Mini 1176: Dexter Season 2 (Game Over) Who Won?

[Fargrass]

I'll ask Farside in our QT, but for now don't expect an answer on that one.

[VP Baltar]

Yeah, that sounds town.

*whisper whisper*

[Fargrass]

We are a hydra! I don't know everything that goes through her head, she posted that not me. It's not that I don't agree it's that you want reasoning and I don't have it, but I still want to keep discussing this right now, and I don't want you to accuse me of dodging.

[VP Baltar]

I wait with baited breath.

[Fargrass]

Because she's played a pro-town game and is questioning everything like a townie does. She is playing this game of mafia like a townie. Cause that's what townies do. Hope that's clear.

It's clear now. When you said mafia play I thought you meant playing as mafia.

[VP Baltar]

Just for the record, Farside thinks it's a VPB-Sotty scumteam too, right? I mean, you guys aren't posting inconsistent opinions in thread are you. That wouldn't be very pro-town of you to do.

[Fargrass]

Nice mis rep, I never said I thought that's who the scum team was, I simply said that you were not helping the idea of that.

[Amrun]

...

Didn't farside say Sotty was town? Wtf is this?

Also, farside - why did you push DDD scum and Sotty scum only to put them as town in your replace out post?

[VP Baltar]

Nice mis rep, I never said I thought that's who the scum team was, I simply said that you were not helping the idea of that.

lol, what is this I don't even...

Ok, so you let me know when you're being serious and when you're not, deal? Who do you think is scum since it's not myself and Sotty?

[Fargrass]

VPB and Hind are our top two scum reads at the moment.

VPB: He's making blanket statements without backing anything he says. He is following people's point of views without expanding on them.
Hind: Ever since my wagon came on I noticed his fence sitting. He is very wishy washy about wether he thinks I'm scum and voting for me. I'm pretty sure he's just sliding by because scum don't typically like to take a stand because then they have to when questioned about their view they need to back it up. (see VPB squiring for examples)

[Blackberry]

I'm skipping to Page 30 for the moment being...

Page 30:

Farside vs. KKN

KKN - I'm interested in why KKN is focusing on LMP so much and not other players, such as Kise.
Farside - Overall town read, she did say something I typically associate with scum, but she has said a lot of things that I associate with town and thus am pretty positive she is town.

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761 - Amrun's "I wouldn't mind lynching KKN as an informative flip"... I only want to lynch scum, I don't want to lynch someone for an information flip... this struck me as odd, but it is possible you just have a different playstyle than me and think you can lynch a townie... my thinking is it's possible for there to be 4 anti-town and that I'd only want to lynch my top reads... also the "I thought about it" comment sounds off

763 - @KKN, What kind of responses do you expect a replacement to have on another person's playstyle? O_o

764 - Socio - How did I set off alarms when I hadn't even read the game yet? This doesn't make sense to me. I do however, know, that when I do post my blantent honesty and free-flow of thought causes some people to think I am scum because they see me as writing a lot and get mad I don't write down concisely what I'm thinking. Although I prefer to write out the majority of my thoughts because at the very least I think my genuineness will show through. But I hadn't really done either of those yet so I am curious what "alarms" I gave off when I'd barely posted/hadn't even read yet.

766 - Amrun - you think it's possible for me to even shoot off alarms with however many posts I had and nothing about the game? I'm a bit surprised you didn't question it.

767 - VP - saying "People on wagons going nowhere are uselss if they are town"... the phrase "if they/you are town" is mostly used by scum to scare town into doing whatever it is you are asking them to do... town shouldn't make such statements as it is a statement that induces fear that "if you don't do this you are scum"... yet you're *trying* to say it in a townie-way... I don't like this at all X_x

768 - Example of above: Tans is induced by fear that VP has suggested

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KKN - The fact he made a votecount to seem townie, but then stops following through with it... makes me unsure, will come back to this... who is more likely to stop it? Scum or town? I actually think scum would NOT give up on it because then they wouldn't seem helpful and they'd be afraid it'd be a scumtell so out of fear they'd keep doing it anyways...

tans - I'm curious why you think I'm town after my first in-depth post... in past games whenever I speak as town and write a lot people seem to think I'm scum because I'm not concise (as mentioned earlier). So it strikes me a little odd that you think I'm town so quickly. Although you do claim to have a town read on LMP so I guess that makes slight since. I'm a little worried of being buddied though XD.

Amished scumtell - I think it's a really silly conversation and something scum are more likely to discuss, the whole concept seems null and it's likely scum will have input to try to make it look scummy. *looks at discussers* Yup, VP is in there.

797 - The way DDD explains why he said that makes me think town. I don't think scum would explain it how he did.

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Amrun - the fact that Amrun hasn't said anything about my post (to further indicate I'm scum, or consider I'm town) makes me question if Amrun is infact a genuine townie genuinely looking at my play. You'd think she would make some sort of comment on it.

VPB - I don't know if LMP made a "derp" move. In is something I would not have done though.

816 - The way Amrun phrases my dislike for replacing LMP suggests Amrun is not town to me.

KKN - You ask if I think I'll be a potential target for tonight. Are you scum wondering if my role is a good target?

Kise - asking about the Cody thing, etc., etc., even if someone else did claim Cody, I really don't think either would be in this settup.

826 - Kise asks why I think he is being lazy. I was referring to post 185 where he barely posts anything and his only scumreads are the people that are easiest to point to and say "I think you're scum" and not posting very much. Do you disagree with being lazy at that point in the game?

Modkilling - I think this modkilling stuff in nonsense. If someone wanted someone modkilled and were scum, they'd discuss it in PM. So nonsense, like the Amished thing, Oh look, it's coming from Amrun again. Also, weird comment from Fargrass. And (thinking I knew) farside saying those comments to Sotty, I'm a bit surprised. As Grass said, I would assume she is under stress or something.

870 - I completely disagree. Farside saying that makes her more town IMO.

876 - Scum making low attacks.

882 - "Wtf is this?" I don't think that's how a townie would react. Fake reaction from scum IMO.

SCUM:

VP
Amrun
Kise

*Most-sure on VP
*Least-sure on Kise, but asking why he was lazy makes me think he is scum.

I'm going to go look @ Hindu real quick. Not happy that Amrun is the one that got it going that way. Also I don't like how Amrun thinks I'm scum, and switches to Hindu, and doesn't post any commentary whatsoever about my first summary post.

[Blackberry]

Also two things I forgot...

@ Sotty - please don't replace out.

@ Kise - I also want a full claim.

Scum team, be scared, I reread a bit of Kise (his referring to game meta, his response to Faraday when he hammared), and I think I just called out your entire team.

[Blackberry]

PS: I also reread a bit of Hindu as well. Although I'll wait to see his reaction, his general posts (quoting old games) read town to me. I want one of my three lynched. I'd actually rather No Lynch than kill anyone else at this point.

[VP Baltar]

Why did you softclaim anyhow blackberry?

[Blackberry]

Cuz I was going to claim anyways with being so close to lynch. Was that really a question you had?

[Hinduragi]

Wow, I didn't even realize I was at L-1. And yes, guys, I apologize. I feel like I'm not getting into this as much as I should. I know my tunneling was bad but, hey, I was getting voted earlier. That's why I explained I needed a reread, in an attempt to stop distracting the town from going for scum and some people mistook that for me thinking my vote on Socio was a bad one and I was trying to avert pressure. If I was a cop, I could've explained it better but I've never played this role before. I couldn't have proved my entire case on this because I have seen townies get tunneled on by players who pulled tracker and saw them do something scummy and both flipped town. I'm pretty sure Socio isn't town, though. I don't think he's ever debated the stronger points of my case with me even when I asked him to. I just can't see town doing this or discrediting me, even townSocio. I'm Esmee Pascal, the replacement Lieutenant. I am very occupied with my personal life so I have very little time to focus on my police work, thus I am only a 2-shot tracker. Why 2? Trust me, I don't get it either. On Night 1, I tracked Socio and saw him visit Locke Lamora. Since then, I've been pretty sure he's scum but noone's been wagon'ing him with me so I couldn't really get the pressure I wanted on him.

I'd actually rather No Lynch than kill anyone else at this point.

On day 2 with no scum flips? Why?

[VP Baltar]

Cuz I was going to claim anyways with being so close to lynch. Was that really a question you had?

OMG yes it was really a question I had. You weren't THAT close to being lynched. Seems kind of ridiculous to chastise your predecessor for bad PR usage while simultaneously softclaiming for no reason. But I don't pretend to be you I suppose.

[Blackberry]

Flavor reasons, I strongly believed Esme and someone else (who may or may no already be dead) are both in this game - and thus, unless someone CCs Esme, Hindi is confirmed in my eyes.

Unvote, Vote: Socio

... How am I supposed to know how close I am to being lynched when I haven't read everything? Looking at the VC I had several votes and people kept saying "let's lynch BB" and knowing we had a short deadline I believed it would be either me or Farside at lynch at that point.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

I'm Esmee Pascal, the replacement Lieutenant. I am very occupied with my personal life so I have very little time to focus on my police work, thus I am only a 2-shot tracker. Why 2? Trust me, I don't get it either. On Night 1, I tracked Socio and saw him visit Locke Lamora.

Socio?

On a quick review Hind's play seems consistent with his claim so either he is a tracker or has just his claim up very well.

[Blackberry]

Actually... Hindi can you check everything you just claimed and make sure you didn't make any mistakes? X_x

[Blackberry]

Actually... Hindi can you check everything you just claimed and make sure you didn't make any mistakes? X_x

Ignore this, nevermind.

[Hinduragi]

I'm Esmee Pascal, the replacement Lieutenant. I am very occupied with my personal life so I have very little time to focus on my police work, thus I am only a 2-shot tracker. Why 2? Trust me, I don't get it either. On Night 1, I tracked Socio and saw him visit Locke Lamora.

Socio?

Yes, Sociopath. The guy I suspected at the end of D1. I've been voting him all of today too.

Actually... Hindi can you check everything you just claimed and make sure you didn't make any mistakes?

Uh, I just checked before I claimed and just now too. Results still says Sociopath and my role is still a 2-shot tracker. Why?

Pedit: Ok, lol

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

I'm Esmee Pascal, the replacement Lieutenant. I am very occupied with my personal life so I have very little time to focus on my police work, thus I am only a 2-shot tracker. Why 2? Trust me, I don't get it either. On Night 1, I tracked Socio and saw him visit Locke Lamora.

Socio?

Yes, Sociopath. The guy I suspected at the end of D1. I've been voting him all of today too.

Yes, I got that; I was asking him for comment on the issue.

[tanstalas]

unvote

for now until socio gets here

@hindu- did you breadcrumb your ability anywhere?

@vpb- why the distinct lack of response to a basically guilty claim on socio?

@bb - yay someone else sees amrunscum

[Blackberry]

I just checked Dexter Season 1:

* Scum have safe name claims, just FYI.

* Also, there was a double-voter, so be careful about putting someone @ L-1 unless you want to risk killing them without a claim, etc.