Mini 1194: Reverse Mafia [Game Over]

[Bub Bidderskins]

Speaking on future days: Assuming no role- or event-based effects, Limbo players may talk during any Day phase.

I was thinking that was the case, but I wasn't 100%. Thanks for clarification. Anyway, because of this I'm going to go ahead and

vote: Bub Bidderskins

The main reason I held out was because I was afraid that if D 0.75 ended then none of the players in limbo would be able to talk again. I would still like to see the wred slot contribute, though .

[Parama]

First thoughts:
Stop voting. Slaxx is gonna rez it up in here and we should all psuedo-vote on his action target. He's going to be NKed if he doesn't action, most likely.
NOTE: Psuedo-vote is not the end-all of Slaxx's ability use. He has veto power, mainly because it's his action.
Not going to psuedo vote, since I don't remember much about this game <.< And I'm reading.

[Slaxx]

I don't get night killed night 1, mafia cannot kill then.

[Parama]

Oh yeah. I kinda forgot about that, along with the rest of this game >.<
Never mind then.

[Slaxx]

Parama, SC is scum I think. whatcha think?

[Parama]

I dunno. I need to read. I'm doing that.
v--stuff down there ASAP, probably less than a minute.

[Parama]

VOTE: Bub Bidderskins
Thoughts?

Thoughts:
1. Why didn't you vote me?
2. Why did you vote Bub?
3. Why did you ask for others' opinions on your particular vote?

I think bobsnox is scum due to -> mad that no1 votes him (Possibly his scumbuddies aswell)
If you read his posts: "Why is my meta bad?" etc. etc.

Elaborate? Examples?

This needs some thought. Again, no narcissism this time.

What changed?

I'm thinking that probably the best revival at this point is SC, because if he's town he'll scumhunt. but I should probably iso him first, just to get a clearer read. I'll be back.

There are several players not alive who could scumhunt when they're alive. Players in limbo can still scumhunt, too. If that's you're only reason for wanting to revive him...
Do you have thoughts on... anything else? This is literally the first shred of content you've provided, and we've already gone through .5 days and 5 pages.

Actually, I think someone coming off as more town than both Bub and SC is being ignored in the discussion

Vote:Packbat

Now elaborate.

People I will not revive: bobsnox, SC, wredfar, kewieagle, Awesoma, crypto (many of whom just haven't discussed enough)

ELABORATE.
Also, woot, you just crossed off over 50% of the remaining limbolist. You're either doing some serious scumhunting and townhunting, or you're just calling out random names because you don't care as much about who's revived.

Nah, you both had ugly votes on the Parama wagon.

Admittance and Deflection.

Ftfy

YES.
CONTINUED IN MY NEXT POST - COMING SOON TO A THREAD NEAR MONTREAL, INDIA.

[Slaxx]

I need to use my power soon, mainly because I am going to have to go out of town and I would like to wrap this up.

Don't kill me if its wrong :/

[Parama]

I'm holding off until wredfar has contributed before continuing.

Actually, this is a game where lurkers don't really hurt as much. We don't revive them, and there's a great chance for reviving someone else besides.

What makes mine worse then the rest?

Answer this first:
What makes yours better than any of the others? How is it better than even one of the other votes?
BTW, I am positive there were at least 2 scum on my wagon. It was easy as hell to jump on inconspicuously.

Wredfar is mafia.

vote: crypto

I haven't a clue if you're right or not, but you're town. I vote town.

Wredfar is mafia.

Reason?

Why do you care? Right now we need to be townhunting first and scumhunting second.

He's town because of his first post honestly. Even though he misrepped people, I think the post speaks for itself.

Even if it speaks for itself... what is it saying, then? "It speaks for itself" is another way of saying "I have no idea why it's town but if someone else analyzes it they can probably find something I didn't."

VOTE: Bub Bidderskins

...and at present I am specifically looking for more posting from crypto, Pomegranate, and wredfar before we start narrowing the field to a single revival candidate.

If you don't want to narrow the field to a single revival candidate yet, why are you voting? Your post is saying: "This is who I think should be our single revival candidate, but we shouldn't pick a single revival candidate yet."

@bobsknox
uh... he's already been revived. Your post is null.

Yeah, guess it's a good thing I'm scum

My vote will probably go on to packbat currently (still waiting for wredfar to post before voting.)

Why will your vote go on packbat? You haven't said anything about him.

At first I was surprised that Bub was getting votes, then I realized that he's actually acting more helpful than usual. Maybe I will. But I still like SC. Bleh.

Why do you like SC? This is different from your previous reason for voting him.

I was going to ask AntB on what he was holding off at post #125 (I was worried he was going to exempt himself from contributing), but post #135 answers that question.

And leaves many more questions unanswered.

I like Packbat's current attempts to stir up activity, so I'm going to VOTE: Packbat for right now. If I get another strong town read, I'll take that into consideration.

Examples?

I have too many fucking town reads and I'm loath to commit to any of them at the moment. Leaning toward voting Bub.

These town reads would be?...

Waiting for Wred before I place my vote...

*********************

I want to call Pom scum so bad but I too am just getting LazyTown off of her. Right now there is scum in (crypto/wred), (bob/kiwi), and someone else I have overlooked. Maybe SC or Awesoma.

First batch:
To be decided. crypto is town. wred may or may not be town.
Second batch:
kiwi's scum if anyone.
Third batch:
Feeling Awesoma more than SC, though I'm not sure about SC either way, mainly because I haven't been here to remember anything <_<

Okay, reread both SC and Bub, and although SC is a good scumhunter, he's kinda neutral. And Bub was more helpful/participatory than I expected, which is a mildly happy surprise. They're both good, but for the moment I think I'll go with Bub.

VOTE: Bub.

Okay, you realized your mistake before I even pointed it out.
Pome's town, guys.

Also, wred

or

crypto can be scum, but not wred

and

crypto. Crypto's totally unbacked accusastion against wred makes sure of that.

That's a bit of a WIFOM situation, actually - it would be incredibly brazen, with a significant risk of backfire, but I could imagine scum pulling that as a gambit.

Yay, let's throw in random doubt based on WIFOM.
There is no point to Packbat's post except to cause confusion. It could be true, or it might not be. I'm banking on the latter. Packbat's post only exists to try and promote the former. Causing confusion. Since the latter is more likely. He's just trying to make the possibility exist, even though it probably shouldn't.
DONUT LAKE.

Pack's totally scum. Stop voting him, people. This is like the 2nd or 3rd time he's made a post that looks scummy to me. My scumdar is usually right on these things. Seriously, drop the Packbat votes.

[Slaxx]

Yep.

unvote

Let me reread. I can see Pack+SC.

Toasty+Pom are town though.

[Parama]

Also: what crypto has done is attack wredfar in the most unconvincing way possible. Assuming they were both scum, that would be textbook distancing.

The way crypto's posting will make it unlikely that he gets revived soon. Mafia want to get revived ASAP.
I don't see how his posting reads as anything other than town.
Remember that distancing doesn't mean crap in a game where you can't lynch scum. Hell, we can't flip them without a vig. We only get townflips if vigless, and scum control most of those. What good is distancing, then?

crypto's arbitrary attack on him is

clearly scummy

the last thing you'd expect scum to do this early in the game.

fixed

Packbat is still the person I'm most in favor in reviving.

bad

VOTE: StrangerCoug

I like how he's thinking.

nope.gif

ftfy

With both Parama and SC being possible buddies, bud is better.

If I was drinking water, I would've spit it out at this point.
YOU VOTED ME. IF WE WERE POSSIBLE BUDDIES WHO WERE BOTH PRIME CANDIDATES FOR REVIVAL EARLY IN THE GAME, WHY DID YOU VOTE ONE OF US?
HELL, IF YOU THINK ME AND SC COULD BE BUDDIES, THAT MEANS YOU THINK I COULD BE SCUM. AND YOU VOTED ME ANYWAYS.
KIWISCUM IS TOAST. TOASTY TOAST. BLACK, BURNT, DISGUSTING TOAST. BLACK LIKE THE MAFIA.
also kiwi
never respond inside a quote ever again.
that is the worst possible way to post. worse than quote stripes. worse than huge walls.
worse than what these last couple of posts of mine have been.

That's L-2 on me - unless we really start running into deadline issues, I want to meet wredfar's replacement before we go on to Day 1. Voting behavior is much more revealing than voteless behavior.

Now you're acting like you've already been revived. Seriously, can't get more obvious.

slaxxxxxx I don't think SC is scum, at least not with kiwi, and kiwi is more likely to be scum than SC is.
I still think the vote on crypto is best.
Packbat is 100% confirmed scum though, people should get away from everything he represents.

[Slaxx]

If PB is scum, there is one scum on his wagon,. 90% sure on this. Pick-a-Partner-Parama

[Slaxx]

PArama, Kiwi already locked himself into a not-PR claim. I don't think he is scum.

[ToastyToast]

73 is the first post that made me develop a town-read on Packbat. The way he reacted to the votes was also a town reaction. He acknowledged that he has no problems being revived today but still thinks Bub is the best choice for the day.

Enough ppl are against it to give me doubt, so

Unvote:Packbat

People I will not revive: bobsnox, SC, wredfar, kewieagle, Awesoma, crypto (many of whom just haven't discussed enough)

ELABORATE.
Also, woot, you just crossed off over 50% of the remaining limbolist. You're either doing some serious scumhunting and townhunting, or you're just calling out random names because you don't care as much about who's revived.

This is a temporary list of people who I don't want to revive today. bobsnox has bad wagoning habits and is very unproductive. I just don't see where the "SC is town" camp is getting their conclusion from. wredfar and crypto both need to post. like, really. Awesoma's early play was scummy, and the fact that he has disappeared means he's trying to distance himself from said early play. I agree with the scum read on kiwieagle.

The one standout on ppl I'd be willing to revive today is Pomegranate, but she is still on the bottom of my town list and as such I prefer Packbat, Bub (even tho he pissed me off), or myself.

[ToastyToast]

KIWISCUM IS TOAST. TOASTY TOAST. BLACK, BURNT, DISGUSTING TOAST. BLACK LIKE THE MAFIA.

Toasted kiwi. sounds pretty friggin' disgusting, unlike myself

[StrangerCoug]

This needs some thought. Again, no narcissism this time.

What changed?

Both of my strong town reads at the time other than myself were revived. If your question is about my "no narcissism" comment, I simply thought my vote was more useful on somebody other than myself. We won't get anywhere if we all self-vote, now will we?

I was going to ask AntB on what he was holding off at post #125 (I was worried he was going to exempt himself from contributing), but post #135 answers that question.

And leaves many more questions unanswered.

What questions?

I like Packbat's current attempts to stir up activity, so I'm going to VOTE: Packbat for right now. If I get another strong town read, I'll take that into consideration.

Examples?[/quote]
The main standout is his encouragement of getting people to participate at the end of #133. Mafia wins because of inactive players too many times for my liking anymore.

I disagree with Parama about crypto. The latter and wredfar don't make sense as both scum, and the necessary change of Mafia strategy that Parama brought up has been taken into account, but I still don't see crypto-town. I'm convinced enough of Parama's case on Packbat to UNVOTE: Packbat, however.

Slaxx makes a good point in #187—I don't think scum would want to effectively claim vanilla townie that early. VOTE: kiwieagle.

[Parama]

Oh hey mod can you prod Awesoma when you get back? Thanks.

[Slaxx]

Just because kiwi is town doesnt mean we want to revive him. No offense but there are more competent players I am trying to decide on right now. I'm feeling ballsy and am about ready to send in my revive on Toasty. You guys have half an hour to comment on it before I do it.

[Parama]

Slaxx.
Wait until Day 1.
Please.
I have reasons. It'll almost certainly be better to wait until Day 1 to revive a player.

[Slaxx]

Well Parama is town.

Still, I need to do this soon before I leave for Texas.

[kiwieagle]

Also: what crypto has done is attack wredfar in the most unconvincing way possible. Assuming they were both scum, that would be textbook distancing.

The way crypto's posting will make it unlikely that he gets revived soon. Mafia want to get revived ASAP.
I don't see how his posting reads as anything other than town.
Remember that distancing doesn't mean crap in a game where you can't lynch scum. Hell, we can't flip them without a vig. We only get townflips if vigless, and scum control most of those. What good is distancing, then?

crypto's arbitrary attack on him is

clearly scummy

the last thing you'd expect scum to do this early in the game.

fixed

Packbat is still the person I'm most in favor in reviving.

bad

VOTE: StrangerCoug

I like how he's thinking.

nope.gif

ftfy

With both Parama and SC being possible buddies, bud is better.

If I was drinking water, I would've spit it out at this point.
YOU VOTED ME. IF WE WERE POSSIBLE BUDDIES WHO WERE BOTH PRIME CANDIDATES FOR REVIVAL EARLY IN THE GAME, WHY DID YOU VOTE ONE OF US?
HELL, IF YOU THINK ME AND SC COULD BE BUDDIES, THAT MEANS YOU THINK I COULD BE SCUM. AND YOU VOTED ME ANYWAYS.
KIWISCUM IS TOAST. TOASTY TOAST. BLACK, BURNT, DISGUSTING TOAST. BLACK LIKE THE MAFIA.
also kiwi
never respond inside a quote ever again.
that is the worst possible way to post. worse than quote stripes. worse than huge walls.
worse than what these last couple of posts of mine have been.

You are the first person to critque the way I post.
And I like to post like this tbh.

OH AND MAYBE IF I CAPSLOCK YOU WILL UNDERSTAND ME BETTER

KEY WORD = POSSIBLE.

PAGE 1 YOU BOTH WERE LIKE, REVIVE ME PLOX REVIVE ME PLOX.
ITS A POSSIBILITY.
BEING COMPETENT DOESNT MAKE YOU TOWN.

That's L-2 on me - unless we really start running into deadline issues, I want to meet wredfar's replacement before we go on to Day 1. Voting behavior is much more revealing than voteless behavior.

Now you're acting like you've already been revived. Seriously, can't get more obvious.

slaxxxxxx I don't think SC is scum, at least not with kiwi, and kiwi is more likely to be scum than SC is.
I still think the vote on crypto is best.
Packbat is 100% confirmed scum though, people should get away from everything he represents.

[Slaxx]

Kiwi, thoughts on Toasty revive?

[kiwieagle]

I'm holding off until wredfar has contributed before continuing.

Actually, this is a game where lurkers don't really hurt as much. We don't revive them, and there's a great chance for reviving someone else besides.

What makes mine worse then the rest?

Answer this first:
What makes yours better than any of the others? How is it better than even one of the other votes?
BTW, I am positive there were at least 2 scum on my wagon. It was easy as hell to jump on inconspicuously.

It was my first post.
And I was stating a probability.

Wredfar is mafia.

vote: crypto

I haven't a clue if you're right or not, but you're town. I vote town.

Wredfar is mafia.

Reason?

Why do you care? Right now we need to be townhunting first and scumhunting second.

He's town because of his first post honestly. Even though he misrepped people, I think the post speaks for itself.

Even if it speaks for itself... what is it saying, then? "It speaks for itself" is another way of saying "I have no idea why it's town but if someone else analyzes it they can probably find something I didn't."

VOTE: Bub Bidderskins

...and at present I am specifically looking for more posting from crypto, Pomegranate, and wredfar before we start narrowing the field to a single revival candidate.

If you don't want to narrow the field to a single revival candidate yet, why are you voting? Your post is saying: "This is who I think should be our single revival candidate, but we shouldn't pick a single revival candidate yet."

@bobsknox
uh... he's already been revived. Your post is null.

Yeah, guess it's a good thing I'm scum

My vote will probably go on to packbat currently (still waiting for wredfar to post before voting.)

Why will your vote go on packbat? You haven't said anything about him.

At first I was surprised that Bub was getting votes, then I realized that he's actually acting more helpful than usual. Maybe I will. But I still like SC. Bleh.

Why do you like SC? This is different from your previous reason for voting him.

I was going to ask AntB on what he was holding off at post #125 (I was worried he was going to exempt himself from contributing), but post #135 answers that question.

And leaves many more questions unanswered.

I like Packbat's current attempts to stir up activity, so I'm going to VOTE: Packbat for right now. If I get another strong town read, I'll take that into consideration.

Examples?

I have too many fucking town reads and I'm loath to commit to any of them at the moment. Leaning toward voting Bub.

These town reads would be?...

Waiting for Wred before I place my vote...

*********************

I want to call Pom scum so bad but I too am just getting LazyTown off of her. Right now there is scum in (crypto/wred), (bob/kiwi), and someone else I have overlooked. Maybe SC or Awesoma.

First batch:
To be decided. crypto is town. wred may or may not be town.
Second batch:
kiwi's scum if anyone.
Third batch:
Feeling Awesoma more than SC, though I'm not sure about SC either way, mainly because I haven't been here to remember anything <_<

Okay, reread both SC and Bub, and although SC is a good scumhunter, he's kinda neutral. And Bub was more helpful/participatory than I expected, which is a mildly happy surprise. They're both good, but for the moment I think I'll go with Bub.

VOTE: Bub.

Okay, you realized your mistake before I even pointed it out.
Pome's town, guys.

Also, wred

or

crypto can be scum, but not wred

and

crypto. Crypto's totally unbacked accusastion against wred makes sure of that.

That's a bit of a WIFOM situation, actually - it would be incredibly brazen, with a significant risk of backfire, but I could imagine scum pulling that as a gambit.

Yay, let's throw in random doubt based on WIFOM.
There is no point to Packbat's post except to cause confusion. It could be true, or it might not be. I'm banking on the latter. Packbat's post only exists to try and promote the former. Causing confusion. Since the latter is more likely. He's just trying to make the possibility exist, even though it probably shouldn't.
DONUT LAKE.

Pack's totally scum. Stop voting him, people. This is like the 2nd or 3rd time he's made a post that looks scummy to me. My scumdar is usually right on these things. Seriously, drop the Packbat votes.

[Parama]

1st kiwi post:
dodging the point.
I am not reading kiwi's posts anymore if he does not start posting outside of quotes. I encourage the rest of the players to do the same.
2nd kiwi post:
Compare your vote to what you feel is the worst vote, and tell me why yours is better. Okay?

[kiwieagle]

hmmm....


Next time I quote, I will try to write longer.
A bit waste of space.


@slaxx
Im indifferent.
You are the one making the choice, do what you think is correct.
Toasty has played a bit townish.

though wtf was the point of point of post #189.