Mini 1194: Reverse Mafia [Game Over]

kiwieagle · Post Post #250 (ISO) » Sat Jul 02, 2011 3:31 pm

Slaxx wrote:Stop hiding the fact you suck

a bit harsh?

As long as he explains to me why he said wredfar is scum, im fine.

Slaxx · Post Post #251 (ISO) » Sat Jul 02, 2011 3:33 pm

Lol crypto and I have known each other for a while it was just playful banter

He does suck though

ChannelDelibird · Post Post #252 (ISO) » Sat Jul 02, 2011 9:45 pm

Vote Count

Packbat - 3 (AntB, bobsnox, Packbat)

Bub Bidderskins - 2 (Pomegranate, Bub Bidderskins)
crypto - 1 (Parama)
kiwieagle - 1 (StrangerCoug)

Not voting - 6 (crypto, kiwieagle, malpascp, Awesoma, ToastyToast, Slaxx)

7 votes to revive.

Deadline is 7:49 PM GMT on Sunday 10th July.

malpascp · Post Post #253 (ISO) » Sun Jul 03, 2011 4:14 am

Sorry for my absence.

Me prefering Packbat over Bub is just by gut. I am aware that is not a good argument, but I would revive any of these, but I have this warm, cosy feeling that Pack is town.

@TT: what do you mean with "Parama came of as genuine"? As far as I know, we are only sure about someone's alignment when that person dies.

Anyway, as I said, he is already revived, so I should leave this discussion to D1.

@AntB: saying that "I will do nothing until [something happens] doesn't delay the game. You are putting yourself asside.

We should be aware that, if we revive two scumbuddies, it'a game over. My read on this game so far is that, if Parama was scum, the most likely person to be his partner would be SC. That's why I won't revive him today, despite the existence of even scummier people.
Reviving SC is, in my opinion, the riskiest thing we could possibilly do today.

Also SC's vote on kiwi and his justification on #245. He appears to be informed about the information that was given to mafia, and that worries me. Also kiwi didn't say a word about SC's vote.

I think I answered it all.

Vote: Packbat

Packbat · Post Post #254 (ISO) » Sun Jul 03, 2011 4:31 am

malpascp wrote:Also SC's vote on kiwi and his justification on #245. He appears to be informed about the information that was given to mafia, and that worries me. Also kiwi didn't say a word about SC's vote.

Wow, looking at StrangerCoug's ISO, that vote looks even worse than it did before - he was insisting that kiwieagle looked scummy right up until someone said, "scum claiming VT is risky", and then did

a complete 180

. Simple WIFOM considerations ought to prevent you from reversing your read that completely based on a single datum, and he never offers any other justification for his change of mind.

Slaxx · Post Post #255 (ISO) » Sun Jul 03, 2011 7:21 am

bobsnox · Post Post #256 (ISO) » Sun Jul 03, 2011 8:01 am

Packbat wrote:
malpascp wrote:Also SC's vote on kiwi and his justification on #245. He appears to be informed about the information that was given to mafia, and that worries me. Also kiwi didn't say a word about SC's vote.

Wow, looking at StrangerCoug's ISO, that vote looks even worse than it did before - he was insisting that kiwieagle looked scummy right up until someone said, "scum claiming VT is risky", and then did
a complete 180
. Simple WIFOM considerations ought to prevent you from reversing your read that completely based on a single datum, and he never offers any other justification for his change of mind.

Good catch.

Slaxx · Post Post #257 (ISO) » Sun Jul 03, 2011 8:04 am

Im confirmed town
I changed my mind based on that
Im not scum

Next

Bub Bidderskins · Post Post #258 (ISO) » Sun Jul 03, 2011 10:11 am

Packbat wrote:I don't think ToastyToast's random-vote is particularly indicative of alignment - I had an early townread on him for other reasons, but he's kinda null for me at the moment.

It's the way he followed it up that makes me think he isn't scum. The kind of behaviour he displayed is not consistent with a scum-alignment.

As for Kiwi, I'm not so sure. While I do see the reason behind SC thinking he's town, I would like to see him back it up with some pro-town play before I'm convinced of his alignment either way. Null for now.

Right now my revive list is:

Myself, Toasty, Packbat

In that order. Packbat is more pro-town, but I'm more sure of toasty's alignment. Packbat can still scumhunt even if he can't vote.

kiwieagle · Post Post #259 (ISO) » Sun Jul 03, 2011 10:23 am

malpascp wrote:Sorry for my absence.

Me prefering Packbat over Bub is just by gut. I am aware that is not a good argument, but I would revive any of these, but I have this warm, cosy feeling that Pack is town.

@TT: what do you mean with "Parama came of as genuine"? As far as I know, we are only sure about someone's alignment when that person dies.

Anyway, as I said, he is already revived, so I should leave this discussion to D1.

@AntB: saying that "I will do nothing until [something happens] doesn't delay the game. You are putting yourself asside.

We should be aware that, if we revive two scumbuddies, it'a game over. My read on this game so far is that, if Parama was scum, the most likely person to be his partner would be SC. That's why I won't revive him today, despite the existence of even scummier people.
Reviving SC is, in my opinion, the riskiest thing we could possibilly do today.

Also SC's vote on kiwi and his justification on #245. He appears to be informed about the information that was given to mafia, and that worries me.
Also kiwi didn't say a word about SC's vote.

I think I answered it all.

Vote: Packbat

Packbat didnt say a word about yours?

Whats the difference <-- ??

ToastyToast · Post Post #260 (ISO) » Sun Jul 03, 2011 10:29 am

@malpascp: nothing in Parama's case came off as forced. And it was a good argument. Both lean to the town side of things.

StrangerCoug · Post Post #261 (ISO) » Sun Jul 03, 2011 1:39 pm

malpascp wrote:Also SC's vote on kiwi and his justification on #245. He appears to be informed about the information that was given to mafia, and that worries me

I fail to see how this is so; unless this is a bastard mod game, the scum PM is not going to merely say, "You are Mafia." Scum almost certainly has information town doesn't have—at the very least, who else is aligned with them. This is basic.

Packbat wrote:Wow, looking at StrangerCoug's ISO, that vote looks even worse than it did before - he was insisting that kiwieagle looked scummy right up until someone said, "scum claiming VT is risky", and then did
a complete 180
. Simple WIFOM considerations ought to prevent you from reversing your read that completely based on a single datum, and he never offers any other justification for his change of mind.

So? I'm happy with the two revivals we've had so far. Factoring a townie out of the equation will not increase the chances of Mafia being revived by that much yet. Currently, the chances of reviving Mafia are somewhere between 10% and 30% depending on Slaxx and Parama's alignments, factoring a townie out of the equation will only bump it up to between 11% and 33%.

crypto · Post Post #262 (ISO) » Mon Jul 04, 2011 6:37 am

I've had the misfortune of playing with malpascp before so I cannot believe I am doing this, but

vote: malpascp

.

crypto · Post Post #263 (ISO) » Mon Jul 04, 2011 6:39 am

Actually wait this doesn't make any sense.

Unvote.

crypto · Post Post #264 (ISO) » Mon Jul 04, 2011 6:40 am

Oh man, bobsnox is scum, isn't he?

crypto · Post Post #265 (ISO) » Mon Jul 04, 2011 6:44 am

Guys, help me out here.

bobsnox · Post Post #266 (ISO) » Mon Jul 04, 2011 6:56 am

no I'm not scum. consider yourself helped.

I'm good with my vote still.

Packbat · Post Post #267 (ISO) » Mon Jul 04, 2011 6:57 am

crypto wrote:Oh man, bobsnox is scum, isn't he?

Can you elaborate on that?

crypto · Post Post #268 (ISO) » Mon Jul 04, 2011 7:41 am

No, I'm too fat to bother.

Parama · Post Post #269 (ISO) » Mon Jul 04, 2011 7:49 am

prodvoid

Packbat · Post Post #270 (ISO) » Mon Jul 04, 2011 8:38 am

Parama wrote:prodvoid

FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!

We have less than a week, we

need

to finish the setup so we can go.

Packbat · Post Post #271 (ISO) » Mon Jul 04, 2011 8:40 am

What am I thinking? Finish

selecting

.

Right now, if either myself or Bub Bidderskins is at L-1 without me, I will hammer, and I will not hammer crypto, StrangerCoug, or kiwieagle. Outside that I'm open to negotiations.

Bub Bidderskins · Post Post #272 (ISO) » Mon Jul 04, 2011 8:59 am

Packbat wrote:What am I thinking? Finish
selecting
.

Right now, if either myself or Bub Bidderskins is at L-1 without me, I will hammer, and I will not hammer crypto, StrangerCoug, or kiwieagle. Outside that I'm open to negotiations.

^Ditto

@Everybody: Who do you like better: me or packbat?

StrangerCoug · Post Post #273 (ISO) » Mon Jul 04, 2011 9:04 am

Why am I not surprised by the "not there" feeling I get from reading crypto's posts?

Bub Bidderskins wrote:@Everybody: Who do you like better: me or packbat?

You for right now.

ToastyToast · Post Post #274 (ISO) » Mon Jul 04, 2011 9:35 am

Bub Bidderskins wrote:
Packbat wrote:What am I thinking? Finish
selecting
.

Right now, if either myself or Bub Bidderskins is at L-1 without me, I will hammer, and I will not hammer crypto, StrangerCoug, or kiwieagle. Outside that I'm open to negotiations.

^Ditto
@Everybody: Who do you like better: me or packbat?

I think there is like a split down the middle b/w the two of you, which is why I'd consider putting myself out as a third candidate (unless Slaxx decides to use his resurrect today)

still leaning packbat over bub