xvart wrote:It is true. We are neighbors. I've been racking my brain for the life of me about our moderator and his opinions on neighbors since we were in a game together a while back and there were two town neighbors but Humble didn't say anything definitive about neighbors and alignments other than alignments are unknown. don did not talk in the neighbor QT at all pre game.
i opened my pm late. i have a message out to mod that i need a response from before i explain further.
xvart wrote:don didn't say anything pre game in the neighbor QT which I thought was... not damning evidence of him being scum but not scoring any town points, and I really started suspecting him as scum neighbor on his beck wagon support but no vote, when I tied him to Beck.
i don't recall you tieing me to beck, at all. i really wasn't paying much attention through day 1 and my support for the beck wagon was because "he had no sense of humor." in my experience, scum often lack a sense of humor when they are wagoned relentlessly. having not been paying too much attention, however, i wasn't ready to vote. regardless of scum or town, the beck wagon looked like it was going to move and movement produces content which is good for town. i didn't expect a lynch to go through so quick and i don't think any of the players who were not present can hold any of the responsibility for that. the wagon was bad.
xvart wrote: I almost came out right there and claimed neighbor since don hadn't done anything at all except that scummy post but I thought better of it. Last night, don was absent until over halfway through night.
thats because i hadn't even realized a lynch went through. i was rather surprised.
xvart wrote: My first post of the night was asking him who he thought was scum because he had provided no reads at all D1.
i hadn't been keeping up fast enough. like i said, i posted, next time i looked the lynch had gone through. i may have checked in once or twice between(can't recall), but i am in several games which have been requiring more attention and i didn't think a day 1 wagon would go so quick.
xvart wrote: I was hoping to draw out something and see what he did at the beginning of the next day and then claim what I knew if it contradicted what he said during the night. I then sent a "you there?" type post and then followed up with more friendly banter post in case he was scum and relayed his information to his team and I got NKed without claiming him as my neighbor.
i just about claimed neighbor in my op, so setting you up in such a fashion would be silly.
xvart wrote: My post was basically how I thought his crumb, although obvious, was clever and asked him if he was worried about scum picking up on it. On D1 I was thinking it was obvious and was curious why he wasn't so concerned with scum picking up on it.
i explained this in the qt saying " its better for neighbors to be out in the open"(paraphrased). neighbors are a tricky role because of the usual assumption that one is scum and one is town(which is a common argument for lynching one without aactual evidence.) by being open about it i feel like it actually gives town a better advantage.
xvart wrote:He finally posted in the neighbor QT with how scum might use that knowledge to their benefit (??) but he believe it to be better play for neighbors to be more public than private (paraphrased). He also said he wasn't reading carefully during D1 so he was going to reread if he survived the night. This struck me as really odd since I saw him as no threat to being a NK. I asked him if he thought he was likely to be killed during the night. He responded that he hoped not, then said there had to be scum in the final few people on the wagon.
i made it a policy early in my career to not read at night. i spent several hours reading an extremely long game one time and woke up dead. even if you are scum, there is no "guarantee" that you will survive, so reading at night is a waste of time. and i did believe there was scum on the end of the wagon, and i still do. townies shouldn't be quicklynching a fellow like that.
xvart wrote:Now that I had a weak set of suspects from him I was waiting to see who he voted for at the start of D2. He came out and immediately voted the hammerer for a very specific reason; so what I don't understand is why he didn't tell me that last night.
i didn't have a plan and didn't realize you were looking for anything more specific. the celebloki vote is a starting point imo. lots can happen during the day, but i thought a little pressure might help to start the day. again, saying "i believe there is scum on the tail end of the wagon" and voting the hammer is entirely consistent play.
xvart wrote:The other thing that concerns me is that he so quickly claimed neighbor today when I put him in a very loose scum group pairing and he didn't do the same yesterday when I did the same thing.
i don't recall you doing that day 1. i don't remembver any of your posts from day 1. however, the fact that you would group me as scum with a townie(beck), is more of a towntell which now reinforces my town read of you(the other info being your last post which i see as pro-town. your arguments with me are justified and your approach was not over the top at all. scumxvart could easily have embellished a bit(and voted) to get a mislynch moving).
xvart wrote:
I have never played with don (to my recollection) but from this game I don't see him as a player who would place a breadcrumb like he did so I'm guessing, if he is scum, he was prompted to do so in the scum QT pre-game.
it would not behoove scum to breadcrumb neighbor as, like i mentioned, the most common argument i have seen to mislynch neighbors is that one
must
be scum, which is a fallacy. by breadcrumbing i set myself up to have the spotlight shown on me if xvart is killed and flips town. as towndj, i set the spotlight on myself to be town, if xvart flips scum. the benefit of the breadcrumb is more heavily town-favored as a scumxvart flip just about confirms towndj. does that make sense?xvart wrote:I didn't but out with this information because a lot of it is circumstantial and I didn't want to prematurely claim and was hoping I could draw out some more in subsequent nights.
i'd be happy to participate more in the qt. its something one has to approach with caution, however, because a scum neighbor will generally attempt to manipulate a town neighbor. it is in scums best interest to keep their neighbor alive and use them than it is to arouse suspicion from them and/or lynch/nk them early due to the aforementioned "one neighborscum/one neighbor town" fallacy.
xvart wrote:don - can you show a game where you have breadcrumbed your role before?
i have breadcrumbed roles before, but i don't do it every time i have a role. it depends on the role. but no, i don't link. if my explanation for this breadcrumb is not sufficient, just let me know.
CooLskins wrote:Okay, lets try it with different wording. Link me to a post where you scumhunt.
voicing support for the beck wagon without a vote helps stir the pot. i haven't had a chance at this point to read the full game, so you can expect a more solid "scumhunting" post to come. anyhow, if you are familiar with my playstyle you should know i don't scumhunt in any "traditional" styles.
