Any Band U-Pick (Town Wins)

[Gaoth]

Pine

What up, evergreen?

V/LA Daily from 7:30 a.m. to ~7:30~ p.m. (read: Evening poster)

PEDIT: Diddin: Again?

PPEDIT: Para:

[Gaoth]

Yup. Self absorbed American here.

[Gaoth]

So, diregarding the fact that I totally blew my RVS vote, I think we need to get band claim out of the way NOW!!!!!! This locks mafia into a given bands set list, so fake PR claims are limited-ish.

As a sign of good faith, I bring you my band, the much cursed Tally Hall - Ruler of Everything

[Gaoth]

EBWOP: busy finding vide while Juls steals my idea!!!!! That makes you scummy....just kidding!

[Gaoth]

what

I second this

[Gaoth]

Reaction to Furry-Daykill gambit: This screams of PR-Fishing, and is extremely antitown day one.

Vote: Furry

Furthermore, Word of God is that while Band does not directly determine what side of the spectrum you are, it does lock scum into a set potential power roles based on the artist's catalog (post 120). This is why band claim is a good idea!

[Gaoth]

Powerrox, the fact that Furry attempted to pretend that his actions ended the day upon kill enhances the tells that Animorph would present in his reaction giving us a relatively good indication if Ani is mafia or not, that's not something mafia are striving for especially of a player like Animorph who could be consider mslynch bait.

Thanks Reg for opening my eyes to the obvious. It was a gambit, just not the way I thought.

Unvote: Furry

Reads later. After homework...look for it in maybe five to six hours minimum.

[Gaoth]

AntB

: Null-Townie. Two posts, votes in each, little to no filler detected.

Demonhybrid

: Townie. Annoyed angry Demon is a town Demon. Or lack of Chess is keeping him from staying calm.

Regfan

: Townie. I think this is the same Reg from last game. Sure seems pissed off by ridiculous things enough to be.

Diddin

: Null-Townie. Would like him to explain his scumslip theory, for I do not completely understand it.

Parama

: WHERE THE EFF IS HE? (no read)

Parabollocks

: Null-Scum. You are confusing the piss out of me, especially with your voting. You said you were voting for juls, changed your vote to juls, then promptly changed back to nintendo. Also, "not sure if want" what?

Pine

: Null-Townie. I agree with your opinion on Nintendo (nervous flailing and what not).

CSL

: Null-Scum. Fluff posts, vote changes without reasons (albeit to EPM).

Powerrox93

: Null-Townie. Reactions to Furry and Nintendo quagmires are confused townie in nature.

NintendoAddict1

: Scum: Nervous scum flailing, only one who reacts to juls' questions of scumminess, could be one trying to clear the other...

Seraphim

: Null-Townie. This business of "contradiction" is crap and should not be worried about on its own, ok guys?

Furry

: Null-Townie. I now get what you were trying to do.

Juls

: Null-Scum. Answers questions with questions and "guesses" why she pressured diddin.

Nikanor

: Null. Some fluff posts, no real scum hunting, but gets the idea of why bandclaiming helps town.

Animorpherv1

: Null. He's been on the defensive most game, but has handled the pressure well. Experienced town or experienced scum...its a coin toss for me right now.

Groundsel

: Again, WHERE HE AT, MANGS? (no read)

Cogito Ergo Sum

: Null. You're voting for me for voting for Furry on the grounds that he was antitown, an opinion I have abandoned. You really have no thoughts on anything or anyone else?

Evilpacman18

: Null-Scum. Defends Nintendo, then votes him, then jumps ship without reason.

Gorilla

: Null-Townie. This isn't the same Gorilla from last game. Yet.

[Gaoth]

oh, and

Vote: Nintendo

[Gaoth]

My thoughts on EPM's scummiest moves so far:
Number one: Playing Nintendo

Nintendo's not scum again based on meta. Although I'd lynch him just as revenge for sealing my lynch in 00's.

When questioned on Nintendo's meta, he responds with this vague answer which isn't so much an answer as it is a deflection.

I don't know what specifically about his meta is different, I just know that when we were buddies he didn't seem like he does now.

That said, he "believes" Nintendo is not scum....but then!

So, why am I scum again?

WHY ME = FRY ME
kthnxbai.

What the hell.

vote: Nintendo

Doesn't think Nintendo is scum (unless this post changed his mind, but at least give some reasoning if that's the case), but goes ahead and votes him all willy-nilly like. Even if he was just playing with Nintendo, this was extremely bad because what would have stopped some players who hadn't voted or read through from voting+hammering before the unvote? EPM can't control that. Voting for someone you suspect to be town is antitown by definition, and a scum move.

Number Two: RVSing after RVS is over.

vote: Gaoth

No reasoning, no case, nothing.

I didn't even know Gaoth had posted. I thought it was a joke -_-

What? Are you reading? Four posts on the front page. Why sheep CES, especially on a player you don't think has even posted? Stinks like skimming to me, something I got ripped apart for (as scum) in 90's. Ergo, a scum move.

Number Three: Looking for backup.

I'm gauging interest in a Parabollocks wagon. Would anyone join?

Why do you need interest before voting? Make a (good) case, cast your vote, and the wagon will follow. Isn't that how this game works?

Just bandwagon with me, Parama. It's cool.

May I go in his stead?

vote:Parabollocks

Okay, so not outright sheeping of CES here, but still, no case and a vote? You haven't even given an opinion as to why Parabollocks is worth voting, but voted him nonetheless, which is fairly scummy, again.

Three strikes, you're out. I still think Nintendo is pretty scummy, but EPM is looking much worse. And so,

Unvote: NintendoAddict1

Vote: Evilpacman18

[Gaoth]

@TOD: Just to clarify, your main point against me is that one of my posts is too.....happy?

[Gaoth]

Nothing's changed since then except Gaoth reinforcing that read.

Clarification please? Which read are you referring to? The one where you said I was omgusing (would you have thought any different if i had removed my name? had you done that to any player i would have called you on it.)? Or the one where you agreed with CES's case of "read his iso?"

[Gaoth]

Care to elaborate? You have called a bunch of people scum, but havent really made any cases, as i recall. In fact, you defended a player you would later vote for without apparent reason. This does not read as town, fyi.

[Gaoth]

@regfan: AntB - Reread of ISO yields five posts, not much content. Either lurking or busier then me. Regardless, moving him to Straight up null read, since I had him at null-townie.
Powerroxx: To me, Powerroxx is pretty townie. His initial confusion has been allayed, and he has attempted some scum hunting, even if he has not been answered right away or to his liking.
Juls: The more I read her posts and think about it, the more I start to think shes scum. The day vig gambit following the day vig gambit is pretty bad. She pushed the band claim REALLY hard until the cons were raised, and she backed off. I'm reading this as scum looking for PRs to kill quickly. Also, a fair amount of fluff.
Parabollocks: Im getting a huge null on Para. I don't think this is same Para from last game, but at the same time, that may be because he didnt get to post much last game. I know I didn't. For now, Para = Null.

FYI,

No access

until sunday (July 3rd)

[Gaoth]

Sorry, everybody. Having some Tec/time issues. Hope to have them resolved by tomorrow evening. Please excuse the brevity, posting from gf's iPhone and she's none too pleased.

[Gaoth]

Back, on a desktop. I see that Power is at L-1. Gonna review his case thouroughly before I consider dropping the hammer.

[Gaoth]

Okay, jsut saying then, Power's ISO reads are attacking Furry just like Pine did, and generally just quoting posts from other players without comment, as well as repeatedly asking for answers and voting when none immediately come. He is upset and voting CES for not having a case but voting him, but he isn't trying to defend himself against Nikandor's case...Hmm....

@Powerrox: What do you have to say against the case which Nikandor has against you?

[Gaoth]

@ Antb

explanation for antb: your day 1 was as follows

¹opportunistic vote on juls for faking a day action

²opportunistic switch to nintendo

followed by another ²opportunistic hop to epm
and that's about it

³considering epm flipped town and the other two are very likely town, this reflects poorly on you

¹Really? How was voting on a non-wagon oppotunistic? I acted on my read at the time.
²Understandable how you can see that. I provided my reasons at the time.
³My vote isn't the only one which can be read as opportunistic on that wagon.

¹Interesting. You criticised EPM for jumping onto a "wagon" with one other vote, calling it scummy.
₂I see no reasons. In fact, your "reason" for voting Nintendo was something another player did. Also, your vote on EPM follows a quote. Thats it. Not sure I see a case there.
₃ This is deflecting and borders on WIFOM.

VOTE: AntB

[Gaoth]

2

of Reg's scumreads have flipped town. The other scumread he has is Seraphim. Now, to me, Reg and Juls were back-and-forth a bit yesterday, which I think is significant. Think about it... Disagreeing, then removal of Juls from his scumreads, then Juls dying? Sounds like he's trying to plan ahead for towncred.

Now, under the assumption Reg is in fact scum, I don't think he would(or anyone really) would list townies for ALL of their scumreads, leading back to Seraphim.

In other words, I believe Seraphim and Regfan to be scum. I don't see Parascum happening.

Vote: Regfan

Nintendo, this is bad. Reg saved you from Hammer day one, and you would do well to remember it. Rather than accuse Reg of playing fiendishly well, find someone who is just playing fiendishly. Your Seraphim read is much better. That said, will be posting a case on Seraphim when i get the time, but until then,

FoS Seraphim

[Gaoth]

Not gonna lie. Reg wouldn't due this unless he is 100% sure, and I feel like Gorilla's defense has been all AtE and nondefense of his own actions, rather just asking for others to see the logic (or lack there of) he sees.

I'm retaining my FoS on Seraphim for post 884, looks to me like buddy support by disregarding the wagon as misguided.

Regardless, Reg's case and the reasoning therein are solid to me. Why would town not voice the same reads in thread as out of thread?

Vote: Gorilla

That's L-1. Groundsel, CMAR, Para, the Hammer is yours.

[Gaoth]

Nikanor, don't be an idiot. Gorilla is grasping at straws. Put your vote back where it belongs.

[Gaoth]

@Gorilla

Notice I said I still have an FoS on Seraphim, as in I will push that lynch tomorrow. I, however, have little to no faith in you as town. Calling Reg's case bad isn't really a defense so much as it is defensive. I agree with his case. It makes sense to me. Not abandoning my scum read on Seraphim, only putting my vote on someone who, to me, is basically confirmed scum.

What about my post history? Opening of thread I said I had no access during the weekday, and I went on a canoe trip which started on the first night phase, got back after the day started. Mod was aware.

Oh, and you calling me scumbag and other such sweet nothings really doesn't make it so, no matter how bad you want others to believe it. Although I am touched at how angry you are getting for my sake.

[Gaoth]

Hey. This weekend has been crazy for me. Its basically a finals weekend even though its just one class X_X. I can't promise anything, but maybe an updated reads list tonight if i can. Worst case scenario is by Tuesday, or is that too late?

[Gaoth]

Demonhybrid

- Town: Super bored Demon is bored, and a bored Demon stays quiet. See the 90's game for a great example of Demon being super active and scum (and thus by basis)

Regfan

- Town. I think we all agree on this, yes?

Diddin

- Don't like the PR Claim one bit. Seems pretty safe to claim, since she's dead, we know what she was, and there's only been two nights. I doubt you are a watcher at all, probably just a mafia goon.

CryMeARiver

- Been getting a scummy vibe from you. I'm guessing your scum slip supposition on Para is that he claims to know who got bookied? If that's the case then I think we need to be clear on the bookies power, and that it only lasts the next day (

Right, Mod?

). Have a scum lean on you.

Tarsonisocelot

- I am having a hard time reading Para, so this read will be based on further play. Null.

Bowser

- Bowset gets a scum look for suggesting a Para lynch but then asking for someone to explain the case. If he thinks its a good lynch, why does he need someone to explain it? Scum-lean

Magua

- Nintendo was town, although VI, and alignment doesn't change with replacement, so.....Town.

Seraphim

- His reaction to the Gorilla/Regfan dispute was wishy washy, first saying it was rediculous for scum to try and gambit for town points, therefore town on town, but then declares it a scum gambit and votes Para. Combined with opinion that Nintendo - Seraphim was town on scum, Sera is scum in that equation. Also, hes trying to incriminate whoever hammers Diddin by pushing suspicion onto them and off himself by claiming an upcoming scum bus, something he is already doing. Scum.

Nikanor

- I want Nikanor to be town so bad, but...I'm leaning scum and im not sure why. Null-scum (Caught the Bond comment!)

Trumpet Of Doom

- I firmly believe Ani was town based off Furry dayvig gambit, and as much as it pains me to say it, Tod is town.

Groundsel

- He was town when he was posting, that doesn't change since hes been inactive. However, his adamant stance that he stay in could be scum wanting to stay in for a perceived easy win. moving Groundsel to Null.

Cogito Ergo Sum

- I just....what? Practically no content, voting reasons are busch league.....to scummy to be scum? I suppose. town.

Gorilla

- I firmly believe that Gorilla is scum.

Town (Strongest to weakest): Regfan, Demon, Magua, Tod, CES
Null - Tarson, Groundsel
Scum (Strongest to Weakest): Gorilla, Seraphim, Diddin, CMAR, Bowser

Vote stays on Gorilla, since he's the only one I'm 99.99999999999999.....% sure is Scum.

[Gaoth]

EBWOP: Scum (Strongest to Weakest): Gorilla, Seraphim, Diddin, CMAR,

Nikanor,

Bowser

[Gaoth]

Vote: CMAR

L-1. How about a Diddin-like self hammer claim?

[Gaoth]

For tomorrow:

Morning. Anyone want to look and see if CES left breadcrumbs for his results with me?

Vote: Gaoth

Vote: Gaoth

Vote: Gaoth

Vote: Gaoth

Vote: Gaoth

You know what this is? This is scum getting someone else to do their mislynching for them.

[Gaoth]

Seraphim. Your town, Demon. Seraphim is scum. So is Gorilla. They need to be our next two lynches.

[Gaoth]

I'm honestly more inclined to believe Bowser's claim as real than Seraphims. I don't know why but Seraphim's protection list seems way more fabricated than Bowser's power usage list. And I feel like one counterclaims the other, so in this area I believe Seraphim is more likely scum. I don't think I have understood the case on Bowser all game outside of his terribad playstyle. Lurking doesn't always equal scum. I really want to see a solid case before I consider voting Bowser since we have

ONLY TWO MISLYNCHES

. Scum making a doc claim to seems more likely. I mean, what happens if Seraphim doesn't wind up dead in the morning after claiming doc?

With that in mind, my scum pool moves to Gorilla, Seraphim, and Nikandor, and while I'm not ruling Nik out, I think the first two are more likely.

So, barring a watertight case on Bowser,

Vote: Seraphim

[Gaoth]

Reg doesn't lie. I'm a one shot recruiting mason, I recruited Reg night one, with the mentality that if he was town, i made a good mason partner, and if i was wrong, well, we were fucked anyway so no sense in living, lol.
Tally Hall -
Ruler of Everything voting,
You & Me Mason Recruiting

As long as we are talking about conflicting claims, any reason why a mason in the setup doesn't directly equal a neighborizer being scum? Cause I feel like thats elementary, and would give us the assumed fifth mafia PR. This is my logic on why Gorilla is also scum.

[Gaoth]

Sorry, posted a page too early. No lynching DH, there is honestly no reason to waste a lynch on him. I gotta agree with Magua here, Its Gorilla and Seraphim. My third choice is somewhere between Tarson and Nikanor, but I really don't think it will come to that.

[Gaoth]

As long as we are talking about conflicting claims, any reason why a mason in the setup doesn't directly equal a neighborizer being scum?

Because that would be outguessing the mod.

As much as I hate to sound like a certain Tracker once in the game, go back and read Gorilla's ISO. Add in the role conflict and he looks extremely scummy.

[Gaoth]

@Magua Twilight phase allowed for me to masonize before the flip when I chose to. This allowed me to talk to reg n1 because I masoned him during twilight. Had i waited til night, would not have been able to talk until n2. gotta believe Gorilla's neighbor powers work similarly.

[Gaoth]

Vote Gorilla

What makes nikanor more likely than gorilla, magua? Seeing as I'm going to die tonight, I would like to make this last vote count.

[Gaoth]

Alright. As long as Gorilla dies tomorrow,

Unvote: Gorilla

Vote: Nikanor

[Gaoth]

Does anyone want to play some hangman?

....yes....

[Gaoth]

Ooh rah!

[Gaoth]

3-0 in the Band Mafia series.

At least you got NK'd in '90's.....

[Gaoth]

Don't want to lie. Nikanor was obviously my second choice, but I voted anyway caue I wanted to see what slaxx would do with my death flavor. I feel as though I owe gorilla an apology, lol