Charlie the Unicorn Mafia (GAME OVER)

[Rhinox]

EBWOP:
(aside from the fact that if pul/nacho don't show up and 1-2 hammer me, then it will be confirmed they are not the scum team)

(also, with charlie voting nacho, if its me/pul, we could 1-2 hammer for the win right now as well)

lol because you 2 voted how you are today you're pretty much confirming yourselves as scum by POE.

[Rhinox]

And what I'm saying is, I'm so confident I'm right, I want you 2 to both leave your votes where they are right now like good little scum until everyone posts, and nobody 1-2 hammers, and that will prove that you are both scum.

Neither of you have a problem with that, right? since you both think you're voting scum, of course.

(LOL)

[ReaperCharlie]

Why are you ruling out pul/nacho?

Because that would rule out YOU.

I want you 2 to both leave your votes where they are right now like good little scum until everyone posts

OK. I'm fine with leaving my vote on you.

[ReaperCharlie]

"(LOL)"

[Rhinox]

So you think I'm scum, but you're not worried at all that I'm just sitting here waiting for pul to get and vote nacho so I can hammer? Or are you just that sure that pul is going to recant his investigation claim?

Lol you do realize that as long as the votes remain how they are, once pul reaffirms his claim and there is no 1-2 hammer on anyone, the only possible scum team remaining are the 2 players voting right?

[Charlie]

It is time for massclaim.

Give me 3 hours, I'll prove that the 2 mafia are Nacho & Rhinox.

Hi Nacho.

[Nachomamma8]

I am frigid, jailkeeper. Since you're here, go.

[Nachomamma8]

Frogus*. Autocorrected...

[Rhinox]

It is time for massclaim.

Give me 3 hours, I'll prove that the 2 mafia are Nacho & Rhinox.

Hi Nacho.

LOL

First prove pulindar is lying.

Then explain why he's not scum for lying.

You and RC dun messed up LOL

[Nachomamma8]

Still making your fakeclaim, Charlie? Still?

[Charlie]

I'd love to have a war of words with you, but please give me a chance to use a desktop. 3 hours, is all I need.

Shoe thingy.
Tracker.
N1 RC no-one. Also got candy.
N2 nacho to RC.
N3 blocked.

[Pulindar]

Prologue

UGH UGH UGH I worked the last hour on a post and my screen refreshed. Dangit I had a defense against RC's posts, and was drawing various conclusions. Ugh.

thoughts

Stef's SK flip threw me for a loop honestly I thought she was a unicorn and NS was her partner. Even after her flip he was my lead suspect today.

Nacho is no 100% town as third party was killed and he isn't scum.

Charlie has become my lead suspect for several reasons. First and foremost his vote on Nacho. This is LyLo, not the time for such gambits. Thus the vote is real, and it is a bad vote.

Nacho D

if I'm town with a one shot cop power then Nacho is town because I told the truth

If I'm scum and my partner is someone else, then Nacho is town because I am white knighting him.

If I'm scum and he's scum: wow that sets us up for a bad position.

By lynching Nacho you take a much larger risk today. The only way for Nacho to be scum is if I am as well. I'm not so he's not.

Charlie

both Rhinox and RC have each other as their own lead suspects. Both of them are open to any partner (except Rhinox isn't open to Nacho as partner, RC shouldn't be either.)

I'm down to the fact that two of the three of you are scum. The way you two are arguing may be a massive buss attempt. Other than a massive buss between you two Charlie must be scum.

Charlie was my main town thought yesterday, now he votes nacho like this

Why did you want nacho to claim yesterday?
Why are you voting him today?
Why should I not vote you?

Epilogue

You know what, I'm going to take a chance. I really don't believe you two are scum partners. No, I'll wait I get Nacho's thoughts. My main lead is Charlie though.

You two,
What do you think Stef's flip proves?
What flaws do you see in your own logic?
What ways can your logic be opened up?
Give me a reason why I shouldn't think you two are doing a massive buss on each other?
RC what specific posts bring your suspicions they way they are?

[Pulindar]

Prologue

Ebwop

Nacho!!! Glad to see the avatar I first saw you with. It will always be the one I represent to you

Makes me feel like that game where sensfan massive bussed that guy and Zod kept talking me out of killing him. Honestly, if not for that game I'd be shunning Charlie right now. My first game still effects me.

Epilogue

I gotta go to bed soon, so message questions quickly if you want them answered.

[Charlie]

Hmm. A little bit of a puzzle then.

Unshun: nacho

Until I'm more focused.

[Rhinox]

and there it is. everyone posted and was online before charlie unvoted.

Pul, it HAS to be RC and charlie. Look at what just happened.

If it was me and RC, we would have hammered nacho hours ago for the win.
Could be you and nacho, but you're not hammering me right now, so thats out.
Its not me and you, we'd have just hammered nacho before charlie unvoted.
Its not you and RC, you'd have just hammered nacho before charlie unvoted.
Its not you and charlie, you'd be hammering me right now.

I suppose me/charlie is not logically eliminated yet. Thats the only hole in my logic, if you want to call it that. If you want answers to your questions I'll give them to you, but its not really necessary due to charlie and RC splitting their votes, and no scum 1-2 hammer coming in. Logically, there are only 2 possible scum pairings. Charlie is scum either way. RC is the other.

[ReaperCharlie]

and there it is. everyone posted and was online before charlie unvoted.

Pul, it HAS to be RC and charlie. Look at what just happened.

If it was me and RC, we would have hammered nacho hours ago for the win.
Could be you and nacho, but you're not hammering me right now, so thats out.
Its not me and you, we'd have just hammered nacho before charlie unvoted.
Its not you and RC, you'd have just hammered nacho before charlie unvoted.
Its not you and charlie, you'd be hammering me right now.

I suppose me/charlie is not logically eliminated yet. Thats the only hole in my logic, if you want to call it that. If you want answers to your questions I'll give them to you, but its not really necessary due to charlie and RC splitting their votes, and no scum 1-2 hammer coming in. Logically, there are only 2 possible scum pairings. Charlie is scum either way. RC is the other.

Yeah, except, the HUGE problem is that *Charlie* knows *HE'S* not scum, and *I* know *I'm* not scum.

And now you're completely going back on what you said yesterday, when you said:

Logic puzzle

[from Rhinox's POV]

:
a) I am town
b)

Charlie is town

via not hammering
c) NS is not scum with nacho due to NS unvoting RC to vote nacho rather than waiting for a scum partner to log on and hammer RC
at this point, in order for RC to be town, scum team needs to be stef, pul, and 1 of either NS or nacho
d) Puindar is (probably) not scum with stef due to voting stef just now rather than waiting for stef or a replacement to come around for a 1-2 scum quickhammering on RC

I encourage others to look at the situation logically from their own POV.

For example,

from pul's POV:

a)pul knows he is town.

b)pul knows charlie is town for not hammering RC

at this point, rhinox, nacho, and NS are still voting RC
c)NS unvotes RC to vote nacho - either Rhinox/nacho/NS are the scum team and NS unvoted so as to not be obvious, or Nacho is scum and NS is town, making stef the 3rd scum.

work out the logics,

stef's POV will look very similar to puls

.

charlies POV: [duh]

if RC is town, possible scum teams are {Me, nacho, ns}, or {Me, nacho, stef/pul} - again, either Rhinox and nacho, or RC are scum.

Nacho's POV:

he's town,

charlie is town

. Possible scum: rhinox, ns, stef, pul
then ns unvotes RC from L-1. If NS and Rhinox are scum, that means either stef or pul have to be scum and NS unvoting takes away the opportunity for one of them to hammer for the win. That means, NS is not scum from nacho's POV.
At this point, if RC is town, only possible scum team is {Rhinox, stef, pulindar}
Pulindar just voted stef, he's probably not scum with stef.
That means from nacho's POV, RC is confirmed scum because there are no probable scum teams of 3 left. Nacho should be voting RC, and he is.

NS's POV:

he's town,

charlie is town

.
Possible scums: Rhinox, nacho, stef, pul
Can't really get it down more than that. If RC is town, then 3 out of the 4 of us are scum.

RC's POV:

He's town,

charlies town.

Possible scum groups once you work out NS's unvote are {rhinox, nacho, NS} or 3 of {rhinox, nacho, stef, pulindar}

Bolded is mine.

You done got your story

straight

CROOKED.

Maybe you shouldn't have proved Charlie as town to EVERYONE yesterday.

Game is up.

[ReaperCharlie]

And here are some other gems from your ISO:

Why does umbrage nk point to me being scum, but not Hiraki or RC?

You killed Umbrage BECAUSE HE THOUGHT YOU WERE SCUM.

Something is up with Rhinox. I can't put my finger on it, but his posts really bug my scumdar. He's more concerned with how he looks than finding scum.

Also:

I WAS TRACKED NIGHT 1 AND I WENT NOWHERE

(well duh, by nature of who I AM, I can't "go" anywhere) [/softclaim].

ANYWAY, I COULD NOT HAVE KILLED HIM, DUH.

What I really want to know is what the deal was with nacho switching from me to RC yesterday. What was the catch the made you think RC was scum / or / made you think I was town?

PRETEND LIKE YOU HAD NO CLUE WHAT WAS GOING ON. NICE

Do you or do you not believe that Charlie is scum, Rhinox/NS?

If so, then throw a vote down. If not, then WHY NOT?!?!?

I've been saying all game that I don't think charlie is scum. And most of it is meta reasons - his play just feels the same as the last time I remember playing with him. Though I admit at this stage of the game meta is becoming a weaker and weaker reason.

Reluctant to vote Charlie. Even though I pushed him all Day 1 and most of Day 2 (if not all), IIRC.

NOBODY WOULD HELP ME

LYNCH

HIM, REMEMBER

THAT

?!?!

No seriously though, at this point you've got to be town since you're basically the only 1 trying today (so far). At least 3/5ths of charlie, pul, nacho, stef, and NS have got to be scum. I'm somewhere between randomly choosing between those 5 for a 60% or greater chance of being correct, sheeping your choice, or you know, actually putting some effort in and trying to figure out who's scum on my own.

HERP DERP MAYBE YOU SHOULDN'TA PUT THAT ON PAPER

BECAUSE NOW YOU'RE JUST BACKTRACKING. AND ITS SCUUUUUUM-TASTIC.



And then we can look at other people's ISOs. Which is probably why you killed THEM (also, because they had little to no chance of being lynched):

Just throwing this out there: in my experience, the one person who is statistically grinding the living stuffing out of a game is usually scum.

So do you think the scum could be nacho, stef, and pulindar then?

I don't see either me OR Charlie on that list? Duh, cause we aren't scum, and weren't convenient for you to call scum at that point.

Or what do you mean by "the one person who is statistically grinding the living stuffing out of a game"?

AND GUESS WHO DIED LAST NIGHT.

NOBODY SPECIAL.

THE PERSON WHO CALLED YOU SCUM.

wait how am I "statistically grinding the living stuffing out of a game" by pointing out an observation about what no hammer of RC at L-1 means?

It either means:

1. all of the scum are on my wagon and CAN'T hammer even if they wanted to, or
2a) the scum not on my wagon are either *gone*, or

2b) are looking to get town cred by

not

hammering...

(i.e. so that you could use

exactly

this argument that I'm scum)

2b: is retarded

, considering assuming a scum team of 3, a town lynch is game over,

there is no need to build town cred

or set up this exact argument.

Talk about reoccurring nightmares.

You are once again, trying to prove via "X isn't hammering" that "X is not scum".

THIS IS YOUR ONLY METHOD OF SCUMHUNTING, AND ITS ALREADY BEEN PROVEN FALSE.

Also, I like that you call 2b retarded.

BECAUSE YOU

KNEW

THAT SCUM

WOULD

HAVE TO TRY TO BUILD UP TOWN CRED FOR TODAY, WHEN

NOBODY ELSE KNEW

.

DEFLECT DEFLECT DEFLECT

DEFLECT!

SCUM

SCUM

DIE.

[Charlie]

Let's go back to basics, people. We are in 5 player LyLo. We have at least 2 claimed PRs.

Fullclaims with Night Actions, please.

Nacho, especially YOU

. Rhinox, you've presented a logic puzzle totally ignoring my claim and I'm not happy with that. Of course, my happiness and yours are a totally different matter.

Fullclaim:
I'm the Choo Choo Shoe, you know, chugga chugga chugga? Its from the first Charlie the Unicorn video, I think it was a Nike or something. I am a tracker. I'm part of the good guys. Additionally, I glean from my Role PM that the Mafia are probably named Pink and Blue.

Night 1 tracked ReaperCharlie to nowhere. Chose him based on top suspicion. I recieved Chocolate Coated Almonds. I know what these do, ReaperCharlie should also know. So I can tell he's trying to pull of a mini-stunt.

Night 2 tracked Nacho to ReaperCharlie. Did so based on top suspect again. Concluded he could not be a protective role based on his strong attack on ReaperCharlie the previous day and unlikely to be investigative role since I'm one myself. By conjecture: he's most probably Mafia Roleblocker.

Night 3 tracked Rhinox. Received a "blocked" result. Choose him based on top suspicion too.

I confirm the presence of a blocking role

in this game.

Knowing that role is not the same a alignment, I do believe Nacho is indeed a blocking role. Either jailkeeper as he claims or roleblocker. I believe he is of Mafia alignment.

Pulindar claiming the one shot cop is a conundrum. Can you please fullclaim, with flavour, and paraphrase of your role? I firmly believe that you're not making it up, thus your claim in my point of view is valid. I believe you're Town. I just need clarification of how you're exclusively linked to the Reaper role (which is non-standard btw, not in the MafiaWiki).

I know I'm Town. Based on Night Actions, ReaperCharlie is very likely Town. Based on gameplay, both ReaperCharlie and Pulindar are Town-ish. That leaves only Nacho and Rhinox left at Mafia.

I'm done here.

[Zodiark13]

Let's go back to basics, people. We are in 5 player LyLo. We have at least 2 claimed PRs.

Fullclaims with Night Actions, please.

Nacho, especially YOU

. Rhinox, you've presented a logic puzzle totally ignoring my claim and I'm not happy with that. Of course, my happiness and yours are a totally different matter.

Fullclaim:
I'm the Choo Choo Shoe, you know, chugga chugga chugga?

Its from the first Charlie the Unicorn video,

I think it was a Nike or something. I am a tracker. I'm part of the good guys. Additionally, I glean from my Role PM that the Mafia are probably named Pink and Blue.

Night 1 tracked ReaperCharlie to nowhere. Chose him based on top suspicion. I recieved Chocolate Coated Almonds. I know what these do, ReaperCharlie should also know. So I can tell he's trying to pull of a mini-stunt.

Night 2 tracked Nacho to ReaperCharlie. Did so based on top suspect again. Concluded he could not be a protective role based on his strong attack on ReaperCharlie the previous day and unlikely to be investigative role since I'm one myself. By conjecture: he's most probably Mafia Roleblocker.

Night 3 tracked Rhinox. Received a "blocked" result. Choose him based on top suspicion too.

I confirm the presence of a blocking role

in this game.

Knowing that role is not the same a alignment, I do believe Nacho is indeed a blocking role. Either jailkeeper as he claims or roleblocker. I believe he is of Mafia alignment.

Pulindar claiming the one shot cop is a conundrum. Can you please fullclaim, with flavour, and paraphrase of your role? I firmly believe that you're not making it up, thus your claim in my point of view is valid. I believe you're Town. I just need clarification of how you're exclusively linked to the Reaper role (which is non-standard btw, not in the MafiaWiki).

I know I'm Town. Based on Night Actions, ReaperCharlie is very likely Town. Based on gameplay, both ReaperCharlie and Pulindar are Town-ish. That leaves only Nacho and Rhinox left at Mafia.

I'm done here.

ITS THE SECOND ONE GODDAMMIT!!!

[Rhinox]

And now you're completely going back on what you said yesterday, when you said:
<snip>
Maybe you shouldn't have proved Charlie as town to EVERYONE yesterday.

No longer relevant - was based on there being a scum team of 3 and yesterday being lylo, which is clearly not the case. Even still, that was only the "if RC is town" situation, which is also clearly not the case. Nice try though.

your #941 is irrelevant now because of this, which means charlie is getting lynched today once pul is satisfied I'm not trying to pull a fast one on him or something. Save your rhetoric for tomorrow when you're trying to get nacho or pul to lynch me instead of you.

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Rhinox, you've presented a logic puzzle totally ignoring my claim and I'm not happy with that.

Your claim is irrelevant to the logic facts, but I'll bite.

How can I be scum with nacho given pul's result?

If pul is who he says he is, that means nacho is town - explain how nacho didn't get 2 scum votes piled on for the scum win if you're town?

me/RC, me/pul, RC/pul - all could have hammered nacho after you voted. nacho/pul - could have hammered me. All the other possible scum teams remaining (charlie/pul, charlie/RC, charlie/me) include you. Only charlie/pul is not possible because you both could have hammered me. So charlie/RC is possible, as is charlie/me, since neither pairing is eliminated due to having an opportunity to hammer a townie for the win.

So unless you can explain any reasonable way the logic is flawed, completely unbiased logic says you have to be scum, meaning your claim is a fabricated lie.

My vote will be going on you as soon as pul and nacho are satisfied.

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@Zod: you're dead. why are you posting here?

[Charlie]

Rhinox, your situation applies if the Mafia are well coordinated. I've some experience in a newbie game where the Mafia took days to organize a quickhammer. Besides, it's a risky move and one Mafia would have to think twice before taking.

I want a massclaim. Please?

[ReaperCharlie]

HOW ABOUT ANSWER MY ACTUAL POINTS.


And yes Charlie. I know what it does.

Also:

Night 1 Charlie tracked me, and

I went nowhere

(because as I mentioned before, I can't. lol).
Night 2 Charlie tracked Nacho (claimed Jailkeeper, suspected Roleblocker) to me.

Three kills

still happened.
Night 3 is anyone's guess, but Nobody Special suspected RHINOX and not me. If I was scum, there were much better people to kill than NS. Say, perhaps, someone who suspected ME. (i.e. not NS). Therefore,

it's Rhinox who's scum.

Also, this leaves only 2 people without claimed actions.

Rhinox and me.

I am Candy Mountain, 1-shot Bulletproof (with a frickin'

nifty

theme song! )

I assume that's why there was only 1 kill on Night 1, because somebody who I was onto tried to kill me off. I am surprised I didn't die on subsequent nights, but that might have something to do with the supposed killer deciding that I might be bulletproof (or protected again, if there's a doc, cause how would they know), and choosing to kill off someone else on N2 (i.e. the Lovers).

And now:

Cue: Rhinox claiming doc. Only thing left to claim that fits in with all of us.

[ReaperCharlie]

I want a massclaim. Please?

Done and done.

Rhinox's turn. This'll be rich.

[Charlie]

Great, pieces of the puzzle are coming together now.

Rhinox, if you really think that I'm Mafia then why aren't you making a case covering all of... me? Focusing on a particular bit a the end seems pressured. Also, if you believe I'm fabricating my claim, let's hear some of your thoughts about it. Also, explain my behaviour on asking Nacho to immediately claim on the start of Day 3, and upon getting ignored, immediately shunning him? Do elaborate.

Nacho, I need your fullclaim. I have no idea who Frogus is (is it somehow related to the banana king or whatnot) and can't make conjectures from the flavour (which is sometimes useful and most of the time fun!)

Pulindar, I need clarification on your claim. You're kidney, right... but did you know the existence of Charlie (The Unicorn) as a Reaper role? I'm really unclear on what role is that. Are you 100% sure your investigation is sane? Did you anyhow crumb your result? And while we're at that, I didn't crumb any results... I let my behaviour speak for itself. IIRC, I backed off RC hard after D1. Then I tunnelled hard on Nacho after I got a guilty track on him.

Anyone who doubts my claim: Prove me wrong.

[Rhinox]

I dare you to say I'm scum for stalling my claim.