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[vezokpiraka]

coolies, I've caught up with all my games now, yay!
Now for my reads:

Town:

Cobblerfone
Deitykabuto
CMAR
Sathoris
jilynne
earworm
Surye
Ironhead

Scum:

Vezok

wredfar

PeregrineV

TheMask

null:

CWorl

sorasgoof

TheJackalope

Pine

SCUM

PeregrineV
Mask

Nocmen

Sorasgoof

Pine

C-Worl

Vezokpiraka

Cobbler
Surye
Earworm
Ironhead
Jily

(as per another post)

TOWN

Amrun replaced Quilford who replaced monk.
Monk's reads are at the top, Amrun's reads below.
2 distinct players,
One male, one female.
One US east coast, one Australian East coast.
One day1 reads, one day2 reads

Almost exact same reads? Who are you kidding? Might happen if you were town, but totally doubt it. Guessing you replaced into a scum slot, and it's easier using what the slot already posted then redo their work.

Unvote. Vote: Amrun

This post. I can't see it coming from town. He is strawmanning to get a lynch on amrun.

[vezokpiraka]

Post 536

Claiming: Hider.

Ironhead is town.

Post 539

I believe the claim and the motivation of Iron as his target.

Unvote

Post 540

Decent chance that he was town and I like his use of logic. Good person to have confirmed.

@Nocmen- How could you like it when he hadn't even given it yet?

Vote: Nocmen

This post is incredibly bad.

He never ever mentioned nocmen in his posts before. This is scum testing the waters if I ever saw one.

[Cobblerfone]

@Pergrine: I've got the hammer, so claim.

[Empking]

Vote Count 28

Cobblerfone
Pine
Nocmen
TheMask (1) - Cobblerfone
Amrun (1) - PeregrineV
Surye
jilynne1991 (1) - TheMask
vezokprika (1) - Ironhead
earworm
chkflip (1) - jilynne1991
PeregrineV (6) - Surye, Nocmen, Amrun, earworm, Pine, vezokprika
Ironhead
sorasgoof

Not Voting: chkflip, sorasgoof

With 13 alive, its 7 to lynch.

[PeregrineV]

My Amrun case: 2 separate players, exact same reads even after all the work Amrun and monk did. I call bullshit.
"Amrun replaced Quilford who replaced monk.
Monk's reads are at the top, Amrun's reads below.
2 distinct players,
One male, one female.
One US east coast, one Australian East coast.
One day1 reads, one day2 reads

Almost exact same reads? Who are you kidding? Might happen if you were town, but totally doubt it. Guessing you replaced into a scum slot, and it's easier using what the slot already posted then redo their work."

Cases on me:
Surye- "He's scummy!"

Nocmen-"Wait....so the reads are possible if Amrun is town so therefore you vote her because she's scum?"

Uhhh, what are the odds of two players, given everything I said above, having the exact same reads? Are you even reading?

Amrun-"That is honestly the dumbest reason to vote that I have ever seen. Have fun with that."

Then after the famous Nocmen "Whatdaja say town whut scum?" post,

"Don't care which one goes first. Peregrine, seriously, thanks for totally ignoring the pages and pages of work that I did (and posted) in order to come to those reads. I like it when my suspects claim scum."

All that work, eh? Wow, you and monk must be spiritually connected.

Earworm-"lol"

Pine- no reason given

Vezo- "LOL. I don't see town saying something like that."

When called out by Ironhead-

"This post. I can't see it coming from town. He is strawmanning to get a lynch on amrun."

Now, I cannot honestly for the life of me figure out why we have such a discrepancy in playstyles. As in me and everyone else.
I point out a legitimate WTF where two different players have the same reads, and everyone wants to lynch me for it?
And Amrun didn't switch her vote until Nocmen voted. That's not a clue to anyone?
And Pine has no reason? Is that bad town or scum? I'd go with scum.
And Earworm & Vezo both lol and vote. I know it's a game, but don't you want to win (if town)?

Anyways. If someone wants to express intent to hammer, I will claim. Otherwise, I'll wait until some rational people think about it.
P-edit: Cobblerfone has expressed intent. Claim upcoming

[PeregrineV]

I'm the cop. The insane one.

[Cobblerfone]

@empking: Do the sanities flip to the player that nightkills them?

[Empking]

@empking: Do the sanities flip to the player that nightkills them?

No

[earworm]

@empking: Do the sanities flip to the player that nightkills them?

why are you asking this?

any cc's?

[Nocmen]

Nocmen-"Wait....so the reads are possible if Amrun is town so therefore you vote her because she's scum?"

Uhhh, what are the odds of two players, given everything I said above, having the exact same reads? Are you even reading?

Let's look at the case again:

"Amrun replaced Quilford who replaced monk.
Monk's reads are at the top, Amrun's reads below.
2 distinct players,
One male, one female.
One US east coast, one Australian East coast.
One day1 reads, one day2 reads

Almost exact same reads? Who are you kidding?

Might happen if you were town, but totally doubt it

. Guessing you replaced into a scum slot, and it's easier using what the slot already posted then redo their work."

You say that it's fully possible to happen if they were town, but theyn you discount that fact completely and say she must be scum.

[Ironhead]

If the cops investigated themselves last night, they know which one is sane and which is not; and scum do not know the sanity of cops that are NK'd. Therefore, I think that if PeregrineV is lying then there will be a counterclaim. Pending this counterclaim, I urge his voters to unvote to prevent the hammer.

If there is no counterclaim, I think we must keep PeregrineV alive and demand his investigation results each day.

[Nocmen]

@empking: Do the sanities flip to the player that nightkills them?

why are you asking this?

any cc's?

It makes sense to me now. Scum would know what to fake, but since they dont know which cop they killed if they killed a cop last night, they can't fake the insane.

Unvote

unless a counterclaim pops.`

[Pine]

Peregrine, what were your results? How do you know you're insane? If you flip insane, we still get information by inverting your results.

[Cobblerfone]

why are you asking this?

It makes sense to me now. Scum would know what to fake, but since they dont know which cop they killed if they killed a cop last night, they can't fake the insane.

^exactly. Though now that I think about it, it's possible if Peregrine is scum and killed a cop he could just claim with this scenario:

If there's no CC, he gets a free pass.

If there is a CC he draws out the other cop and his partner NKs them.

I don't think we should lynch him today, but we should keep an eye on him.

[Amrun]

V/La for an indefinite period of time. My father had a heart attack. I will probably post a little, or maybe even a lot, depending on how much distraction I want, but I may disappear for a couple of days and wanted to make everyone aware.

[earworm]

@Peregrine: why did you wait until the next post to claim?

I voted you because that point was ridiculous. It was very clear that Amrun actually spent a lot of time trying to get reads on people and you called her out saying she just copied and pasted reads from someone else. It's just plain stupid.

Thoughts and prayers out to Amrun.

[Amrun]

V/La for an indefinite period of time. My father had a heart attack. I will probably post a little, or maybe even a lot, depending on how much distraction I want, but I may disappear for a couple of days and wanted to make everyone aware.

[PeregrineV]

Nocmen-"Wait....so the reads are possible if Amrun is town so therefore you vote her because she's scum?"

Uhhh, what are the odds of two players, given everything I said above, having the exact same reads? Are you even reading?

Let's look at the case again:

"Amrun replaced Quilford who replaced monk.
Monk's reads are at the top, Amrun's reads below.
2 distinct players,
One male, one female.
One US east coast, one Australian East coast.
One day1 reads, one day2 reads

Almost exact same reads? Who are you kidding?

Might happen if you were town, but totally doubt it

. Guessing you replaced into a scum slot, and it's easier using what the slot already posted then redo their work."

You say that it's fully possible to happen if they were town, but theyn you discount that fact completely and say she must be scum.

By your logic, anything is possible.
By the realm of logic and probability, given the demographic and sociographic disparity in the aforementioned players, the chances of such highly similar reads approach .0001% depending on the order of allocation to each category.
Unless she used something she already had.
So my question to you
@Nocman- How likely is it that two different players get the same reads? And think about the fact that the second replaced the first.

[PeregrineV]

Peregrine, what were your results? How do you know you're insane? If you flip insane, we still get information by inverting your results.

This was discussed day1. Cops should have investigated themselves. I came up bad, making me the insane one.

[PeregrineV]

@Peregrine: why did you wait until the next post to claim?

I voted you because that point was ridiculous. It was very clear that Amrun actually spent a lot of time trying to get reads on people and you called her out saying she just copied and pasted reads from someone else. It's just plain stupid.

Thoughts and prayers out to Amrun.

Because too much words in one post seems to confuse some people. The claim in a separate post makes it much harder to miss.

I didn't say she copied and pasted. I think it's so very highly unlikely that the exact same slot in the game had 2 players come up with the same reads, that I voted her, and think it's for a good reason.

Which of her posts indicated to you that "it was very clear Amrun spent a lot of time trying to get reads on people."

[PeregrineV]

V/La for an indefinite period of time. My father had a heart attack. I will probably post a little, or maybe even a lot, depending on how much distraction I want, but I may disappear for a couple of days and wanted to make everyone aware.

Hope everyhthing turns out OK.

[Ironhead]

I'm unconvinced PeregrineV is worth lynching today; even if his case against Amrun is weak, it would behoove us to give him some latitude to demonstrate that he is the insane cop.

Vezokpiraka, on the other hand, appears to be a very good lynch. Would anyone care to join me in voting vezokpiraka?

[Amrun]

What wpuld the scum motivation be for doing such a thing? Especially when I went through the trouble of showing my work? Also the reads aren't even the same. I have vezok as town, for example.

Seriously dumbest thing I've ever read.

Who is an insane cop now? Don't have time to read carefully.

[Surye]

UNVOTE:

@Amrun I am sorry to hear that, thoughts go out to you and your family.

@PeregrineV The sanity part of the claim is good, it should hurt the scum's fake claiming, and makes it harder for you to fake claim now (as a CC would be easier, and not have the problem of the bodyguard where if it was fake, there would be two others). I don't like that you dismissed my case that simply, but oh well. Anyways, you are definitely not the lynch today.

Vezo and Jilly are next up for scrutiny. I'm not going to let them slip by with a VI/noob badge. Because amrun seem vehement about Jil, and Vezo's last posts were so awful, Vezo is good.

VOTE: Vezo

pedit, Ironhead, you read my mind. But where is your vote?

pedit, Amrun, Yes it's dumb, his insistence is worse, but I don't think it is in towns best interest to lynch him today.

[earworm]

What wpuld the scum motivation be for doing such a thing? Especially when I went through the trouble of showing my work? Also the reads aren't even the same. I have vezok as town, for example.

Seriously dumbest thing I've ever read.

Who is an insane cop now? Don't have time to read carefully.

Peregrine claimed insane cop

UNVOTE:

@Ironhead: what about Pine instead? If you feel really strongly about Vezok I'd be down, but I'd prefer a Pine lynch right now