Mini 1190: Game over

SleepyKrew · Post Post #650 (ISO) » Mon Jun 27, 2011 2:41 am

Not essential, but beneficial. Thank you for answering. Why would I vote Empking though? I don't have a scumread on him.

Twistedspoon · Post Post #651 (ISO) » Mon Jun 27, 2011 2:42 am

Sunday wrote:

Moderator, is a Bulletproof Townsperson notified when they are targeted with a kill?

If I were to include this role in the game, which I am neither confirming nor denying, then I would not inform them of being targeted with a kill

Empking · Post Post #652 (ISO) » Mon Jun 27, 2011 2:46 am

Empking, it should be asserted that there is a real loss on the 'off chance' you are wrong; you have lynched a town-aligned player who, for example, I could easily clear with my vigilante ability.

No you couldn't. (Proven ability =/= proven alignment.)

Empking, this is a closed setup; we do not know the role distribution and lynching somebody because they are not a Vanilla Townsperson is a poor idea. If you truly believe that once one 'claims a useless role they should be lynched', would you kindly place a vote on yourself?

Obviously that isn't the case if I know them to be town.

Your points on Toro 'claiming Godfather' by requesting the cop target him also work in reverse in that by claiming Miller you are essentially requesting the cop not to target you.

Your point?

SleepyKrew · Post Post #653 (ISO) » Mon Jun 27, 2011 2:48 am

Answer my question Emp.

Sunday · Post Post #654 (ISO) » Mon Jun 27, 2011 2:52 am

Page 1

Captain Corporal wrote:1. What timezone are you in?
2. Scum or Town, which is more fun?
3. RVS or RQS?
4. Batman or Superman (hint: Batman)?

What timezone I reside in is meaningless as long as I sustain activity, correct?

Captain Corporal

, what did you have in mind when you asked these questions?

PBuG wrote:These
are
some pretty God-awful questions.

PBuG

, why would you deem the questions to be of an unacceptable quality and then answer them?

PBuG wrote:
Unvote; Vote: Hoppster
for that fucking stupid second.

PBuG

, what was 'fucking stupid' about

Hoppster's

vote? Why did you feel the need to use coarse language? Moreover, what is wrong with placing a second vote on someone?

Empking wrote:
FoS: PBug
- On the condition that CC flips scum.

We seem to be thinking alike at this stage.
UNVOTE: Empking
VOTE: PBuG

Additionally,

PBuG's

post at the bottom of Page 1 appears to me as backpedaling.

I would agree with

Hoppster's

point about

SleepyKrew

acting like 'overeager scum', but then I would also agree with

Empking's

following point that he would be more cautious as a non-town aligned player.

Empking

, I will hopefully respond to you in my next post.

Empking · Post Post #655 (ISO) » Mon Jun 27, 2011 2:54 am

SleepyKrew wrote:Answer my question Emp.

Oh I thought that was rhetorical. You didn't think/wanted to WIFOM us.

hiplop · Post Post #656 (ISO) » Mon Jun 27, 2011 2:54 am

Captain corporals latest posts are so fucking scummy.

I dont buy the claim, hes using WIFOM (why would i claim a useless role?)etc etc

Sunday, stop using RVS as an offense, its not relevant to our discussion

SleepyKrew · Post Post #657 (ISO) » Mon Jun 27, 2011 2:56 am

Sunday also ignored my question.
PEDIT: Yes, because that's what mastermind supergenius Krew does. WIFOM.
PEDIT2: Why don't we let the Vig shoot me tonight? It would waste a shot but show I'm telling the truth.

Empking · Post Post #658 (ISO) » Mon Jun 27, 2011 2:57 am

SK: I think you're bulletproof. I also think you're bulletproof scum.

SleepyKrew · Post Post #659 (ISO) » Mon Jun 27, 2011 2:58 am

@Emp
That's allowed in Normals? Seems overpowered.
Also Hip, if you don't believe my claim, why don't you hammer?

hiplop · Post Post #660 (ISO) » Mon Jun 27, 2011 3:00 am

I'm already on your wagon, aren't i?

hiplop · Post Post #661 (ISO) » Mon Jun 27, 2011 3:00 am

Oh, i guess im not. Guess i forgot to post that post

Ill hammer at the end of the day (real day)

Empking · Post Post #662 (ISO) » Mon Jun 27, 2011 3:01 am

SleepyKrew wrote:@Emp
That's allowed in Normals?

Yes.

SleepyKrew · Post Post #663 (ISO) » Mon Jun 27, 2011 3:04 am

How the hell do you balance a BP Scum?

Empking · Post Post #664 (ISO) » Mon Jun 27, 2011 3:07 am

SleepyKrew wrote:How the hell do you balance a BP Scum?

Very easily.

SleepyKrew · Post Post #665 (ISO) » Mon Jun 27, 2011 3:09 am

By giving the Town a ton of PRs? Didn't you say earlier that we already have too few VTs?

Sunday · Post Post #666 (ISO) » Mon Jun 27, 2011 3:10 am

RE: Empking

Empking wrote:
Empking, it should be asserted that there is a real loss on the 'off chance' you are wrong; you have lynched a town-aligned player who, for example, I could easily clear with my vigilante ability.

No you couldn't. (Proven ability =/= proven alignment.)

It was merely an example and the underlying point is that one should never lynch a town-aligned player if they can avoid it.

Empking wrote:
Empking, this is a closed setup; we do not know the role distribution and lynching somebody because they are not a Vanilla Townsperson is a poor idea. If you truly believe that once one 'claims a useless role they should be lynched', would you kindly place a vote on yourself?

Obviously that isn't the case if I know them to be town.

Once more, the underlying point here was that we do not know the role distribution.

Empking wrote:
Your points on Toro 'claiming Godfather' by requesting the cop target him also work in reverse in that by claiming Miller you are essentially requesting the cop not to target you.

Your point?

They're not legitimate.

SleepyKrew

, please state your read on

Empking

with an explanation as to how you attained it.

I'd put him at null/scum because of his unworthy vote on

SleepyKrew

, which to my eyes is yet to be acceptably justified.

Other

hiplop wrote:Sunday, stop using RVS as an offense, its not relevant to our discussion

hiplop

, why is this?

hiplop wrote:Captain corporals latest posts are so fucking scummy.

hiplop

, how is this? Could you also justify your use of hyperbole in the above statement?
UNVOTE: PBuG
VOTE: hiplop

hiplop, a hammer from you in the next 24 hours will result in me targeting you with my Vigilante ability at night.

Before we proceed any further, I'd like to note that I regard my vote as a tool for pressure more than I do it a symbol that I want a person lynched and a contribution at that. I have been reprimanded on my unusual voting habits in the past and I want to avert the inevitable discussion that will occur this game.

SleepyKrew · Post Post #667 (ISO) » Mon Jun 27, 2011 3:12 am

Null
Miller claim is null. He defended it like he should have. I've had a slight town read on him, but the unjustified vote knocks him right back down to null.

Empking · Post Post #668 (ISO) » Mon Jun 27, 2011 3:16 am

SleepyKrew wrote:By giving the Town a ton of PRs?

No. Presuming the OSV is our only killing role then BP is pretty weak.

Sunday: If you want to avoid lynching town then there's this wonderful thing known as No Lynch. My vote on SK is about managing risk.

SleepyKrew · Post Post #669 (ISO) » Mon Jun 27, 2011 3:18 am

You seemed pretty sure hip was scum. You still haven't justified the vote.

Empking · Post Post #670 (ISO) » Mon Jun 27, 2011 3:25 am

Empking wrote:
hiplop wrote:Hoppster is starting to look scum, but i cant get over the town read i got on him from earlier on :\

If I wasn't already voting him this post would have convinced me to.

Sunday · Post Post #671 (ISO) » Mon Jun 27, 2011 3:26 am

Empking wrote:Sunday: If you want to avoid lynching town then there's this wonderful thing known as No Lynch. My vote on SK is about managing risk.

No Lynch is how you avoid lynching. Lynching non-town is how you avoid lynching town.

Empking · Post Post #672 (ISO) » Mon Jun 27, 2011 3:28 am

Sunday wrote:
Empking wrote:Sunday: If you want to avoid lynching town then there's this wonderful thing known as No Lynch. My vote on SK is about managing risk.

No Lynch is how you avoid lynching. Lynching non-town is how you avoid lynching town.

No. If you don't lynch then you're not lynching town.

Sunday · Post Post #673 (ISO) » Mon Jun 27, 2011 3:30 am

If you want to avoid lynching town it's better that you lynch non-town than you don't lynch at all.

TheFool · Post Post #674 (ISO) » Mon Jun 27, 2011 3:31 am

I'm not opposed to a Sleepy lynch.

Sunday, have you read the whole game?

Sunday wrote:Personally, I think the specific nature of the claim (ie '2-shot') and the rarity of the role itself (I can't recall ever seeing a player aligned with a non-town faction claim Bulletproof Town in a game that does not have an open setup) makes it unlikely that he's aligned with a non-town faction.

Serial Killers are often bulletproof, as occasionally are Godfathers. With a vig in the game, a bulletproof mafioso makes sense. That said, SK's claim is also completely unconfirmable, short of a depressing waste of a vig shot.

Empking wrote:2. My view is that once somebody claims a useless role they should be lynched.

This is sort of an amusing stance coming from the Miller...

Panzerjager wrote:The only way I can attempt to explain is through poker. If me and another player are playing heads up, and I have every right to think that I have the better hand and then someone tells me that there is a good chance that he could be a guy who bluffs a lot, I'm gonna call because it will give me information I can use in the future.

And that's a valid point, but there's some cognitive dissonance between this and

Meta in general is garbage.

hiplop wrote:Captain corporals latest posts are so fucking scummy.

Agreed.

SleepyKrew wrote:Sunday also ignored my question.
PEDIT: Yes, because that's what mastermind supergenius Krew does. WIFOM.
PEDIT2: Why don't we let the Vig shoot me tonight? It would waste a shot but show I'm telling the truth.

Throw away the vig's only shot to prove your role but not your alignment? Brilliant!

The whole WIFOM argument is, in itself, WIFOM, and the fact that you yourself brought it up makes it even more so.

PEDIT: The whole lynching town argument thing is really silly. Are you really 100% convinced he's town because he claimed bulletproof?