Mini1147-Royal Mafia at the Round Table (Game Over!)

[Quilford]

I am here, I am reading, I will post soon, hopefully.

[Quilford]

Okay, so. Since we're so close to deadline, I've done analysis on only the people who currently have votes on them.

I'm going to strike off Oso and Twistedspoon from that list, Oso because I'm getting a really townie read off his posts, and Twistedspoon because I believe his one-shot cop claim.

So I did a little vote count analysis on the two remaining, M=W and NE.

Me=Weird

: 3rd VOTE: (EA) - 4th (ender) - 1st (NE) - 3rd (Klazam)
ender:
'"I'll find out what he is tonight." Wait, what's this? You're going to kill him?'
Scum would absolutely never say "I'll find out what he is tonight".
Me=Weird ignores the possibility of ender having an investigative role.

Oso:
Doesn't give any reasoning for voting Oso.

Necessary Evil

: 3rd VOTE: (Oso) - 5th (ender) - 2nd (Ts) - 3rd (M=W)
ender:
EA brings up good points on his poor case in the following link.
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p2934764


I find it notable that they're actually voting for the other at one stage.

I'm going to therefore
VOTE: Me=Weird

[Quilford]

EA, you're too awesome for words.

Also, I'm clear.

[Quilford]

Great. We test the guilty; if it's lies, we get TS the following day; if it's correct then we get scum; if Twisted's bussing we still get scum.

VOTE: Necessary Evil

[Quilford]

It hardly matters which way we do it; this isn't mylo.

[Quilford]

I still think NE's the guilty one, I've just played a game with him in which he used a similar "I'm not scum so you must be" response to a guilty on him (he was scum, and he won *shakes fist*).

[Quilford]

Shall I / am I allowed to post Juls' reads from the Mason QT last night?

[Quilford]

Okay, why not. I see nothing wrong with doing so. All below was originally written by Juls.

Town
======
Javert - just don't buy a scum-day-vig
Oso - Has seemed pretty pro town but is one I want to take another look at given EAs stance on him
EA - Again, pretty protown. I am trying to decide if I think his hammer was scummy or not. He was definitely against a Me=Weird lynch but I kinda see where he is coming from.

Null
========
Rhinox - He is bothering me somewhat, I used to feel like I could read him but I haven't played in well over a year. His effort seems half-ass but I seem to remember him pushing lynchs more as scum.
Twistedspoon - I want to believe his claim but sometimes he says things that get my attention in a not-so-town way.
farside22 - At first I felt town but now I'm not so sure. Seems to be sheeping a lot. I have played with her before but again, long time. So I will try to reread some of our past games.
Necessary Evil - Was leaning scum with him earlier but his reactions to my "lurking" posts seem genuine. Although, I still don't like that he is active lurking. I kinda backed off when I saw he only has 75 posts site wide.

Scum-leaning
=========
Maxous - Don't really get a town vibe from him at all.
Prosaurus - I didnt like his reaction to the mason claim and his whole "shoot me" thing either. He is probably the one I am leaning most for of scum.

I have also started thinking today that there may be two scum teams. I don't know why I didn't think of it before but it just occurred to me today.
...
The main reason I think there may be more than one team is the way it was so difficult to form a wagon toward the end of the day. Also, the fact that town has at least 4 confirm-able roles in us, the cop, the vig.

[Quilford]

I still think NE's the guilty one, I've just played a game with him in which he used a similar "I'm not scum so you must be" response to a guilty on him (he was scum, and he won *shakes fist*).

And what exactly do you expect his response as town to be? "I'm not scum so you must have misread your investigation result"?

No, no, he states "I'm not scum so you must be" in some way when a more townie player would just jump straight into the arguments against their accuser. Here's the quote from the aforementioned game where he was scum

I fall off your scum list and then you "investigate" me instead of your other suspect. I know I'm not scum so you must be.

and from this game

Wow, this is going to be an easy lynch. Cop sanity is guaranteed in normals and framer-type roles aren't allowed, so TS must be lying.

I don't know, I just see the same kind of simplistic arrogance shining through.

[Quilford]

Bleh. The meta's convinced me.

VOTE: Twistedspoon

[Quilford]

D:

3 is a really, really good point

UNVOTE:

[Quilford]

VOTE: Necessary Evil

[Quilford]

What do you make out of TwistedSpoon claiming he believed Ender due to it being a "One-shot" themed game when Ender was the only person who had claimed a One Shot role?

No offence to Twistedspoon but it would be serious quick thinking to do this in the next post

2 minutes

after Ender's claim.

Anyone who thinks TS is scum after this is also scum.

Getting bad vibes from farside.

[Quilford]

I'm just going to keep posting this until people start answering it:

How could TS survive today without claiming a guilty?

The fact that I've posted this question twice and nobody has answered it is proof that none of you are thinking this through. Oh, and what is this case on me that I can't seem to find anywhere? You're all just sheeping the scummiest player. Awful, awful play from all of you. You should be ashamed!

*spits water out*

bahahahahahahahhaa

[Quilford]

Welcome.

[Quilford]

NE obviously self-hammered to shut farside up.

VOTE: farside22

[Quilford]

I doubt it. If they're both scum, NE would probably say that in the scum QT.
Unless he's trying to shut up town, in which case why vote?

I have no idea what you mean.

[Quilford]

How do you know if scum have daytalk?!

[Quilford]

mod, you may want to correct the vote count to display Locke's name, not EA's

Ahem, I do not know what you are talking about. *Innocent Face*

[Quilford]

I strongly doubt scum have daytalk.

and even if NE told farside to shut up, the resulting flip would look crazy suss

[Quilford]

as in, the read-flip

[Quilford]

naah you were buddefending him all day

[Quilford]

imo we have Prosaurus/farside scum

[Quilford]

if not Prosaurus than Maxous

But yeah farside needs to be lynched

[Quilford]

I need to have a discussion with G as soon as possible, though last we spoke our town-read on Pros had gotten far stronger and todays actions only strengthen that. I still feel like yesterday was a buss but G doesn't anymore.

The self-hammer is generally because mafia is already on the lynch, otherwise the player generally lets his partners hammer to gain town-cred, so going to need to do some more reading into EAs slot.

Why EA's slot?

[Quilford]

what Maxous said (about Javert) was also my reasoning

[Quilford]

Catch up post:

@Pro: How do you know what a day talk is if you never played scum before?
I see you said something about Mason. Have you been in a game you were mason with a day talk?

Well I knew scum have a quick topic, I didn't think there were rules against them using it during the day.
I think Mason must have daytalk, how else could Quilford post Juls' final reads on Day 1?

She made them on Night 1.

I'm seeing some convincing arguments against EA/LL.

[Quilford]

Why do you ask?

[Quilford]

Locke:
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 3#p3014523

[Quilford]

There's no way we have TSscum

[Quilford]

There's no way we have TSscum

Explain.

While you're at it state your thoughts on Maxous.

why would he need to bus his partner

rereading maxous

[Quilford]

TS ISN'T SCUM FOR THE SIMPLE FACT THAT HE HAD NO NEED TO FAKECLAIM A PR AND BUS HIS SCUMBUDDY

jeez

[Quilford]

UNVOTE:
I now want a Maxous or LL lynch more than I do a farside lynch.

[Quilford]

Rhinox made an excellent case. Let me find a link.

... you linked to it three posts prior?

[Quilford]

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p3014523

[Quilford]

it's also where I got my maxous thing from

and together it makes them look scummier than Prosaurus and farside

[Quilford]

VOTE: Maxous

[Quilford]

wait no lol

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Locke Lamora

this flip will be much more useful

[Quilford]

I'm going to hammer if nobody protests; that post of reads from Maxous (almost all of which I disagree with) should provide good material for tomorrow depending on his flip.

[Quilford]

Do us proud, town.
VOTE: Maxous

[Quilford]

I predicted being alive.

More likely than not it's mylo.

[Quilford]

We can either nl and give the scum a free kill or we can massclaim, and then lynch

I like the latter

[Quilford]

LL
Prosaurus
farside
Duplicity

we already know ts' claim and mine

[Quilford]

Locke. It's mylo. We're nling today.

I'll get round to more questions later.

[Quilford]

I can't think that Twisted is scum

his 'one shot' tell was too townie

And if he were scum I doubt he'd have said it at all

[Quilford]

Sorry guys

I'll spend some time with this game tonight

[Quilford]

graaaaaaaaaaaaah

ts is at worst useless town not scum

[Quilford]

okay I accept and take full responsibility for being the crappiest clear in the world

but I really really really want a massclaim before we lynch on mylo

[Quilford]

Go for it. Popcorn. Also, unvote so we get no unexpected hammers.

[Quilford]

It's definitely not LL with farside.

If Prosaurus is scum I will be surprised and annoyed.

It's either LL/Dup, Dup/farside, TS/farside IMO

imma reread soon

[Quilford]

This incident involved EA believing that Farside was editing and manipulating her posts and occured in Post #147, Post #149, Post #150 and Post #156. I don't see EA screenshotting his partners posts and stating it openely in the thread with knowledge that it could potentially lead towards Farsides mod-kill and a major inconvienance towards his scum-team.

[Quilford]

yeah um twisted is town as is prosaurus

votes off now

duplicity/LL + farside scumteam

[Quilford]

say this is theoretically the setup

2 One-Shot Cops
2 Town Masons
1 One-Shot Day Vigilante
5 Vanilla Townies
3 Mafia (not sure of specifics)

is it balanced?

[Quilford]

All the points raised D2 about the NE vs Twisted lynch make Twisted town.

Dup I never said that I thought you were scum.

Pro would've hammered if he were scum and TS town.

VOTE: Farside

I wouldn't be surprised if I've completely fucked up.

[Quilford]

UNVOTE: Farside

ugh

[Quilford]

1) Yes you did, you state that scum is LL/Dup + Farside while also stating that LL+Farside aren't a scum-team.

2) Pros never had hammer as I had unvoted, the only way he could have hammered was if you voted Twisted or Twisted self-voted, neither was the case.

3) I've already explained how bussing in a situation such as day twos would be optimal scum play therefore I find it hard to understand what your Twisted town-read is based upon, can you please attempt to elaborate on your explanation.

1) I fucked up. You're not scum.

2) farside had voted, no?

3) Everything everything everything else on TS makes him scum but the 'one-shot' "claim" makes all that town.

[Quilford]

weekend's approaching, I'll vote then with an explanation

[Quilford]

okay okay

spare me

I will have voted and made a case by the end of the weekend hopefully long before

[Quilford]

time for some vca

Spoiler: lengthy vca

Oso (2):

Rhinox

,

Juls

Erratus Apathos (2): Oso,

ender241

Rhinox

(1):

Maxous

Juls

(1): farside22

ender241

(1): Erratus Apathos

Maxous

(1): Twistedspoon
Prosaurus (1):

Javert

Necessary Evil

(0):

Klazam

(0):

Me=Weird

(0):
farside22 (0):

Javert

(0):
Twistedspoon (0):
No Lynch (0):
Not Voting (4):

Necessary Evil

, Prosaurus,

Klazam

,

Me=Weird

Oso (3):

Rhinox

,

Juls

,

Necessary Evil

Erratus Apathos (3): Oso,

ender241

,

Me=Weird

Rhinox

(1):

Maxous

Klazam

(1): Erratus Apathos

Maxous

(1): Twistedspoon
Prosaurus (1):

Javert

Twistedspoon (1): farside22

Juls

(0):

Necessary Evil

(0):

ender241

(0):

Me=Weird

(0):
farside22 (0):

Javert

(0):
No Lynch (0):
Not Voting (2): Prosaurus,

Klazam

ender241

(5):

Javert

, Oso, farside22,

Me=Weird

,

Necessary Evil

Oso (3):

Rhinox

,

Juls

,

Necessary Evil

Javert

(2): Twistedspoon, Prosaurus
Erratus Apathos (1):

Me=Weird

Rhinox

(1):

Maxous

Prosaurus (1): Erratus Apathos

Klazam

(0):

Maxous

(0):
Twistedspoon (0):

Juls

(0):

Necessary Evil

(0):

Me=Weird

(0):
farside22 (0):
No Lynch (0):
Not Voting (2):

Klazam

,

ender241

ender241

(4):

Javert

, farside22,

Me=Weird

,

Necessary Evil

Oso (2):

Rhinox

,

Necessary Evil

Javert

(2): Twistedspoon, Prosaurus
Erratus Apathos (1):

Me=Weird

Rhinox

(1):

Maxous

Twistedspoon (1): Erratus Apathos

Me=Weird

(1):

Juls

Prosaurus (0):

Klazam

(0):

Maxous

(0):

Juls

(0):

Necessary Evil

(0):
farside22 (0):
No Lynch (0):
Not Voting (3):

Klazam

,

ender241

, Oso

Twistedspoon (4): Erratus Apathos,

Necessary Evil

, Farside22,

Juls

Necessary Evil

(2):

Me=Weird

, Twistedspoon

ender241

(1):

Maxous

Me=Weird

(1):

Klazam

Oso (0):

Javert

(0):
Erratus Apathos (0):

Rhinox

(0):
Prosaurus (0):

Klazam

(0):

Maxous

(0):

Juls

(0):
farside22 (0):
No Lynch (0):
Not Voting (5):

ender241

, Oso,

Javert

, Prosaurus,

Rhinox

Prosaurus (2):

Klazam

,

Me=Weird

Twistedspoon (1): Erratus Apathos

Necessary Evil

(1): Twistedspoon

Me=Weird

(1):

Juls

Erratus Apathos (1): Prosaurus

Klazam

(1): Farside22

ender241

(0):
Oso (0):

Javert

(0):

Rhinox

(0):

Maxous

(0):

Juls

(0):
farside22 (0):
No Lynch (0):
Not Voting (6):

ender241

, Oso,

Javert

,

Rhinox

,

Necessary Evil

,

Maxous

Klazam

(3): Farside22, Erratus Apathos,

Me=Weird

Necessary Evil

(1): Twistedspoon
Prosaurus (1):

Klazam

Me=Weird

(1):

Juls

Erratus Apathos (1): Prosaurus
Twistedspoon (0):
Oso (0):

Javert

(0):

Rhinox

(0):

Maxous

(0):

Juls

(0):
farside22 (0):
No Lynch (0):
Not Voting (5): Oso,

Javert

,

Rhinox

,

Necessary Evil

,

Maxous

Klazam

(2):

Me=Weird

, Prosaurus

Necessary Evil

(2): Twistedspoon,

Juls

Me=Weird

(2):

Maxous

, Oso
Prosaurus (1):

Klazam

Oso (1): Erratus Apathos
Erratus Apathos (0):
Twistedspoon (0):

Javert

(0):

Rhinox

(0):

Maxous

(0):

Juls

(0):
farside22 (0):
No Lynch (0):
Not Voting (4):

Javert

,

Rhinox

,

Necessary Evil

, Farside22

Me=Weird

(4):

Maxous

, Oso,

Necessary Evil

, Farside22

Necessary Evil

(2): Twistedspoon,

Juls

Oso (2): Erratus Apathos,

Me=Weird

Twistedspoon (1):

Javert

Quilford

(0):
Prosaurus (0):
Erratus Apathos (0):

Javert

(0):

Rhinox

(0):

Maxous

(0):

Juls

(0):
farside22 (0):
No Lynch (0):
Not Voting (3):

Rhinox

,

Quilford

, Prosaurus

Me=Weird

(7):

Maxous

, Oso,

Necessary Evil

, Farside22,

Quilford

,

Juls

, Erratus Apathos

Necessary Evil

(1): Twistedspoon
Oso (1): ,

Me=Weird

Twistedspoon (1):

Javert

Erratus Apathos (1): Prosaurus

Quilford

(0):
Prosaurus (0):

Javert

(0):

Rhinox

(0):

Maxous

(0):

Juls

(0):
farside22 (0):

No Lynch (0):

Not Voting (1):

Rhinox

Necessary Evil

(3): Twistedspoon,

Quilford

,

Rhinox

Twistedspoon (3):

Necessary Evil

, Farside22, Erratus Apathos
Duplicity (0):
Erratus Apathos (0):

Quilford

(0):
Prosaurus (0):

Javert

(0):

Rhinox

(0):

Maxous

(0):
farside22 (0):
No Lynch (0):
Not Voting (4):

Maxous

,

Javert

, Prosaurus, Duplicity

Twistedspoon (4):

Necessary Evil

, Farside22, Erratus Apathos,

Quilford

Necessary Evil

(2): Twistedspoon,

Rhinox

Duplicity (0):
Erratus Apathos (0):

Quilford

(0):
Prosaurus (0):

Javert

(0):

Rhinox

(0):

Maxous

(0):
farside22 (0):
No Lynch (0):
Not Voting (4):

Maxous

,

Javert

, Prosaurus, Duplicity

Necessary Evil

(4): Twistedspoon,

Rhinox

, Erratus Apathos,

Quilford

Twistedspoon (2):

Necessary Evil

, Farside22
Duplicity (0):
Erratus Apathos (0):

Quilford

(0):
Prosaurus (0):

Javert

(0):

Rhinox

(0):

Maxous

(0):
farside22 (0):
No Lynch (0):
Not Voting (5):

Maxous

,

Javert

, Prosaurus, Duplicity,

Necessary Evil

(5): Twistedspoon,

Rhinox

, Erratus Apathos,

Quilford

,

Maxous

Twistedspoon (2):

Necessary Evil

, Farside22
Duplicity (0):
Erratus Apathos (0):

Quilford

(0):
Prosaurus (0):

Javert

(0):

Rhinox

(0):

Maxous

(0):
farside22 (0):
No Lynch (0):
Not Voting (3):

Javert

, Prosaurus, Duplicity,

Necessary Evil

(6): Twistedspoon,

Rhinox

, Erratus Apathos,

Quilford

,

Maxous

,

Necessary Evil

Twistedspoon (1): Farside22
Duplicity (0):
Erratus Apathos (0):

Quilford

(0):
Prosaurus (0):

Javert

(0):

Rhinox

(0):

Maxous

(0):
farside22 (0):
No Lynch (0):
Not Voting (3):

Javert

, Prosaurus, Duplicity,

Maxous

(1): Locke Lamora
farside22 (1):

Quilford

Twistedspoon (0):
Duplicity (0):
Locke Lamora (0):

Quilford

(0):
Prosaurus (0):

Rhinox

(0):
No Lynch (0):
Not Voting (6): Prosaurus, Duplicity, farside22,

Maxous

,

Rhinox

, Twistedspoon

farside22 (2)

Quilford

,

Maxous

Maxous

(1): Locke Lamora
Twistedspoon (0):
Duplicity (0):
Locke Lamora (0):

Quilford

(0):
Prosaurus (0):

Rhinox

(0):
No Lynch (0):
Not Voting (5): Prosaurus, Duplicity, farside22,

Rhinox

, Twistedspoon

farside22 (3)

Quilford

,

Maxous

, Twistedspoon

Maxous

(1): Locke Lamora
Twistedspoon (0):
Duplicity (0):
Locke Lamora (0):

Quilford

(0):
Prosaurus (0):

Rhinox

(0):
No Lynch (0):
Not Voting (4): Prosaurus, Duplicity, farside22,

Rhinox

farside22 (3)

Quilford

,

Maxous

, Twistedspoon

Maxous

(2): Locke Lamora, Duplicity
Twistedspoon (1): farside22
Duplicity (0):
Locke Lamora (0):

Quilford

(0):
Prosaurus (0):

Rhinox

(0):
No Lynch (0):
Not Voting (2): Prosaurus,

Rhinox

Maxous

(4): Locke Lamora, Duplicity, farside22,

Rhinox

farside22 (3)

Maxous

, Twistedspoon, Prosaurus
Locke Lamora (1):

Quilford

Twistedspoon (0):
Duplicity (0):

Quilford

(0):
Prosaurus (0):

Rhinox

(0):
No Lynch (0):
Not Voting (0):

Maxous

(5): Locke Lamora, Duplicity, farside22,

Rhinox

,

Quilford

farside22 (3)

Maxous

, Twistedspoon, Prosaurus
Locke Lamora (0):
Twistedspoon (0):
Duplicity (0):

Quilford

(0):
Prosaurus (0):

Rhinox

(0):
No Lynch (0):
Not Voting (0):

Twistedspoon (1): Locke Lamora
farside22 (0)
Locke Lamora (0):
Duplicity (0):

Quilford

(0):
Prosaurus (0):
No Lynch (0):
Not Voting (5): Prosaurus,

Quilford

, Duplicity, Twistedspoon, Farside22

Twistedspoon (1): Farside22
Locke Lamora (1): Twistedspoon
farside22 (0)
Duplicity (0):

Quilford

(0):
Prosaurus (0):
No Lynch (0):
Not Voting (4): Prosaurus,

Quilford

, Duplicity, Locke Lamora

NE wouldn't self hammer without his buddies on his wagon. Suspects: TS, EA/LL
There's no way there was only one scum on M=W's lynch wagon. Suspects: Oso/Dup, farside, EA/LL
I doubt Maxous' wagon was entirely town-driven. Suspects: EA/LL, Oso/Dup, farside
Ender's wagon (3rd VC) would've had more than one scum on it. Suspects: Oso/Dup, farside
I suspect the counterwagon to NE (9th VC) was scum-driven. Suspects: Oso/Dup, farside
I think Rhinox's death was due to his accuracy in reads.

I believe TS is a real cop because his suspicion of NE throughout D1 seemed genuine.

VOTE: Locke Lamora

In terms of partners, I would be mainly looking at farside and prosaurus. Maybe TS (doubt it)

[Quilford]

Why was Rhinox killed?

[Quilford]

Vote Count #2:

Necessary Evil

(3):

Twistedspoon

,

Quilford

,

Rhinox

Twistedspoon

(3):

Necessary Evil

,

Farside22

, Erratus Apathos
Not Voting (4): Maxous,

Javert

, Prosaurus, Duplicity

Vote Count #3:

Twistedspoon

(4):

Necessary Evil

,

Farside22

, Erratus Apathos,

Quilford

Necessary Evil

(2):

Twistedspoon

,

Rhinox

Not Voting (4): Maxous,

Javert

, Prosaurus, Duplicity

Vote Count #4:

Necessary Evil

(4):

Twistedspoon

,

Rhinox

, Erratus Apathos,

Quilford

Twistedspoon

(2):

Necessary Evil

,

Farside22

Not Voting (5): Maxous,

Javert

, Prosaurus, Duplicity

Vote Count #5:

Necessary Evil

(5):

Twistedspoon

,

Rhinox

, Erratus Apathos,

Quilford

, Maxous

Twistedspoon

(2):

Necessary Evil

,

Farside22

Not Voting (3):

Javert

, Prosaurus, Duplicity

Final Vote Count:

Necessary Evil

(6):

Twistedspoon

,

Rhinox

, Erratus Apathos,

Quilford

, Maxous,

Necessary Evil

Twistedspoon

(1):

Farside22

Not Voting (3):

Javert

, Prosaurus, Duplicity


@ above VCA: Bolded are facts, not bolded are my assumptions. I'm posting this so I can refer back to it. When analzying the players I haven't colored red or green up there.

Spoiler: EA analysis

-starts out the day voting Oso.
-Votes TS first, based on previous suspicions and a comment on D2.
-Complete 180 after maxous points out the speed of TS soft claim.

What I find interesting is the polarity in EA's 180. Like, he had a whole list of reasons why TS was scum in iso 50, and then they all went away simply because maxous pointed out the timing of TS soft claim and all of a sudden EA was finding scummy comments from NE that he wasn't pointing out before. To me, that looks like it could be when the flip was switched and he decided to bus. On the other hand, the VCA above shows that when EA switched, the wagons were tied, and he made NE the leading wagon. That was also before I came back from Easter and started really pushing for NE to be lynched.

When I look back at EA day 1, I see he did a little pushing at NE and voted for a few posts before moving on. The style was consistent with his play up to that point: vote ender, question a few posts, move on vote klazam, left it there a few posts (no follow up with klazam vote, hmmm), move on to prosaurus, question a few posts, move on to NE, question a few posts, move on to TS. This is where the playstyle changed, and EA aggressively pursued TS's lynch, and then back to aggressively pursuing klazam this time, then aggressively pursuing Oso.

Couple interesting snippits from D1:

indeed, NE has gone under the radar for too long

I'm fine with this wagon. My vote on Javert is utterly redundant anyways now that his wagon is gone and he's claimed :/

VOTE: NE

Oh yeah, Twistedspoon is totally scum. Look at his posts between his Javert vote and his unvote. He doesn't attack Javert, he doesn't question Javert, he doesn't push the Javert wagon, he's doesn't do a single damn thing to Javert. He accomplished three things with his Javert vote, and those things were VOTE PARK, VOTE PARK, AND VOTE PARK. He was vote parking on Maxous earlier too, and he's already looking like he's vote parking on NE. I suggest we park a noose around Twistedscum's neck.

Chainsaw?

I concur, vig already Javert.

FWIW I support vigging Klazam or Twistedspoon and am

against vigging

Ender, Prosaurus, MeWeird,

NEvil

, or farside (or me obv obv)

Thats a pretty good place to stick in a scum partner.

Oh, come on, EA! Do you really want to nit pick over something like this? I posted on Friday, wasn't even on the site on Saturday, and posted again on Sunday, so to me at the time, it was one day. What difference does it make that it was technically two days? That's still suspiciously premature to vote for lurking. We clearly didn't have a lurking problem at the time. He even said that he just picked me because I was the lowest on the activity overview. That's not scumhunting. He used a technicallity that doesn't even remotely prove the case he was making in order to excuse his vote.

I believe Juls mason claim. I've had a town read on her for a while and that would explain my odd feelings about Klazam. I'm really rolling my eyes at her vote on me, though. I've been V/LA for almost a week, which she is failing to take into account. If you check the other game I'm in, I posted that I was V/LA there, too, so I'm not making it up to lurk in this game. I think she's overestimating how often I should be posting because this is has been a very active game. I've certainly posted my fair share of content, IMO.

These are town reactions to being attacked.

Are you a moron, or have you never heard of having a gut town read on somebody who's done scummy things?

Are you just twisting everything so it

could

be scummy, or are you an idiot? How is that desperation? I wanted why he thought I was scum into one post because I wanted to make sure there weren't things I hadn't responded to. Why do you want to lynch TS? Do you disbelieve his claim? Why? And do you know how exceedingly dumb and moronic it is to use connections before there's been a scum flip? Do you ever consider that you're

wrong?

So are these.

This is a good one too. Good way to defend a partner, by simultaneaously also defending a townie for the same reason.

And the other two people?

wut

Seeing the deadline, I realize the only plausible lynch today is MW. I still think he's town, but it's better than no lynch at all, so

au revoir

.
UNVOTE: Oso
VOTE: Me=Weird

in before the townflip

I think at this point, a NE lynch was still on the table. An Oso lynch wasn't completely ruled out, his top choice. Were EA here today, my top question would be why he didn't think an NE or Oso lynch was possible. Or why he hammered without letting M=W claim? - EA clearly didn't want M=W lynched, so a claim may have shifted the wagon quickly onto his top scum choice (Oso) if he's town, but it also could have shifted onto scum (NE). The point here is that there was still essentially a full day left before deadline, he didn't need to hammer when he did especially without giving M=W the 22 hours to claim. I think he could have been banking on being able to get away with hammering M=W before claim to prevent the wagon from quickshifting to his scum partner if people believed M=W's claim.

@EA, I don't think Oso is gonna swing today. I think we should re-evaluate him tomorrow. Who is your second choice?

Twistedspoon is. I'd also live with a lynch of Rhinox, farside, or Maxous even though those are null reads atm. I definitely don't want to lynch MeWeird, NEvil, Prosaurus, Javert, Quilford or you.

Interesting post to keep in mind for later if EA/Locke is determined to be scum. I'd put 1 scum partner in the "live with a lynch" category, and 1 in the "don't want to lynch" category.

I would hope to be able to clearly conclude that EA/Duplicity is not an acceptable pairing for remaing 2 scum partners, given EA's assault on Oso. I'd consider EA/Prosaurus, EA/Maxous, EA/Farside as likely pairings should EA be scum, roughly in that order of likliness. But EA/Maxous might not seem that likely given Locke coming out today - not the time to bus. And if prosaurus really did do a town slip, then that EA/Prosaurus is out. And I almost don't even consider EA/Farside likely at all due to leaning town on farside for WIFOM reasons. So POE might actually be ruling EA/Locke out completely. That would simplifiy the rest of the game a lot, with Maxous/Duplicity jumping to the top of the most likely scum pairing list. They'll be the next 2 on my list to analyze.

I had initially meant to include analysis of Maxous, Prosaurus, and Duplicity/OS in this post, but its taking a bit too long both in time and words. I also need to look at Javert's suspicions, and do a farside iso to make sure I'm not wifoming myself out of a scum lynch. All this will be done before I place a vote today, but this should start off explaining my thinking for my earlier posts so far this day. You guys can at least get a head start on reading the EA part rather than me dumping the entire wall on you at once

[Quilford]

Can you read?

[Quilford]

Yes, I can read, attempting to insult me really isn't doing wonderings for your image as a player. You posted observations that Rhinox suggested yesterday without adding any extra comment to them. I'm asking you quite clearly is the entire reason that you suspect LL due to the fact that Rhinox suspected him and died?

Why would you feel the need to state the first sentence?

If you reread my posts on this page you can see the answer to the second question?

Why are you defending LL so hard?

[Quilford]

1. What does my lack of effort have to do with me insulting you?

2. The VCA had reasons for EA/LL scum.

3. My town read on TS comes from the one shot 'slip' and my experience with his meta. I'll get examples up soon. Perhaps gut mixed in. I want reads on players from both sides of the hydra now.

[Quilford]

So what do you think of a possible LL/TS team?

And yes I am the shittiest confirmed clear in the world. Often when I'm confirmed clear my scumhunting is as bad as if I were scum.

[Quilford]

UNVOTE:

Reconsidering Twistedspoon.

[Quilford]

Okay.

Duplicity and LL have been going on all day about how scummy TS is. I see their arguments and they're correct; I acknowledge that. The one thing that was making me hold onto my town read of Twisted was his 'one-shot' slip. But this slip came after two people had been outed as one-shot roles, so it's not really the towntell I thought it once was. In addition, I'm now doubting Twisted's investigation itself.

if Javert does kill soon then should Ender and I say who we're going to investigate before the day ends?

I'm partial to investigating Klazam or EA tonight

And people have been saying his investigation makes sense because he was constantly expressing suspicion of NE throughout D1, but before this post he'd barely mentioned NE:

indeed, NE has gone under the radar for too long

I'm fine with this wagon. My vote on Javert is utterly redundant anyways now that his wagon is gone and he's claimed :/

VOTE: NE

and he never really explains his scumread on NE.


My gut tells me that TS is town but the evidence points to him being scum. I'm willing to vote soon.

[Quilford]

yeah um a TS hammer is lookin' good

[Quilford]

Twisted

if you're being lynched it's generally your fault

[Quilford]

VOTE: farside

Good.

[Quilford]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Twistedspoon

THIS IS HILARIOUS

[Quilford]

Congratulations, Twistedspoon.

You now have a clear going into lylo regardless of what happens.

And ftr 1) It's almost certainly LL and 2) I do believe this means I was right on my LL read some time back

[Quilford]

oh shit son Pros' is still alive

crudddd


it's still LL though. Probably. I think.

[Quilford]

what do you mean by that

you think farside is scum?

I was congratulating TS on fucking it up for scum

[Quilford]

protip for mylo tomorrow guys

1) nl and I cut you
2) don't even bother to suggest Dupl-scum; if he is I will hate myself forever

[Quilford]

This is the part where Twistedspoon comes in and gloats >_>

[Quilford]

http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/fb2eV4Seds5dj

Don't read it.