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[Pine]

Check the name of the thread, Amrun.

Did I really claim my role? What benefit to Town would there be to that?

[Empking]

Vote Count 24

Cobblerfone
Pine
Nocmen (1) - PeregrineV
TheMask
Amrun
Surye
jilynne1991 (1) - Nocmen
vezokprika (1) - Ironhead, earworm
earworm (2) - Pine, vezokprika
C-Worl
PeregrineV (3) - Surye, Cobblerfone, Amrun
Ironhead
sorasgoof

Not Voting: jilynne1991 C-Worl, sorasgoof, TheMask

With 13 alive, its 7 to lynch.

[Amrun]

Pine: why claim it if you are then going to unclaim it? True or not, what was the purpose of your claim?

[Ironhead]

Ironhead 476: WHY do you believe scum are more likely to join the wagon after the role reveal?

Scum would know he is not one of them, and therefore could assume he was telling the truth. They are thus presented with a convenient opportunity to knock off a PR.

[Amrun]

Yes, but they are also more wary of hopping on after claims. They are at least equally likely to fan the flames earlier on.

[Nocmen]

Questions:

Mask: In your post 91, why did you leap to traitor or SK rather than scum? In post 365, why did you allot Surye scumpoints and DK townpoints for the exact same thing? Why then did you vote DK 3 minutes later? Also, you are definitely using the term "distancing" incorrectly.

Nocmen: In your post 228, did you see no confliction in being willing to vote for both Earworm and Cobbler? As stated in 48, what about earworm's post was suspicious?

Ironhead 476: WHY do you believe scum are more likely to join the wagon after the role reveal?

Pine: WHY did you claim VT?!

While I suspected cobbler, and still do, earworm's vote seemed like the most possible one to bus. I didn't like the sheeping and I didn't like the context of earworm's vote.

[vezokpiraka]

What do you want exaplined?

I would like for you to address the point Mask raised in #550. You followed earworm in voting Cobblerfone in your post #479; I note that you did not provide a justification at all (though you did "unvote," despite not having cast a vote yet today). Then in your post #535, you hop on the earworm wagon with the justification of "He is voting Cobblerfone hoping to get a bigger wagon going." This justification is patently absurd, because earworm was the first one to vote Cobblerfone; and

you

were the one to join him in voting Cobblerfone!

I've never played a Mafia game with you before, and so to my virgin eyes you appear to be obvious scum. But I get the impression that others in this game are hesitant to consider you scum instead of (young/inexperienced/foreign/unintelligent/mentally handicapped). Why would they think that? What have you done in the past to make Cobblerfone say "I don't feel like wasting a lynch on a six"?

My mindset was this.

Earworm has a growing wagon.
He is voting for someone else without giving too many reads probably bussing.
Then I unvoted and voted eraworm.

Does that make sense now?

[Amrun]

Nocmen, you didn't answer my second question.

[Nocmen]

Amrun:

This is the post I was referring to.

Anybody have any clue why there's only two kills? There should be three.

As for why I thought DK was scum, his posts smelt like flailing scum. One especially felt like a scum claim to me. ("Okay, I take it back, I am not pro-town, geez. o.o") I was wrong.

Cobblerfone on the other hand is still scum.

VOTE: Cobblerfone

1. Overjustification for jumping on a mislynch
2. Nightkill speculation

[Cobblerfone]

While I suspected cobbler, and still do, earworm's vote seemed like the most possible one to

bus

You mean "push" right? I was going to say scumslip but that makes no sense since I know I'm town, and earworm is like 99% confirmed town.

[Ironhead]

My mindset was this.

Earworm has a growing wagon.
He is voting for someone else without giving too many reads probably bussing.
Then I unvoted and voted eraworm.

Does that make sense now?

Not to me, it doesn't:

1. His vote was cast before he had a "growing wagon."
2. By joining him in voting Cobblerfone, you established Cobblerfone was the largest wagon. You also did not give any reads in your vote.
3. How in the world do you get from "voting someone else without giving too many reads" to "probably bussing"?
4. Also, can't we assume that he would be voting "someone else"? Would it be more townish if he were voting himself?

[jilynne1991]

Ok, I'm so sorry for not saying anything, but everything I want to say has already been said, and I have quite a few ideas, but nothing's popping out enough or obvious enough or me to feel confident about saying.

Sorry.

I do think earworm is town though, and Cobblerfone's the most suspicious, but I think you guys are also overeager.

[Amrun]

While I suspected cobbler, and still do, earworm's vote seemed like the most possible one to

bus

You mean "push" right? I was going to say scumslip but that makes no sense since I know I'm town, and earworm is like 99% confirmed town.

No, bus makes sense in context.

Jil, how are we overeager? Why is Cobbler scummy? Where is your vote?

[Nocmen]

While I suspected cobbler, and still do, earworm's vote seemed like the most possible one to

bus

You mean "push" right? I was going to say scumslip but that makes no sense since I know I'm town, and earworm is like 99% confirmed town.

What amrun said. Of all the votes on your wagon, I suspected his to be bussing you.

[Cobblerfone]

What amrun said. Of all the votes on your wagon, I suspected his to be bussing you.

Ah, the grammar messed me up.

[jilynne1991]

Ok, I'm so sorry for not saying anything, but everything I want to say has already been said, and I have quite a few ideas, but nothing's popping out enough or obvious enough or me to feel confident about saying.

Sorry.

I do think earworm is town though, and Cobblerfone's the most suspicious, but I think you guys are also overeager.

Ok, I don't know what that was right there, I'm not thinking righ.

Ok, I don't know where overeager came from, and switch earworm and Cobblerfone's.

[earworm]

Ok, I'm so sorry for not saying anything, but everything I want to say has already been said, and I have quite a few ideas, but nothing's popping out enough or obvious enough or me to feel confident about saying.

Sorry.

I do think earworm is town though, and Cobblerfone's the most suspicious, but I think you guys are also overeager.

Ok, I don't know what that was right there, I'm not thinking righ.

Ok, I don't know where overeager came from, and switch earworm and Cobblerfone's.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Jily

Jilynne: Please give reads on

every player

in the game.

[Amrun]

Jily: you think earworm is scum? Why?

[jilynne1991]

Yes I do...sorry, I need to take some time to reread to give reads, so I'll get back to you guys wih reads before 48 houris pass, sorry.

[Amrun]

What role do you think earworm has?

[Pine]

Pine: why claim it if you are then going to unclaim it? True or not, what was the purpose of your claim?

To make the scum think I'm trying not to draw the NK. Or to make them think I am. Or perhaps I want them to think I'm trying not to draw the kill by actively looking for it. Or maybe...

Scum aren't the only ones that can use WIFOM in a game with obscured flips. And I'm not retracting it. I'm a VT. Or so I would like the scum to believe.

[PeregrineV]

@Amrun- When the mafia traitor is targted by the mafia, they join the team and know who they are and can talk to them. Like in the role dsecsription.
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 5#p3085975


Cobblerfone-Null - early posts seem scummy, later posts seem town.

TheJakalope

Pine-scummy- mostly one-liners and minimal voting.
Nocmen-leaning town (but still dislike telepathic post)

Unvote.

TheMask- leaning town

Monk Quilford

Amrun- null
Surye-leaning scum
jilynne1991-leaning town, (but needs to talk about her earworm "case" or she quickly goes to "confused scum" list)
vezokprika-scummy
earworm- seems town from before claim & I believe it
C-Worl- scummy

Wredfar

PeregrineV- town
Ironhead-leaning town & didn't kill earworm
sorasgoof- null leaning scum

[Amrun]

Why no vote? No comment at all on my entire slot?

[The Mask]

Amrun...

CMAR comes across like a lone sk or traitor, to be frank. This is a "dont target me, buds" playstyle.

AND as I already told earworm, I didn't vote Surye immediately because I was thinking it over. And I'll now ask you the same: Why does timing matter? And where are the rest of your follow up(s)?

RE:DK/Surye similarities: Read 365 again. I say that neither of them could be clearly linked to another player. I never call DK town. The entire foundation of that paragraph is that by lynching, we publicly know players' alignments as opposed to them being janitored at night, and therefore lynching could better connect the two mafia if we saw one person flip and then pursued the person most likely to be their partner next. I didn't see a connection between DK and another player so that's why I said nothing would be gained from his lynch - he could have been traitor or SK at best. KEEP IN MIND that the goons are the only two partnered. At least as of day 1. If they shot their traitor last night, then it's a 3 person gang, pending one of them being vigged/killed by the SK.

Cobbler, she said she'd come back with content. I decided to wait on her to come back and deliver. But now, I will

Vote: jily

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I feel the same as I did in my last post..And I suppose you should slow down on playing too many games, jily.

Plastic scumhunting there, Cobbler. Some things should be obvious.

I wish I had questions or something for you jily. But I don't. Although you can put me in the boat with those that want your opinion of every player.

Pine just jumped on my prob-SK list. "Unclaiming" makes you seem under pressure (I suppose that's how I should put it). And that post shares the same confidence of a BP serial killer. The thing everyone should keep in mind is that when anti-town kill a power role, they can safely claim it. I've seen your scum game, Pine, but gambiting from you is alien to me (Hmmhmhohohmmz). I had this idea in mind if I drew scum here...

olololol did Mask just try to push himself as townie on us???

[/lampshade]

[The Mask]

Why no vote?

This may be a mafia discussion issue but REALLY, does asking this ever catch someone as scum because I've never seen it done and don't get the point of it being used these days.