DEFCON Mafia 3.0 - Over, American Victory!

[AlmasterGM]

[Day 3, DEFCON 1 - Vote Count II - All of the Lights]

"The way to win an atomic war is to make certain it never starts." --Omar N. Bradley

[Votes]

danakillsu

(0)

Gammagooey

(0)

gorilla

(1) - Magister Ludi

HezLucky

(1) - danakillsu

Hinduragi

(0)

inHimshallibe

(0)

Internet Stranger

(1) - Gammagooey

Lady Lambdadelta

(0)

Magister Ludi

(1) - Toogeloo

MagnaofIllusion

(2) - Hinduragi, SocioPath

Magua

(0)

Mina

(0)

PookyTheMagicalBear

(0)

Regfan

(1) - Swift Justice

Revenge of the Wei

(1) - Magua

Screaming Death Clan

(0)

SocioPath

(0)

Swift Justice

(1) - HezLucky

ToastyToast

(0)

Toogeloo

(0)

Not voting

(11) - gorilla, inHimshallibe, Internet Stranger, Lady Lambdadelta, MagnaofIllusion, Mina, PookyTheMagicalBear, Regfan, Revenge of the Wei, Screaming Death Clan, ToastyToast

[Activity]

The deadline is Sunday, 10 July at 23:59 EST. Eleven votes are required to lynch.
No prods currently needed.

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

Lady Lambdadelta, it was this jab:

lld why did you kill katsuki?

A Katsuki NK fits your NK meta, so we're a little curious.

[Magister Ludi]

Bring personal meta into a game is irrelevant, I evaluate how someone plays and determine if they are scum or town based on that. I think he is much more likely than not to be scum.

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I want the scummiest players eliminated first, yes. That is clear and logical and I don't see how that is a problem with you. however, if the game isn't over by that point, then there are thirteen more players still living, with scum among them. The obvious recourse is to keep eliminating the scummiest players.

All of this is probably going to happen today, as we are only using nukes and nukes don't end the day. So yes, it is probable once all the nukes hit and the short list is nuked as well that someone on the 'long' list may die.

~~~~~

[Lady Lambdadelta]

(Equinox)

Lady Lambdadelta, it was this jab:

lld why did you kill katsuki?

A Katsuki NK fits your NK meta, so we're a little curious.

And what exactly is my NK meta, in your opinion?

[Swift Justice]

PROTIP; LOOK AT THE NIGHTKILL, THE FUCKING GAME WON'T BE OVER. if you're actually THAT delusional then I don't even.


your opinions on meta, I lol, but move on.

[gorilla]

VOTE: Regfan

I'll get behind that, if I had a nuke I'd be using it on him but I don't so I'll pressure him the only way I can

re: leaks, I am less knowledgeable about this code stuff, LLD's assessment of it as a playfair cipher seems accurate given that the letter J doesn't appear anywhere in it and the letters are even, I want hindu to show his work re: the bit he seemed to get, because re: the bit of text he got, because there are a few key patterns in it that might be key to solving it. Also, it's possible that scum change up their code now that people are on to it, which means I'll be of limited use.

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

Lady Lambdadelta, it was this jab:

lld why did you kill katsuki?

A Katsuki NK fits your NK meta, so we're a little curious.

And what exactly is my NK meta, in your opinion?

you have a tendency to look reasonably town (though not nearly as towntown), even as scum, thus you don't always kill off the most pro town players, I think the best example is brotherhood of the wolf. WHO WOULD YOU HAVE KILLED LAST NIGHT THEN, IF YOU WERE SCUM (YES WE'RE PRETENDING YOU'RE NOT SCUM HERE)

[Swift Justice]

VOTE: Regfan

I'll get behind that, if I had a nuke I'd be using it on him but I don't so I'll pressure him the only way I can

re: leaks, I am less knowledgeable about this code stuff, LLD's assessment of it as a playfair cipher seems accurate given that the letter J doesn't appear anywhere in it and the letters are even, I want hindu to show his work re: the bit he seemed to get, because re: the bit of text he got, because there are a few key patterns in it that might be key to solving it. Also, it's possible that scum change up their code now that people are on to it, which means I'll be of limited use.

so srsly...why the fuck did you take it

[gorilla]

because I thought it'd be fun

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

Bring personal meta into a game is irrelevant,

Aw, man, you're one of

those

people.

Someone needs to teach a class in Mafia Discussion about Metagaming 101. Too many folks are discounting it these days.

And what exactly is my NK meta, in your opinion?

In Mini 1113: Brotherhood of the Wolf, you killed Mina. At the time, Mina had been on V/LA and was thus lurking; in addition, she was considered mildly scummy by other players. Katsuki was lurking in this game and, despite a number of players calling him town, he did not contribute anything useful since his return from Goofbash. Fits the bill.

re: leaks, I am less knowledgeable about this code stuff,

because I thought it'd be fun

Sigh... seriously?

[Swift Justice]

you are a silly gorilla, yes you are.

[gorilla]

Just bevcause I don't know stuff doesn't mean I couldn't try. I like puzzles and being pricy to secret things and felt like a nuke is too much responsibility.

[HezLucky]

Okay does SocioPath usually make posts that only immature people would find hilarious?

I'm talking about #1244

Blowing your load on D1

.... when I let it all hang out

SocioPath actually raises a VERY good point on MoI, however. I am very averse to anyone who does something that seems "predetermined"
as that is how mafia play the game.

(This game is different, however, in that we have not had nukes until just this very minute so a loto f things seem "predetermined")

Frankly, if Socio flips scum MoI will look really good here.

No no no. You don't have the bad end of it. I got a nuke flung at me over Hez because DANA CAN'T LYNCH ME. Want to guess why? Because I'm AMERICAN. The case on me is that I'm not scumhunting in any logical way. No examples, no vote, just a one-liner among an ISO.

So you're saying Dana can lynch me because I'm European?



Swift Justice, what's your opinion on danakillsu?

[Swift Justice]

scumz.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Katsuki was a huge town read for most people. Katsuki doesn't contribute anywhere near enough to the game for it to be a kill I would consider. As scum, I would be happy to let Katsuki sit off in her own little world, and do whatever the hell she wants. She expressed little to no read on me/ neutral read.

As scum, I go for a more polarizing kill. I either kill off the scummier players if I feel I can work my way past the town leaders. Or I kill off a town leader with a CLEARLY expressed town read on myself, to make myself look better. People don't expect you to kill the people who have you down as a town read.

All in all, the Katsuki kill is weak. Had I been scum, I would have killed Gorilla. For a few reasons:

1) I thought he was SK. SK dead= good for a scum team
2) Even if Gorilla flips town, I still look good because I had been so vocal in expressing my desire to have Gorilla die. People wouldn't look at that as a "good scum kill" for someone in my position.
3) He's got eavesdrop.

It has the most gain. Gorialla EASILY would have been my kill last night as scum.

P-Edit: The Mina kill was because Fate wanted Mina dead, and was suspecting me/SpyreX. I knew the Mina kill would draw him towards someone like UK. I.E: It had the polarizing effect of being SUCH a weird kill, that people didn't suspect me for it.

[HezLucky]

I also think that if dana is strolling back waiting for stuff to happen and that if he doesn't push his case on me today harder he needs to be today's lynch for being coasting scum.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

EBWOP: Hence, the difference in the Mina kill vs. A Kats kill is that NO ONE WANTED KATS DEAD.

There were no connections to make, and no real NK analysis benefit for me.

[inHimshallibe]

meh fuck it

i gotta get IS's back

nuke Gammagooey

yo inhim, nuke MoI for me if Socio flips town

inHim got yo back.

[ToastyToast]

Because I've been slow in gettin' that regfan info out....danakillsu

People should not be nuked today: Mina, Toogeloo, Pooky, MagisterLudi, Magua, Hinduragi (remove the nuke plz), Swift Justice
People who should be nuked/lynched: Sociopath, 'vengofwi, HezLucky
To be determined at a later date: Regfan, Gammagooey, gorilla
Sitting in nullsville: LLD, inHim, IS (leaning town), SDC (leaning town),
Completely reliant on the results of other events: MoI
Catching teh scumbags: Priceless

[Gammagooey]

Sooo Socio's flip matters in regards to MoI's but Vi's and IS's don't matter to mine at all. Right.
Granted, with what Faraday said about CSL after that it's looking more like I would need to die for bad reads before LYLO Anyway but it's still a pretty glaring double standard.

Said most of what's important yesterday- the 3 things of big new stuff are
-Hindu should still absolutely die, with battleship stopping lynches as well as nukes+nightkills scum absolutely had at least one member go for it and for his d1+d2 play (especially the hop onto gorilla) make him very likely to be scum.

-Pooky should die sometime today after my flip.

-And it's a better nuke but Regfan isn't a bad lynch.

Unvote, Vote:Regfan

Godamn guys SEVEN ninja posts? Reading in a sec.

[Gammagooey]

hez, dana is still town.
MoI shouldn't get nuked even if socio flips town, socio death absolutely needed to happen today and scum would be more likely to hold onto theirs in case they got nuked and wanted to retaliate to avoid living obvtown.

Gorilla, can you ask AGM if the messages you got were from the night before or occurred after the start of the day?

[gorilla]

eavesdrop QT says there's potentially a 24 hour delay in leaks, I assume he checked the scum QT before re-opening the thread, RNG'd the leaks, and then posted them to the eavesdrop QT.

[Gammagooey]

k, thanks.

[HezLucky]

People who should be nuked/lynched: Sociopath, 'vengofwi, HezLucky

It's too bad I'm obvtown.

What, exactly, has your contribution to the game been?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

HEY.

ATTENTION.

I'VE GOT SOMETHING ON THE CODES.

I WANT TO SEE IF IT WORKS IN ANY OF THE OTHERS, BUT I HAVE SOMETHING I THINK.