Mini 1190: Game over

[PJ.]

Hoppster is such a considerate gentleman.

[TBuG]

I haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaate xvart's 419. Hoppster has been one of my strongest town reads up to here and it reads like he's scum using massive amount of faillogic to try and smear one of the few logical forces for the town.

SleepyKrew hops on right after, da fuq? I liked you better when you were lurking intensely through everything relevant that was happening in this game up to here. Seriously, dude, I don't remember you saying anything during the whole Toro vs Empking debate.

Hoppster's rebuttal of xvart is truly beautiful.

I like Empking's 438, I highly doubt scum would make that FoS.

I don't like how Panzer and vollkan seem to be siding with whoever makes a bigger wall.

I also don't like CC's active lurking.

This is laughable since you are accusing me of "not trying" and while you do the absolute bare minimum to try and disprove my suspicions.

Are you retarded and just ignoring anything Hoppster says? This is such idiotic slander I cannot even

So what you are saying is anyone with above average intelligence will realize that when you said "for town" you meant "for scum or stupid-town"? That completely undermines your entire ad hominem because what you actually said and what you say you were implying do not align at all. When you said "for town" (referring to me) you were saying "for someone who is town" which looks explicitly like you know I am town. This is the inside information scumtell you incorrectly used earlier.

I actually read it as how Hoppster claims he meant for it to come across.

Panzer's vote on Hiplop looks like he's trying too hard. This with the flipflopping is really catching my eye in the worst ways.

Sundy 455 just read my mind. I like Sundy. Sundy is probably town.

I like Hoppster's 458. This is immediately followed by MORE MEANINGLESS FLUFF FROM SLEEPYKREW DA FUQ CONTRIBUTE NAO

Also, is tunneling the only thing you stop lurking to do?

I didn't see any tunneling there, nice attempt to plant suspicion in the minds of others though. Bit of a scumtell here.

xvart's 470 makes sense, actually, but there's still a few things that come off as scum trying to sheep people to his wagon - namely the list of scum behaviors Hoppster has exhibited. Several points there were not only things I didn't find Hoppster guilty of, but that I thought others were equally if not more guilty of.

Hoppster's 502 is another fantastic rebuttal. I really hope people actually listen this time.

Would you be willing to hammer if he's L-1?

Vote: SleepyKrew

SleepyKrew 535, it just gets worse and worse omg

PLEASE PEOPLE STOP BEING SO FUCKING RETARDED AND SUSPECTING HOPPSTER WHEN SLEEPYKREW IS REALLY FUCKING OBVIOUS SCUM

[TBuG]

Oh my bad

Unvote; Vote: SleepyKrew

[vollkan]

Look at his ISO. Look at his voting record. Look how he frequently hops onto forming wagons generally going with the momentum. Look at how he either does not justify or fail-justifies his votes.

PLEASE PEOPLE STOP BEING SO FUCKING RETARDED AND SUSPECTING HOPPSTER WHEN SLEEPYKREW IS REALLY FUCKING OBVIOUS SCUM

Okay, so I have gone back and looked at my previous game with Sleepy (game is ongoing, but we are both dead and flipped so limited discussion is fine.

He was playing a similar way (short posts and hopping) there (he got lynched D1). More importantly is the exchange contained in this post here.

Sleepy appears to be playing exactly the same "whack a mole" game here as well.

Sleepy+7

[Sundy]

OMG am I actually going to get my Panzer wagon soon??

unvote, vote: SleepyKrew

[PJ.]

I also just recent finished a game with him, He seemed to tunnel a lot harder. He essentially stayed on target the whole game. I didn't notice this but now that everyone is pointing it out, I want back and checked. I'd be willing to see if this is a meta trait.

Vote:SleepyKrew

I would be willing to bet that if sleepy flips that Xvart is his buddy.

I really really hate the Sundy vote above me though. What specifically changed your mind? The fact that you might be able to wagon me if he flips?

[vollkan]

OMG am I actually going to get my Panzer wagon soon??

unvote, vote: SleepyKrew

Reason for switching votes?

[Thomith]

Panz's vote makes it L-1 dont hammer yet, i want to see him defend himself.

@Sundy as others said why did you switch your vote?

[TheFool]

Thomith, thoughts on the second half of 563?

One of the two(Xvart and Hoppster) are most likely scum because of the way they've gone after each other.

Which one?

TRENDING TOWN UNLESS I CHANGE MY MIND: Panzerjager, Sleepykrew
(...)
OMG am I actually going to get my Panzer wagon soon??

unvote, vote: SleepyKrew

Huh. With 5 people in your list scummier than Panz/Sleepy, why are you voting one and hoping for a wagon on the other?

[Thomith]

While Elf's play was all over the place, it didn't seem all that scum-motivated so much as confused. In addition to that, ISOs 30 and 31 suggest that Elfen knew what the Town win-con was, and ISO 34 suggests that it wasn't from the opening post. While this could no doubt be a ploy, Elfen doesn't honestly seem that.. intricate. A brief meta of his other games helps confirm this. He also links to another site he played on in one of them, confirming that he comes from a mafia metagame far different than the one here. (the game he linked to does not have the town pm in the opening post)

You mean from here? #30 does suggest Elfen knows the Town Wincon but i just find it semi weird you would ask for someones wincon as a VT pm is in the first post so mafia could easily fake it.

the meta bit i dont know about, i dislike meta after the game where i got lynched in lylo as town because meta basically clouded over my eyes and screwed me over, not saying it is scummy i am saying it isnt the best thing to go on alone.
looking back Elfen didn't seem overly scummy but hiplop seems more scummy than him, however i am semi-willing to hammer SK.

[Sundy]

Huh. With 5 people in your list scummier than Panz/Sleepy, why are you voting one and hoping for a wagon on the other?

Notice that 2 of the scummier players were listed in a scummy category because I wanted them to post again. And 1 of them has done so since then. Furthermore, the category I listed Panz/Sleep in was "trending town unless I change my mind." So clearly I changed my mind, innit?

Reasons why I decided to change my vote:

#1 PBuG's re-entry into the game and analysis, both of Hoppster and of SleepyKrew (his views on Panzer didn't hurt)
#2 Hoppster's pleas in large letters, which I looked at with new eyes when they were legitimized by a player I trust more
#3 I had an early town-read on SK thanks to the number of his posts and the early vote & un-vote on me. I recently (yesterday) read him in ISO and was struck by the number of his posts which were 1 or 2 liners
#4 He is very active in other threads as well, with similarly-styled posts, but a quick scan of the other game (today) indicated that he was pressuring harder and in a more threatening manner in his other game (this is obviously subjective)
#5 His reason for voting Hip was bad

Panzer I find it just delightful that you express suspicion of my vote while putting the wagon I placed my vote on at L-1. And by "delightful," I mean "evil."

[Twistedspoon]

Votecount1.16

Interesting Facts. I'm running out

Sleepykrew(5) - Hoppster, Toro, PBuG, Sundy, Panzer
Hiplop(4) - Empking, Vollkan, Sleepykrew, Thomith
Hoppster(2) - Hiplop, Thefool

Not Voting (2) - Captain Corporal, Xvart


With 13 Alive it takes 7 to lynch, 6 to no lynch.
The deadline is 6th July GMT 08:00[/b]

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[Twistedspoon]

Also, Toro I'm replacing

and can we have our votes on the start of a line please Thomith

[SleepyKrew]

I liked you better when you were lurking intensely through everything relevant that was happening in this game up to here. Seriously, dude, I don't remember you saying anything during the whole Toro vs Empking debate.

Bad memory.

Sleepy appears to be playing exactly the same "whack a mole" game here as well.

Sleepy+7

It's just how I play, as town and scum.

I also just recent finished a game with him, He seemed to tunnel a lot harder. He essentially stayed on target the whole game. I didn't notice this but now that everyone is pointing it out, I want back and checked. I'd be willing to see if this is a meta trait.

Vote:SleepyKrew

Yes, and tunneling that hard led to a perfect scum win, didn't it? So I don't tunnel as hard now.

[SleepyKrew]

Panzer is voting me, not hip.

[Twistedspoon]

gah

votes at the starts of new lines please

[SleepyKrew]

Just checked something. When hip joined the game, Panzer was all:
"Meta sucks."
"You can't meta from one game."
"Meta is garbage."

Now let's look at his latest post... Hmm...
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Panzer

[vollkan]

I liked you better when you were lurking intensely through everything relevant that was happening in this game up to here. Seriously, dude, I don't remember you saying anything during the whole Toro vs Empking debate.

Bad memory.

Sleepy appears to be playing exactly the same "whack a mole" game here as well.

Sleepy+7

It's just how I play, as town and scum.

I also just recent finished a game with him, He seemed to tunnel a lot harder. He essentially stayed on target the whole game. I didn't notice this but now that everyone is pointing it out, I want back and checked. I'd be willing to see if this is a meta trait.

Vote:SleepyKrew

Yes, and tunneling that hard led to a perfect scum win, didn't it? So I don't tunnel as hard now.

I'm now just confused. In Panzer's game, were you town?

Just checked something. When hip joined the game, Panzer was all:
"Meta sucks."
"You can't meta from one game."
"Meta is garbage."

Now let's look at his latest post... Hmm...
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Panzer

SK...making...a...good...point

*pinches self*

Panzer+7

[SleepyKrew]

I'm now just confused. In Panzer's game, were you town?

Yes. VT, to be exact.

SK...making...a...good...point

*pinches self*

Panzer+7

Why so surprised

[vollkan]

I'm now just confused. In Panzer's game, were you town?

Yes. VT, to be exact.

Okay.

So:
- In my game, scum-SK was madly voting all over the place. Scum-SK said that his playstyle was to tunnel different players in turn (tunnelling whack-a-mole, in short). Scum-SK had no evidence for this so I called BS on it
- In Panzer's game, town-SK was more solidly tunnelling on individuals
- Here, you are random and all over the place again, but you have stated that this is because in Panzer's game, your tunnelling "led to a perfect scum win".

I guess the logical starting point is this: what do you say that your meta is?

[SleepyKrew]

My meta? Including when my ongoing games end, or currently?

[Captain Corporal]

@Sundy: Time to start reading my posts. I said I'd be V/LA until now. IGMEOY.

Now, I'd like everyone's opinion of me.

I will re-read and write some notes on people.

[SleepyKrew]

Answer my question from last time you were on.

[Captain Corporal]

The Lynch All Liers thing? I take notes in the most sophisticated memory bank available - my brain.

[SleepyKrew]

Mhrm >.>