ASOIAF: Test of Faith Mafia (Game Over!)

[DrippingGoofball]

ugh, I'm hitting my "let's get lazy" part of the game. I really need to make myself not do this.
Could someone quickly point me to the reasons for magua/benmage so I have something in mind when I re-read?

It's YOU we're lynching.

[DrippingGoofball]

I'm liking the competing Magua vs. hascow wagons.

[SpyreX]

Do you think they're BOTH scum?

Am I crazy tres for really not liking LL?

[DrippingGoofball]

I am thinking they are both scum. Let's keep even pressure on both of them as long as we can.

We need to chastise one-person wagons.

LL doesn't have much townie vibes, but he's not the worse right now. We only have one lynch, and we lynched the vig...

[SpyreX]

Dont give me those dots young lady.

If I lose on LL and its one of those two Magua makes more sense (I admit again I'm lost on cow some).

[ooba]

Vote Count

Magua (3)

- Empking, AlmasterGM, Nexus

hasdgfas (4)

- DrippingGoofball, Espeonage, Hinduragi, Lost Butterfly

Benmage (3)

- Thor665, Locke Lamora, Magua

Espeonage (2)

- Setael, vezokpiraka

Locke Lamora (2)

- SpyreX, Benmage

Nexus (1)

- LynchMePls

Not Voting (1)

- hasdgfas

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch!

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Deadline is in

(expired on 2011-07-06 23:59:59)

[DrippingGoofball]

I don't like Magua losing steam... and Benmage gaining some.

This could be a scum-only wagon.

Benmage (3) - Thor665, Locke Lamora, Magua

[Magua]

Really?

You're assuming hascow-town? We're going to go "LOL shoulda lynched Magua?" the next day?

That's pretty far fetched compared to the more forthright explanation that your buddies aren't voting you.. but they're doing due diligence on the distancing front. That's basically what you're saying, yourself.

That "more forthright" explanation requires me to have buddies. Since I don't have buddies, it can't be the correct explanation.

Sad, but true.

But, counterquestion: Since you think I'm scum, and you think hasdgfas is scum, do you think I'm scum *with* hasdgfas?

@Benmage

: I specifically said why I was calling out you + Hinduragi + DGB -- you all said "Magua is obvscum I'mma vote hasdgfas". Your response is weak. Ben-"ImmadirectthistownD1becausethatshowawesomeIam"-mage has a scumread on me but would rather vote hasdgfas because he's got four votes on him instead of my two? That's seriously what was holding you back from voting me, the person you found *scummier*?

[Benmage]

"scummier" is so subjective. Say for instance I am 90% sure you are scum.. and 89% sure he is scum... Yes you're scummier... But will I pull teeth for potentially an inordinate amount of wasted time for a 1% difference... hell to the no.

A 5 vote wagon can tip the balance get rolling and achieve something... A 3 vote wagon when theres another 3 vote wagon and a 4 vote wagon... aint doing shit.

[Benmage]

I don't like Magua losing steam... and Benmage gaining some.

This could be a scum-only wagon.

Benmage (3) - Thor665, Locke Lamora, Magua

If you vote Magua.. Spy and I will sheep.

[Benmage]

Magua, why am I worse then Hindu and DGB again?

[Magua]

Because you flat out said that I was scummier than hasdgfas, whereas Hinduragi and DGB have both just said that we're both scum.

And bullshit if "1% difference" is the cause of "in this case.. i guess Cow. (Tho i think at this moment I'd prefer Magua)"

[SpyreX]

Hold up.

Are you still holding onto DGB is scum because she makes sense?

Or was there some kind of SECRET REVELATION on DGB I missed?

[Magua]

Hold up.

Are you still holding onto DGB is scum because she makes sense?

No.

Or was there some kind of SECRET REVELATION on DGB I missed?

Benmage asked why I found him scummier for doing X when Hinduragi and DGB also did X. I explained why.

[CyberSet]

OK so:

DGB, Spy and Benmage are town with the caveat that any one of these (moreso DGB and Spy tbh) would have made for an ideal cult recruit last night.

Cow and LMP are good second tier choices for lynching, but seriously it boggles the mind just how little attention has been paid to Espeonage. What is it going to take to get people to at least semi-seriously acknowledge the validity of the points being made against him? Faraday's lukewarm "he could be scum" reaction more or less epitomises the apathy of this town towards any case on someone other than their primary scumreads. At least Thor has said he's willing to jump on this wagon if he can't get anywhere with Benmage. One can only hope he stays true to his word.

Hinduragi, DGB & LMP have said that either him or Maemuki are probably scum but haven't actually gone anywhere with that position, not even really in passing. Benmage, Nexus and LL have said absolutely nothing about him: neither has Empking, except to ask DGB who she thought was scummier out of Hascow or Espeonage. The only thing Hascow said on the topic has been "Espeonage is town" with no further reasoning given. Magua was going on Maemuki really really hard in the beginning... then unvoted Espeonage when he replaced in without saying anything about why (then or since).

We want all of these people who have previously gone on the record as thinking Espeonage was scum to give him another look and state in no uncertain terms why you have allowed him to fall off your radar screens.

@Benmage, Nexus, LL and Empking: please take a look at his recent behaviour and give us your thoughts. Among other things, he has spent most of his time in this game attacking Set/us for active lurking and tunnelling on him when his own activity has been considerably less than stellar (the hypocrisy of the latter is fairly self-evident). Do you think this is the kind of behaviour a town player is likely to exhibit?

@Espeonage: a number of people have called you out on a post of yours:

Setael, seriously. When you going to start reading the game and commenting on what is important instead of pointing fingers ignoring most of the game and omgusing? You are still my top pick for CR. However you are scummy independently of that.

Vote: Setael

I'm not sure I understand this post. Is she scummy independent of being your top pick for CR? Or independent of all these other things you said?

Setael, seriously. When you going to start reading the game and commenting on what is important instead of pointing fingers ignoring most of the game and omgusing? You are still my top pick for CR. However you are scummy independently of that.

Vote: Setael

Explain both parts of this that need explaining.

Please respond.

[Espeonage]

First one: Scummy independent.
Second: What parts need explaining.

[CyberSet]

Totally not active lurking!

[SpyreX]

Ohh hay new good blood.

Esp is bad. LL is bad.

This tight race of wagons is REALLY juicy though.

[hasdgfas]

First one: Scummy independent.

Both parts included "scummy independent", so try again.

[vezokpiraka]

unvote
vote cow

This needs to happen. He is scummy. Also his reponse is just to say a 7 word post.

[Espeonage]

Scummy independent of my CR read.

@ Set: Go look at my recent iso in the two other games i'm in.

[DrippingGoofball]

But, counterquestion: Since you think I'm scum, and you think hasdgfas is scum, do you think I'm scum *with* hasdgfas?

I don't know. I think you are both scum, but that doesn't mean you are. We'll see after flips.

[DrippingGoofball]

OK so:

DGB, Spy and Benmage are town with the caveat that any one of these (moreso DGB and Spy tbh) would have made for an ideal cult recruit last night.

Also, ideal mafia NKs. You have to balance this out.

Cow and LMP are good second tier choices for lynching, but seriously it boggles the mind just how little attention has been paid to Espeonage.

He's not

today

's lynch, he needs a little bit more cooking, but Espeonage isn't making it to end game, don't worry.

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CyberSet's post is pretty much a scum manifesto. No cases are made, but there is some whining that

OTHER PLAYERS

aren't pushing hard enough on Espeonage. Without a case on Espeonage. Unless you consider

Espeonage is attacking us CyberSet

a case. Or

Espeonage is a lurker saying we're lurking, oh the hypocrisy.

And CyberSet digs itself further with

while these

OTHER PLAYERS

are town, they could be CULT!

Paranoia!

[DrippingGoofball]

Yeah yeah I know, too much scum, not enough townies.

TOWN

DGB
SpyreX
AGM
Benmage
LynchMePls - was bus'ed - although contribution seems clean. Leaning town though after re-read.
Hinduragi #524 - getting SpyreX to do his dirty work - later seems town

SUPER SKETCH

Magua post #505, but #514 sorta magua-townish. #516 is bad. #523 is baaaaaaad. Does have some decent posts.
Locke Lamora - who is he? Lurking in #655. #701 feels good.
Lost Butterfly - playing out of character
Thor - Kast died after posting little, and Thor being his only suspect. Biblo Baggins was suspicious of Thor as well. Plus defended MoI for town cred? His #718 seems really townie, though.
Setael - I think I had her as town earlier. Has grown worrisomely lurky. Lurking in #656, #768 is good, later dropped super sikrit town tell. But later shows up with scum manifesto. I suspect bad CyberBob logick.

DIE SCUM DIE

Nexus - is in the game? LURKER SCUMZORZ??? >>> LB has not-town read - Lurking in #695
Empking - too much fluff, #709 is scary scummy #769 urgh
Espeonage Maemuki - not getting case, his #539 is a heap of nonsense to justify a townie vote.
hasdgfas - too passive, #650 is fishing for reasons to vote, day 2 (???) sheeping
vezokpiraka - a little too subdued, #527 very forced, baseless accusations of CR, #696 is horrible.

[CyberSet]

CyberSet's post is pretty much a scum manifesto. No cases are made, but there is some whining that

OTHER PLAYERS

aren't pushing hard enough on Espeonage. Without a case on Espeonage. Unless you consider

Espeonage is attacking us CyberSet

a case. Or

Espeonage is a lurker saying we're lurking, oh the hypocrisy.

So you were asleep for most of yesterday, correct? The case against Espeonage has already been made, both by us and others. The post in question here is an attempt to bring more people's attention to it; it is (fairly self-evidently) not an attempt to make a whole new case on its own. This is reaching at its absolute worst.

And CyberSet digs itself further with

while these

OTHER PLAYERS

are town, they could be CULT!

Paranoia!

Mhm, sure. What discussion about the cult and its influence would you say is

permitted

? Is it

permitted

to discuss it at all?

I suspect bad CyberBob logick.

I suspect someone isn't getting enough vitamins in their diet.