Prosaurus wrote:Err... Why am I so scummy for think scum have daytalk?
cause it could have been a slip since scum don't usually have dayttalk and there was no reason to think they did :/
eh, or maybe you're just misinformed.
Prosaurus wrote:Err... Why am I so scummy for think scum have daytalk?
Quilford wrote:what Maxous said (about Javert) was also my reasoning
Maxous wrote:
Neccesary Evil - Seems to be making a genuine effort to question and find mafia, I don't agree with the case on him. Lean town at the moment I guess..
Maxous wrote:Let Neccessary Evil respond at least.
Those votes are too quick.
Apart from that, not much to discuss.The town decides to lynch NE or not at this stage. Discussing other suspects would be pointless until that is decided.
Maxous wrote:Neccessary Evil calling Twistedspoon a liar makes things easier.
Twistedspoon wrote:Necessary Evil wrote:And, yeah, I agree with Maxous that the speed of my wagon is highly suspect.
how is it suspect when I have a guilty result
I'll explain. There are two scenarios.
NE is town, NE is mafia.
Farside and Rhinox voted without any consideration for the possibility that NE would either be framed or was a miller. They did'nt care.
If NE is town it could be that they blindly followed a cop result to bandwagon for a easy lynch on town.
If NE is mafia it could be that they know he is mafia and decided to vote straight away to cover themselves and be on the lynch.
Either way it is suspect.
I would include Quilford as well but he is clear due to the mason claim.
Twistedspoon wrote:
we've already lost one one-shot cop and we can't afford to lose another
But you already used your ability :p
Necessary Evil wrote: And, yeah, I agree with Maxous that the speed of my wagon is highly suspect.
Anybody in particular?
Also : Are you confident Twistedspoon is lying about this? What do you think about the possibilty of a mafia framer?
@Farside and Rhinox: Why did the two of you instantly beleive the result from Twistedspoon? As far as I remember he was on both of your suspect lists.
farside22 wrote:
point.
At Maxous and anyone else in the game. Have you ever seen a person claim cop and question it?
Maxous wrote:Necessary Evil wrote:There's no reason for him to think that there is a framer, or for anybody else to think that. Cop sanity is guaranteed in normals. TS was expressing doubt in his guilty result to give him an out. When I flip town, he'll insist that there is a framer or something that altered his result. He knows he'll be lynched if he doesn't give himself some kind of out.
He did'nt express doubt about the result.
Necessary Evil wrote:
Do you have any reason to think there is a framer? Does anybody? How do you suggest we explore this possibility?
Well I don't have a reason to but there was no point in rushing into a lynch without exploring the possibility. We're not short on time.
The only way to explore the possibiltiy is seeing if there is enough reasonable doubt about yourself being mafia
Rhinox wrote:Mod, any chance you could update the first post with current players and who they replaced? I'm having trouble keeping track. It was quilford who replaced klazam, yes?
Maxous wrote:- First was instantly votes NE after TS' guilty. She later stated this was because she beleived TS' claim due to him suspecting NE the whole day.
- Then we get into the 'I think' issue, where she says TS made a slip and covered himself by saying there might be a framer. After instantly beleiving TS about the guilty.
- I pointed out that I was sceptical about this change of mind about beleiving TS and she responded by saying it was because she suspected TS yesterday and called myself and TS a scum team together. Seems like deflecting. Also if she suspected TS yesterday to the point where she did'nt really beleive his claim, then I am again confused about instantly voting NE.
- This last post is the most interesting. She claims she is having a hard time beleiving there is two one-shot cops. So why did she beleive it in the first place when she voted NE?
Max wrote:- She also claims that "I would think TS scum would be smart enough to get an innocent on another player then bussing and leaving no outs."
Then why argue that TS was scum in the first place? Or am I misunderstanding something about this?
max wrote:@Farside: Putting what together?
Locke Lamora wrote:Vote: Maxous
Discuss. I'm still rereading some things but I'll be back later with more.
Dup wrote:Assuming Twisted is town for a second, it means that one of my town-reads is incorrect, of those the one I'm least certain on given NEs flip is EA.
Assuming Twisted is scum for a second, his other partner is likely on the wagon as well as the guilty would have been planned to give them both town-cred. This is where it gets tricky, if this is the case I can see Maxous as his partner. In other words, if I can get a solid read on EA that I'm comfortable with I can get then work out TS's allignment.
farside22 wrote:Catch up post:
@Pro: How do you know what a day talk is if you never played scum before?
I see you said something about Mason. Have you been in a game you were mason with a day talk?
Duplicity wrote:4.Prosarus – Town:This read we’re both confident about. We’ve gone into our reasoning for why we believe this earlier which I’ll state here again for solidities sake:
4a. His thoughts and opinions throughout the game almost mirror mine as I read through it with a few exceptions.
4b. His attempt to redirect the vig shot away from Ender reads as a town-tell especially due to the fact that everyone else was pushing towards him.
4c. The confidence in his vote on Oso and shown frustration over the lack of agreement in it reads as a town-tell even though it's incorrect.
4d. The fact that he believes that mafia have some form of day-talk reads as a town-tell. I could be misreading this, but I’ve never seen day talk in a mini in which it isn’t blatantly stated in the OP.
Prosaurus wrote:farside22 wrote:Catch up post:
@Pro: How do you know what a day talk is if you never played scum before?
I see you said something about Mason. Have you been in a game you were mason with a day talk?
Well I knew scum have a quick topic, I didn't think there were rules against them using it during the day.
I think Mason must have daytalk, how else could Quilford post Juls' final reads on Day 1?
Locke Lamora wrote:The next post he segues into casting doubt on both Farside and Rhinox regardless of NE's alignment:
Locke Lamora wrote:Duplicity: what is it that makes you think NE/TS weren't bussing D1?
Prosaurus: have you read a scum QT from any of your previous games?
If people are still considering massclaim I say we definitely shouldn't do it. I don't see how it could help town more than scum at this stage.
Maxous wrote:@Twistedspoon and Prosaurus: Number one suspect for mafia please. ^_^
Max wrote:@Farside: How do you feel about Twistedspoon alignment after EA's flip?
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