ago...


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Amrun -- Gets scumreads on people who wagon with her, unexplained Stevie townread, bizarre Stevie attack on her. Also, I really like Amrun, so I think me having scum feelings on her doesn't bode well.
Nocmen -- BUT I get weird relational towntells. BUT he makes crappy cases (re: Kast). And scummy ones (re: GreyICE)
Ace -- I guess. Maybe he's Neutral? I am putting him there.

Stevie -- He lives in a fantasy world. But is that where scum live? I guess mainly if Amrun lives there? The recent disappearance doesn't do much for me.
Kast -- It's no stretch at all to me for this to be the scum variant of the standard strategy I see Kast employ. In particular, I think his attitude toward GreyICE doing shenanigans is dissonant with how he tends to behave when I do the same.
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Post Post #304 (ISO) » Sat Jun 25, 2011 10:16 am

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Iecerint wrote:
drew -- Blah. Blah. I can't even remember anything he did, except once when he unvoted Ace for reasons that still make no sense to me.

SCUM
Kast -- It's no stretch at all to me for this to be the scum variant of the standard strategy I see Kast employ. In particular, I think his attitude toward GreyICE doing shenanigans is dissonant with how he tends to behave when I do the same.


First, I'm pretty sure that was my RVS vote, so...

What's the standard strategy you see Kast employ, and could you talk about how this could be a scum variant of that? I think this could be useful.
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Post Post #305 (ISO) » Sat Jun 25, 2011 10:18 am

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Amrun wrote:ITT I have a gay boyfriend <3

Interested in hearing what Stevie has to say, but stop with the Stevie votes. Nocmen votes are sooo much sexier.


Two giant, gaping problems with this post.

1) "Interested in hearing" but "stop Stevie votes". Yeah no, that's scum trying to stop the wagon/positioning for the bus if I ever saw it. (Ironically, she's not 100% wrong about stopping Stevie votes

2) More importantly, Amrun just made it abundantly clear that she doesn't actually care about Nocmen's alignment - she just wants him lynched. That's not town behavior.

If it wasn't for the fact I don't want the Stevie wagon to die without further Stevie posts (preferably including a claim), I would be voting Amrun right now. As it is,
HoS with extreme prejudice: Amrun


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In other news, nobody else vote for Stevie until he's posted at least once more (or lurked to the point of needing replacement).

Stevie: There are more than 10 players alive. You are at L-2 There is a player who has promised to hammer should you reach L-1. Claim or else.

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Where the hell are ani and malthusis?

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Post Post #306 (ISO) » Sat Jun 25, 2011 10:49 am

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I would've been ADDING my vote to Ace around that time, so the unvote seemed very weird. I don't know what the point of RVS is (well, there's still SOME point, but) if you remove said votes as a matter of principle.

My finished-game experience with Kast is just the original Brave and the Beautiful. He was very into set-up/mechanic analysis, very into kind of addressing all points of view and consolidating them, but also a little bit detached from the X v. Y elements of the game. This game, he's still doing that, but enough of his analysis seems motivated to support theses that I don't think are very plausible that I am suspicious. I think I highlight a couple of examples through my readthrough, one fairly early on. The big one for me is his attitude toward GreyICE this game. I'm SLIGHTLY appeased by his eventual agnosticism with regard to his alignment, but only just.
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Post Post #307 (ISO) » Sat Jun 25, 2011 10:50 am

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Iecerint wrote:
SCUM
Kast -- It's no stretch at all to me for this to be the scum variant of the standard strategy I see Kast employ. In particular, I think his attitude toward GreyICE doing shenanigans is dissonant with how he tends to behave when I do the same.

Wait, he doesn't normally react that way when you do it, but is now taking offense with GI doing it?
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Post Post #308 (ISO) » Sat Jun 25, 2011 11:08 am

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Ice wrote:56. SX's 219 seems...I mean, it wouldn't make sense for scum to just be able to redirect whole lynches...unless he's thinking it's linked SPECIFICALLY to Stevie.


You crazyface lets delve into a little meta for a second you FIRSTHAND should know that that paranoia isn't absolutely unfounded sheesh.

All in all though A++ would read again (and I did actually read it).

And I'm reaaaallly not lurking as much as covered in bees all the time; however, all that's done is make it so I can't give my case(s) yet but that is moot because I'm hammering Stewie and then he's flipping scum and ace is getting a bullet in the dome tonight and also flipping scum.
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Post Post #309 (ISO) » Sat Jun 25, 2011 1:50 pm

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Aw, my heart is broken.

I can understand most of your interpretation and generally agree with it.

I think you are misunderstanding my intent in a couple of posts, but that's okay for now. What is important is you are town.

It's going to take me awhile to fully process that infodump, but for now, I am confused on your stance on Lobster, which is relevant to my interests. Can you elucidate, please?
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Post Post #310 (ISO) » Sat Jun 25, 2011 2:09 pm

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I just got back from the beach, re-reading everything. I'm not going to claim until the 8 or so players who haven't really posted or just got subbed into the game post their thoughts. If that's so scummy then lynch me. I'll post some more detailed thoughts on who else i think is scummy either later tonight or tomorrow.
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Post Post #311 (ISO) » Sat Jun 25, 2011 2:32 pm

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"Hi guys, I'm 'town' but don't wanna give info despite the fact that it's obvious that one more vote will put me in the position to not give info. That's helpful townie play, right? Why do you guys find me scummy again?"
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Post Post #312 (ISO) » Sat Jun 25, 2011 3:22 pm

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OKAY SO

Had a minor revelation while re-reading some things.

Candle Jack, I think I saw what you saw.

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Post Post #313 (ISO) » Sat Jun 25, 2011 3:36 pm

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Got a prod, will try to get something up today...
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Post Post #314 (ISO) » Sat Jun 25, 2011 4:10 pm

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Amrun wrote:Vpom, I'd like to see your response to Kast.


Please specify.

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Post Post #315 (ISO) » Sat Jun 25, 2011 4:20 pm

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Kast's big post with a little section that says "Pomegranate." ...
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Post Post #316 (ISO) » Sat Jun 25, 2011 4:22 pm

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Day 1 - Vote Count #12

Amrun (1)
- animorpherv1
Kawaii (0)
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GreyICE (2)
- malthusis, StevieT92
Antifinity (0)
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Candle Jack (0)
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populartajo (0)
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Iecerint (0)
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Nocmen (3)
- LobsterCatapult, ace5993, Kast
Surye (0)
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Celebloki (0)
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malthusis (0)
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Starbuck (0)
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ace5993 (0)
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drewoftherushes (1)
- populartajo
ZeL1nK (0)
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StevieT92 (10)
- vollkan, GhostWriter, Pomegranate, GreyICE, ZeL1nK, Candle Jack, Nocmen, Starbuck, Antifinity, drewoftherushes
GhostWriter (0)
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SpyreX (0)
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Kast (1)
- Surye
vollkan (0)
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Pomegranate (0)
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LobsterCatapult (1)
- Amrun
animorpherv1 (1)
- Celebloki
No Lynch (0)
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Not Voting (3)
- Kawaii, Iecerint, SpyreX

23 votes available, 12 votes needed to lynch

Deadline is July 18, ~ 10 am PDT

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Post Post #317 (ISO) » Sat Jun 25, 2011 4:22 pm

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Amrun wrote:
Interested in hearing what Stevie has to say, but stop with the Stevie votes. Nocmen votes are sooo much sexier.


What CJ said - another
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Oh man. Vollkan. You ended up flipping town in Disgaea 2, right?


Yup, just went back and checked - was also reminded of our big playstyle clash

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I'm not going to claim until the 8 or so players who haven't really posted or just got subbed into the game post their thoughts.


Reason being?
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Post Post #318 (ISO) » Sat Jun 25, 2011 4:22 pm

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Thanks, will do tomorrow, most likely.
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Post Post #319 (ISO) » Sat Jun 25, 2011 4:23 pm

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(^^^ Response to Amrun)
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Post Post #320 (ISO) » Sat Jun 25, 2011 4:36 pm

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vollkan wrote:

Stevie wrote:
I'm not going to claim until the 8 or so players who haven't really posted or just got subbed into the game post their thoughts.


Reason being?


Reason being that there are a lot of them. I want to see what the have to say before i claim.

@spyrex please show me some respect and don't lynch me before i claim. I will claim.
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Post Post #321 (ISO) » Sat Jun 25, 2011 4:39 pm

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Iecerint wrote:I would've been ADDING my vote to Ace around that time, so the unvote seemed very weird. I don't know what the point of RVS is (well, there's still SOME point, but) if you remove said votes as a matter of principle.

My finished-game experience with Kast is just the original Brave and the Beautiful. He was very into set-up/mechanic analysis, very into kind of addressing all points of view and consolidating them, but also a little bit detached from the X v. Y elements of the game. This game, he's still doing that, but enough of his analysis seems motivated to support theses that I don't think are very plausible that I am suspicious. I think I highlight a couple of examples through my readthrough, one fairly early on. The big one for me is his attitude toward GreyICE this game. I'm SLIGHTLY appeased by his eventual agnosticism with regard to his alignment, but only just.


Please explain in the context of the game. I understand the thing with Grey, but why exactly do you think that?

StevieT92 wrote:I just got back from the beach, re-reading everything. I'm not going to claim until the 8 or so players who haven't really posted or just got subbed into the game post their thoughts. If that's so scummy then lynch me. I'll post some more detailed thoughts on who else i think is scummy either later tonight or tomorrow.



No, you're the one with the wagon on you. I want to hear what you say, uniquely, without just trying to sheep stuff that others may post.
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Post Post #322 (ISO) » Sat Jun 25, 2011 6:07 pm

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StevieT92 wrote:
vollkan wrote:

Stevie wrote:
I'm not going to claim until the 8 or so players who haven't really posted or just got subbed into the game post their thoughts.


Reason being?


Reason being that there are a lot of them. I want to see what the have to say before i claim.

@spyrex please show me some respect and don't lynch me before i claim. I will claim.


Sounds an awful lot like "Hey, maybe the lurkers can be a distraction! Even if they don't distract people from my wagon, they'll still buy me time to make up my falseclaim..." to me. And that's not even mentioning the possibility of fishing for information to make a better falseclaim with... and the fact that I suspect scum have daytalk...

More to the point, you were told to claim or else and refused to claim. That means it's time for the "or else". Since I don't really want to lynch you without a claim, I'll give you a second chance to rectify your error. However, if you do not claim by Tuesday morning, I will support a hammer without a claim.

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Post Post #323 (ISO) » Sat Jun 25, 2011 6:11 pm

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StevieT92 wrote:
vollkan wrote:

Stevie wrote:
I'm not going to claim until the 8 or so players who haven't really posted or just got subbed into the game post their thoughts.


Reason being?


Reason being that there are a lot of them. I want to see what the have to say before i claim.

@spyrex please show me some respect and don't lynch me before i claim. I will claim.


??
Why are you hesitating to claim? Almost all the active people are voting you, and people are willing to hammer you. Everyone who's voting you or are about to vote you have already laid out compelling cases.

I just think you're a very inept townie, but there's no reason to stall for time.

P-Edit: CJ ninja'd me... :neutral:
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Post Post #324 (ISO) » Sat Jun 25, 2011 8:00 pm

Post by populartajo »

Pomegranate wrote:Tajo: Nice to see you here, but onto more important stuff. Like, how the one time I'm mentioned in your post is this-
pome understanding the situation in iso41 but RANDOM VOTING is also scummy fos: pome.
, yet I'm on the list of 'people who need to die'. I need to dies for RVing? :?

And the same regarding Kast; he has to die for his wall-o-text posts?

Why would you RV when you already understand the situation and you can make a valid vote?

Kast has to die because wallotext overreactions to Greyice sarcasm is scummy as hell.
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