Charlie the Unicorn Mafia (GAME OVER)

[Charlie]

Challenge accepted.

Charlie: You're scum for stalling your claim, Rhinox.

[Rhinox]

Rhinox, your situation applies if the Mafia are well coordinated. I've some experience in a newbie game where the Mafia took days to organize a quickhammer. Besides, it's a risky move and one Mafia would have to think twice before taking.

I want a massclaim. Please?

Go ahead and massclaim, get full claims, whatever, who am I to stop you.

So, (humoring you) uncoordinated scum might invalidate some of the logic, but doesn't explain pul's result, or why you would vote him today given pul's claim yesterday. If nacho is to be scum, you must think he's scum with pul, but earlier you said you were going to prove the scum is me and nacho. That is impossible with pul's result. So, what can you come up with to explain that?

[Charlie]

Happy Scumday!

[Charlie]

Patience, grasshopper. When Pulindar gets online we'll have a nice chat over a cup of tea over what's going on with the claims. I've already prepared some questions and am hoping this will all clear up. I'm trying to see if its possible that none of us are lying (as I almost always give other people the benefit of the doubt, as Town anyway).

[Rhinox]

Happy Scumday!

Oh thanks! so you must be like on the other side of the world or something, because I've still got another 12 hours before my scumday rolls around.


Anyways, here is my claim, and since you were nice and wished me happy scumday I'll withhold the snark I had planned to lay on thick:
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p3100515

Rhinox.

Claim.

whatever.

VT
flavor name is the bluh bluh bluh.

Back on June 3rd.

[Charlie]

+8GMT, 13 mins past midnight.

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Oh. So you did claim a long time ago. Funny... I hardly remember anything that happened beyond the past few days. Oh well!

So once again, to reiterate what we know:

5 man LyLo

1 claimed tracker
1 claimed jailkeeper
1 claimed one-shot bulletproof
1 claimed one-shot conditional cop
1 claimed VT

Wtf setup?

Confirmed:
1 VT
1 Reaper (what's this role supposed to be?)
2 Lovers
1 PR VT
1 SK
1 Candy Vendor

???

Something isn't feeling right here. Let me ponder a little bit on this.

[ReaperCharlie]

"Reaper" I would assume was a vig, but it's pretty clear that Hayl named the role that so she could flip:

REAPER - CHARLIE THE UNICORN

To which I respond:

N

N

E

E

E

E

I

I

I

I

G

G

H

H

H

H

!

!

!

[ReaperCharlie]

Also, VT is probably the most convenient POSSIBLE claim from scum, because that way they don't have to prove anything they did.

If only you'd have tracked Rhinox instead to see him visit (and kill) people.

[Rhinox]

wait a minute.

someone just deleted a post.

RC made a post that said something about highly doubting there was a VT in the game.

[ReaperCharlie]

Anyway, back to what Charlie was saying:

1 claimed tracker
1 claimed jailkeeper
1 claimed one-shot bulletproof
1 claimed one-shot conditional cop
1 claimed VT

Likely NOT scum roles are:

1s BP (who gives scum BP in a mini?)
1s Cop (mafia don't need cops)
Jailkeeper (unless he's lying and it's a roleblocker)
Tracker (this is not multi-scum, so it's useless to scum)

Likely SCUM roles are:

Roleblocker (if the claimed Jailkeeper is lying)
VT (best possible scum claim in endgame)


Which, again, points to Nacho/Rhinox.


p-edit: ya I had a brain fart.

[Rhinox]

p-edit: ya I had a brain fart.

For everyone else, the post said something about RC doubting there was a VT in the game, which was more evidence I was scum because I claimed VT.

I saw that, went to page 1 to find this: "Tanstalas -

Vanilla Townie

- The Door, lynched D1" so I could laught at RC for his ineptitude, but by the time I came back the post I saw was gone.

Which, again, points to Nacho/Rhinox.

And pul's result?

[Rhinox]

also:

VT (best possible scum claim in endgame)

I didn't claim in endgame, I claimed on, what was it, Day 2?

[Charlie]

Keeping an open mind, scum BP makes sense in an effort to protect them from SK.

Anyway, what's up with deleting posts? If you have that sort of power, please don't abuse it

[ReaperCharlie]

ya i was like "i highly doubt a vt is in the game, what with stuff like "candy vendor" and "reaper", and then i hit send half-cocked

and then like 1 second later i was like "wait a sec, tans flipped vt right?" so i checked the op and indeed, he did. we probably checked at the same time and i was just quicker on the draw. anyway, feel free to laugh at my ineptitude regardless.

nothing of value (or intelligence) was lost. lol

[ReaperCharlie]

Keeping an open mind, scum BP makes sense in an effort to protect them from SK.

Anyway, what's up with deleting posts? If you have that sort of power, please don't abuse it

That does kinda make sense with only 2 scum...

I see what you mean.

[Pulindar]

Prologue

At work
Waiting for haylen to get back to me
Not 100% sure I'm sane but I think
Have seen tracker scum: helps find sk and town prs.

[ReaperCharlie]

Ok, it's been fun, but I'm sick of this game.

Me: Will only vote for Nacho or Rhinox.
Rhinox: Will only vote for RC or Charlie.
Pulindar: Will not vote for Nacho.
Charlie: Seems to be undecided.
Nacho: Has said nothing about who he will or won't lynch. Is lurking and trying to ride his claim. Probably won't vote for Rhinox.

At this point, the scum teams are possibly:

Nacho/Rhinox
Pulindar/Rhinox

Pulindar/Nacho

I don't take Pul/Nacho seriously because the only time I've ever seen scum claim cop and clear their buddy was when I DID IT, in Harry Potter Mafia, and that slot was able to ride my coattails until endgame based on that claim, even though they were under very heavy suspicion before. With the amount of discussion on HP mafia earlier between me and NS, I sincerely doubt that Pul as scum would copy that. I think it's much more likely that Pul would be scum with Rhinox and buddying Nacho to get Nacho's vote during MyLo (now) because Nacho seemed unwilling to lynch Rhinox earlier.

Therefore the only two scum teams left that have even A PRAYER of existing are Nacho/Rhinox (which I have been shouting from the mountaintops for DAYS, and nobody has listened), and Rhinox/Pulindar (like I mentioned in the paragraph above).

THATS ALL THAT MAKES SENSE.

AND RHINOX IS IN BOTH OF THEM.

It's open and shut.

We lynch Rhinox today, he flips scum, then tonight we force Nacho to roleblock/jailkeep Pulindar, and then if somebody dies, we know Pulindar's not scum. Which means it'd have to be Nacho.

ERGO IT MAKES NO SENSE TO VOTE ANYONE BUT RHINOX.

PUL. IF YOU'RE TOWN, VOTE RHINOX
NACHO. IF YOU'RE TOWN, VOTE RHINOX
CHARLIE, VOTE RHINOX

[ReaperCharlie]

Prologue

At work
Waiting for haylen to get back to me
Not 100% sure I'm sane but I think
Have seen tracker scum: helps find sk and town prs.

No, it

doesn't

make sense.

Scum-trackers only exist in multi-scum games (multiple

teams

) and this is not one.

What's the use of finding a PR when almost everyone's a PR? This is a MINI GAME.

Therefore the tracker claim is 99.99999% town.

[Charlie]

Yarr, there is a good chance that none of us are lying about our claims. This is because roles aren't indicative of alignment. Which ups the fun factor!

So I propose an idea: Put yourself in a moderator's shoes. Become Haylen for a moment (or, be the banana king!) and balance the game. Look at the confirmed roles and add your own to that. SK adds an extra kill, lover pair weakens Town, Mafia members are numbered at 2.

Share your thoughts on this in addition to your already formed points.

My own interpretation is that VT claim fits due to severe lack of VTs in this setup. Which means, Rhinox is clear. Which is opposite of my current read. Jailkeeper is probably Mafia role, kinda helps balance the tracker & SK. The other Mafia probably ain't vanilla goon. Which, again, points away from Rhinox. The claimed 1 shot cop that is Pulindar is confusing; assuming Pulindar is telling the truth and correct, Nacho is cleared, which leaves... RC + Rhinox. This is a contradiction and a headache.

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Pulindar, I've played with Nacho a number of times across a few type of games... All of them he was Mafia and I was Town with the exception of a very early Newbie game in which he was Town IC and I was Town. There was a glaring difference in his gameplay. Simply put, he's not playing up to full potential...

P-edit: I advocate patience in LyLo.

[ReaperCharlie]

Good points there, but do you agree with me that it is either Rhinox/Nacho, or Rhinox/Pul?

If so, why no vote on Rhinox, and if not, why not?

To me it has been open and shut since Day 2...
I am rarely wrong about early reads on people.

[ReaperCharlie]

Wait no. I didn't read your post well enough at the part where you said Rhinox is clear.

NO, RHINOX IS NOT CLEAR.

[ReaperCharlie]

THE

REASON

YOU CLAIM VT IS BECAUSE YOU DONT HAVE TO PROVE ANYTHING AND YOU CAN JUST SKATE BY.

THAT IS

WHY

I DONT BELIEVE HIS CLAIM

[ReaperCharlie]

omfg if we lose this game because of people overthinking obvious facts that I've been screaming since day 2.

I am gonna be so pissed.

[Rhinox]

Is this the, "the louder you type, the more correct and awesomer you are" strategy?

[Charlie]

RC, don't worry and just keep as cool as a cucumber... Wait I've used this analogy before didn't I?
Nvm, all I'm saying is "have patience".