Mini 1176: Dexter Season 2 (Game Over) Who Won?

[Juls]

It appears fargrass is carrying on, so no replacement needed

[Sotty7]

I have pushed it Sotty. Any time I've brought it up, it is promptly put onto the backburner. If I make a point against LMP, it is largely ignored. I have not sat back all game. Every time LMP was screwy, I've commented on it. I've been trying to bring it up, it's been lost in the other discussions. I have discussed other people.

What other thoughts do you have on the case besides "okay"?

You haven't pushed it nearly enough. If your case is being ignored why aren't you asking other players their opinions on it directly? Why aren't you pushing your points to the forefront of discussion? To me, it looks like you're happy to sit back and make cases that aren't going to go anywhere. That's scummy.

The good parts of your LMP case is the sheeping and pretty much his entire day one play. Being over defensive isn't a scum tell however and I'm still very much stuck on your reasoning for first voting him.

Amished scumtell.

Idk if it is on the wiki.

BUT!!

VPB and DDD are the ones who taught me this by mislynching me with it in a kind of sort of similar situation. But this is like really egregious. I never did it like that

Errr... No. You were mislynched with this tell and now you are using it in this game? I don't think so.

I'd rather BB not claim at this point because if we're not lynching farside I want to string up KKN. Of course this can change if he gets some more votes. Tans you need to pick a place for your vote ASAP. Not voting right now is not acceptable.

[Amrun]

I was, but it wasn't the same. I don't think it was a good application when used on me. I didn't say Poison Ivy was scummy, just tried to explain some things she said.

Also VPB was scum when he pushed it.

But I do want to hear what they say about it in this situation.

[Hinduragi]

Goddammit. My router went out. I reread from my phone while I was gone but couldn't post anything because it would've been too big and I can't organize my thoughts from there. I'll have some kind of catchup post up tonight.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

But I do want to hear what they say about it in this situation.

It feels different to me in that Blackberry seems to have a specific complaint related to his role usage as opposed to the broader "my predecesser was super scummy" complaints that I love to lynch. Since it's a borrowed tell and I haven't discussed it with Amished as much as VPB has I don't know if Amised would include it within his tell or not but to me it feels significantly different or at least different enough that it's not an instant death sentence.

[VP Baltar]

I'm curious about DDD being so set on fargrass. Do you think I'm missing something obvious? I mean, I see the scumminess you and Sotty are pointing out for sure, but I have such a hard time being positive on farside because she plays with her heart on her sleeve. Bleh, I'm getting late day jitters about that lynch. I think you guys both have a decent chance of being town, so I feel like I'm not seeing something. Or maybe my lack of attention to MS recently is just clouding my judgement. Basically, what I want to know is: do you really think I'm way off base with LMP/blackberry? I don't believe it's a good application of the Amished tell, but that aside I really didn't like anything about the way LMP was playing.

[Sotty7]

What is your case on LMP/BB?

[VP Baltar]

He got hyperdefensive over nothing on Day 1, then his sheeping onto the Amrun wagon really set off all kinds of bells for me. He's nitpicking a lot (such as asking me why I asked one bad question, as if I can't simply have a derp moment...which I admitted to) and wasn't really doing a lot until he latched onto tans' Amrun case. Then he tried to inflate that case well beyond its worth, which I believe was an attempt to get an angry response out of her. Then there was his VPB vote, which was complete LOL.

Overall, I feel LMP is better than this. When I played with him in Clash of Kings, he was much more consistent and logical. He made some good choices as a power role even when he used his Kingsguard recruiting ability...which points to him making derp moves as a PR unlikely. Additionally, PoE from that first mislynch strongly points to him being scum.

[VP Baltar]

*even when he used his Kingsguard ability early (meaning, it would have been easy to recruit more scum than he did)

[SocioPath]

SP: He is paying more attention then people are giving him credit for. He knows what's going on and he's pointing out his issues. Trust me this sarcastic and sly person you read is doing so on purpose.

I didn't know you cared. <3

[VP Baltar]

@Sotty - do you feel any of that is an inaccurate representation of LMP's play? I feel like I'm missing something and I really don't know what it is.

[Sotty7]

No, I think it is pretty good representation really. The whole "can do better thing" is something I feel with LMP in this game, but I also think it is somewhat of an unfair tell to apply. We all have our off days, plus he did eventually replace out.

I think I a lot of my unwillingness to wagon him up comes from how awful KKN has been and he has been on LMP/BB since the very start of the game. When BB posted it did seem like he was willing to put some effort into the game as well. I want to see what else he thinks.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

I just basically have the opposite feeling VPB; I don't have a meta reason to excuse farside and my meta with LMP says average player and thus your "I expect better" point doesn't ring true to me. Basically of all your points the only one that really tugs at my heatstrings is the sheeping of the Amrun wagon and the attempt to inflate it beyond its actual strength and that's not enough to inspire me to vote for him.

Also in recent notes, from a completely personal experience I'm a sucker for soft claims as something I've done on occasion as town but never done as scum so that's working in BB's favor.

[VP Baltar]

I'll give you the softclaim point because I would probably agree with you on that. Blegh. I still think PoE is substantial, as it is hard for me to see pretty much anyone else on that wagon as a strong scum read. Hard to believe it was an all town wagon frankly.

Unvote, Vote:Fargrass

Anyhow, let's get this rolling in a positive direction.

[Juls]

Official Vote Count

[4]

Fargrass

(Sotty7, Debonair Danny DiPietro, tanstalas, VP Baltar)

[2]

Blackberry

(Kid Know Nothing, Amrun)

[2]

SocioPath

(Kise, Hinduragi)

[2]

VP Baltar

(Fargrass, Blackberry)

[1]

Hinduragi

(SocioPath)

[0]

tanstalas

()

[0]

Kid Know Nothing

()

[0]

Sotty7

()

[0]

Amrun

()

[0]

Kise

()

[0]

Debonair Danny DiPietro

()

Not Voting :

Votes needed for arrest :

6

Deadline for Day 2:

(expired on 2011-07-01 17:25:00)

V/LA:

Until July 4:

Kise

[VP Baltar]

Kise put Fargrass to L-1 please. I don't believe we should put anyone to L-1 that Kise isn't voting for after yesterday.

[VP Baltar]

Oh right, V/LA

[Amrun]

I really disagree with this lynch but I guess that doesn't matter anymore.

Fair enough about the BB/Amished tell thing. I see your point, DDD - but it was the "I got to page 9 and realized I was replacing THAT S0LOT" bit that got me and nothing in LMP/BB's play except the softclaim encourages me not to wagon her.

[SocioPath]

I really disagree with this lynch

but I guess that doesn't matter anymore.

I highly dislike this statement in its original form.

[Amrun]

No one is going to do anything about it!

Vote: Hinduragi

Since a softclaim has scared everyone off the pressure.

[SocioPath]

I've seen larger wagons shift entirely, in lesser amounts of time.

[Amrun]

So have I, but I see very little willingness to do so here.

I will try, though.

[Kid Know Nothing]

No, I think it is pretty good representation really. The whole "can do better thing" is something I feel with LMP in this game, but I also think it is somewhat of an unfair tell to apply. We all have our off days, plus he did eventually replace out.

I think I a lot of my unwillingness to wagon him up comes from how awful KKN has been and he has been on LMP/BB since the very start of the game. When BB posted it did seem like he was willing to put some effort into the game as well. I want to see what else he thinks.

Do you think I am scum over LMP?

And yes, we've beaten the opening vote to death. But the way that he reacted to it was very weird. Do you disagree? It's like the forth or fifth post of his iso. Let me grab it.

for blatant bandwagoning under the guise of a RV, which we are clearly past at this point. If there is a person willing to extend the RVS just a little bit, it would be here in post 46.

It was my first post of the game, was on day 2, and no one has done anything even REMOTELY close to enough to move this game out of RVS. So I have two questions for you.

1) How was it "extending" RVS rather than just participating in it like everyone else? Wouldn't everyone who voted during RVS be guilty of "extending RVS"?

2) Even if my vote was an attempt to "bandwagon under the guise of RV" (which it wasn't) what exactly is scummy about bandwagoning?

This was a fairly interesting reaction to it. Had he continued to pressure me, I would have thought that he was serious about the questions. But right after this post, he began sheeping. That is what caught my eye. LMP only reacted when he was pressured or voted. Other than that, he was content to sit back and quote others with basically "I agree with this."

The softclaim, however, makes this a little more understandable. A PR trying to stay off of the scum's radar might be a little hesitant to really push a case. They might sheep like LMP did, try to show where their support and suspicion is without outright saying it. After being called out for it day one, a pr would have to shift gears. That makes me a little hesitant about this whole case now. BB is not the lynch for today, we don't have enough time to shift through the possible wifom that could come from the softclaim discussion.

BB, do not claim yet. Wouldn't be beneficial. You're safe until tomorrow. Do you think that your softclaim would make you a potential target tonight? Only then should we consider any possible claims. That's something we should all decide together though.

Unvote

[Kise]

unvote - vote: hindu

I won't hammer far. Not now. Hindu > SP could work considering your last line/brush off. I obviously won't completely agree with BB's read of SP but either way, both names are within my picks for the scumteam.

KKN, the 'maybe/seems/guess/like/probably' thing is strong.

Hey BB, Cody is also claimed to be in this game. If you don't see who claimed it, I won't name it, but how do you feel about that?

[Kise]

Then again, KKN, the 'maybe/seems/etc' thing wasn't indicative of scum in the PYP I just lost - I considered it when voting SSBF who flipped town. It DOES show uncertainty either way, or in more frequent MS-speak, fencesitting.