OPEN 310 - Medical Mafia - TOWN WIN

[HellloooNewman]

Agreed

[AntB]

Protections resolve first, kills resolve second.

If the normal doctor and the quack doctor target the same person, the kill is prevented.
I assume this is what you are referring to.

[Amrun]

Okay!

We all target tim tonight.

Tim, if you are town, target HelloooNewman.

Quilford, hammer.

[HellloooNewman]

Sounds good to me.

[Quilford]

Those of you wanting a non-gut case on Mor

me

[tim_hill1990]

Agreed, I'm targetting HN, everyone else on me.

[Quilford]

Okay, this is a good idea.

yayyyy

However, I'm not willing to hammer unless I get a good case on Mor to read.

[Amrun]

I made a case on him already.

[Quilford]

You can get tim to. I'm not feeling this.

[Moratorium]

Before the day ends, I'd like to see everyone who is on this wagon give their own personal reasoning for their vote, preferably including an ISO read of me throughout the game.

That will surely be profitable for whomever is still alive tomorrow.

[Hoppster]

b) All collectively agree DURING THE DAY on a scummy player that we ALL TARGET at night.

Amrun, my plan is better. If we all target the same person several helpful things will happen.

1) That person will not be able to be killed.
2) That person (if they are Mafia) will not be able to kill that night: the Paranoid Doctor will be targeting them.
3) If the targeted person is Mafia the weak doc will die.

We can then deduce the Mafioso by exactly who was killed.

Your plan just relies on random chance and doesn't provide us with any useful information.

'Zis is basically my plan from earlier.

It has flaws which I realised earlier and I greatly prefer Amrun's plan.

Firstly, (if town) Moratorium may be the Paranoid Doctor.
Moratorium may also be the Weak Doctor.

The plan will result in 0-2 deaths.

0 deaths, we cannot solidly confirm anything. Scum could have chosen to No Kill, scum could have been RB'd (which would mean the Weak Doc is dead).

1 death, we cannot solidly confirm anything. Scum could have made the kill, or the weak doc could have been targetting scum.

2 deaths, okay, scum made the NK and the (still-alive) Weak Doc targeted scum with us. This is the only beneficial scenario though and it is an extremely unlikely one, because:

Given that we all have to agree on a NK target beforehand, scum know whether they are being targetted or not. Should they be targeted, they choose to No Kill to avoid themselves being obvious-scum with 2 deaths the next day.


This is too easy for scum to manipulate, and the end result will be either Newman dead or some WIFOM for us. Nothing useful.

Amrun's plan has the outside chance of Newman being Paranoid and blocking scum (or protecting town from NK) - both getting us one extra lynch, or being a killing Doc and killing (hopefully scum).

Before the day ends, I'd like to see everyone who is on this wagon give their own personal reasoning for their vote, preferably including an ISO read of me throughout the game.

That will surely be profitable for whomever is still alive tomorrow.

Overall, it's gut. There's a few minor points I've got against you here and there (WHICH I WILL GET UP TOMORROW I SWEAR) but largely it is gut.

UNVOTE:

Don't want to go into night doing Quilford's/my original plan.

[Amrun]

I still prefer my plan but I'm basically going with what Newman wants.

[Quilford]

Sure.

• Amrun
  
• HellloooNewman
  
• tim_hill1990
  
• DeityKabuto
  
• IceGuy
  
• jilynne1991
  
• Mortatorium
  
• Hoppster
  
• Quilford

tim_hill scum is even more likely when you look at this, as the scum team would've known IceGuy was a safe kill.

[Amrun]

Already noted long ago.

Newman, which night plan do you want?

[Hoppster]

'Kay, so, umm, looked through Moratorium's ISO, and, yeah.

Nothing incredibly scummy I can see (his pushing of the false dilemma aside, which even then is only moderately scummy).

Sooooo...

Yeah.

Ummmmmm.

Sorrrrry 'bout that.


However, I'm going to re-iterate my point before though in that Moratorium is the only player alive who hasn't at any point impressed me with his towniness. The whole game, he's been pretty null/leaning-town for me but leaning scum on gut. Really can't put my finger on it, but I suppose that's the problem with gut.

Granted, there are players alive who perhaps would have more substance in a case against them, but equally they have more towny posts to them than Moratorium.

Even ignoring my bad gut feeling and putting Moratorium at a null-read, it just seems more likely that scum would be a null-read rather than a strong (albeit inconsistent) read.


Amrun I was flip-flopping to an extent beforehand but I've settled on Amrun-town now.

Quilford and tim_hill are, well, Quilford and tim_hill. Inconsistent reads on both throughout the day. tim_hill probably started townier and then has gradually been scummier while it's

kinda

been the reverse for Quilford.

However, both have had posts where I can point to them and say "this gives me a town/scum-vibe" (both sides of the spectrum).

All of Moratorium's posts are, well, impressively null. There are basically no posts I can point to and say "YAH ME LIKE/NO LIKE THIS POST BECAUSE BLAH BLAH BLAH".

[HellloooNewman]

Someone hammer Mora. Tonight, we all target Tim, and Tim targets me.

Do it.

[AntB]

VOTE COUNT - 6 Alive - 4 to Lynch

tim_hill1990

<- Quilford

Moratorium

<- Amrun - HellloooNewman

Hoppster

<- Moratorium

Quilford

<- tim_hill1990

Not Voting

<- Hoppster

V/LA

-> Amrun (Indefinite)

DEADLINE

FRIDAY 8 JULY 2011 23:59:59 UTC

(expired on 2011-07-08 19:59:59) remaining.

I made a boo-boo. Corrected it.

[Quilford]

Already noted long ago.

Newman, which night plan do you want?

As in, it's incredibly more likely.

Vote tim, please. With Hoppster's 'oh derp I don't actually have a case' the choice should now be obvious.

[tim_hill1990]

tim_hill scum is even more likely when you look at this, as the scum team would've known IceGuy was a safe kill.

Yea all of the stuff you've brought up on me, is nothing more than reiteration of other people's cases on me, nothing new.
So the question is: why did you back me up on Amrun and blatantly ignore the case on me, then do an about turn, only after i'd voted for you, and decide oh wait the case on Tim is actually pretty decent?

My reasoning> You were backing me on Amrun because you know she's a dangerous player, I about turned and you didn't like that and changed tack.
This is like fencesitting, similar to what you did with DK as well.

Yea if Mora aint scum then you are, without a doubt.
Frankly if Hoppster or Amrun are scum then this game is already lost, the problem is that there isn't enough lynch free days to systematically lynch each of us off, unless we get a successful protection.

SO it comes down to who Amrun, Hopp and HN want lynched today, i'd rather Quilford over Mora, i'd also rather myself over Mora, just to prove Quilford is scum, but that's subjective.

Night plan with me protecting and everyone targetting me sounds good, i'm all for it, is this what we're going to do? HN and Amrun have signalled for it.

[Hoppster]

Someone hammer Mora. Tonight, we all target Tim, and Tim targets me.

Do it.

'K then.

VOTE: Moratorium

Didn't realise the plan involved Tim targetting you. Happier with it now than I was before.

(Not hammer, L-1. I unvoted earlier.)

Vote tim, please. With Hoppster's 'oh derp I don't actually have a case' the choice should now be obvious.

I HAVE GUT

Seriously, my gut wants this lynch more than it wants Yakult.

Stop being such a spoilsport.

[Amrun]

Yes. Hammer, tim.

[tim_hill1990]

VOTE: Moratorium
Hammer time, to confirm everyone is to target me tonight, and I will be targetting Newman for protection

[Quilford]

VOTE: Moratorium
Hammer time, to

confirm everyone is to target me tonight

, and I will be targetting Newman for protection

Hummmmm.

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Unfortunately, I'm being dragged out to some place in the Australian outback for "family bonding" for about a week and a bit. Ergo, I'm not going to be able to post on this site. So I'm requesting replacement.

Mod, I've already put in a request in the related threads; don't worry about that side of things. It's the least I could do.

I apologise for the inconvenience caused.

[Amrun]

Maybe the game is over, Quilford...

[Hoppster]

VOTE: Moratorium
Hammer time, to

confirm everyone is to target me tonight

, and I will be targetting Newman for protection

Hummmmm.

Idongedit.


Assuming we don't win right now:

Dear Quilford's replacement, please don't be an ass, read the thread and our awesome plans and stick to them kthx.