ASOIAF: Test of Faith Mafia (Game Over!)

Lost Butterfly · Post Post #1875 (ISO) » Sun Jul 03, 2011 12:19 pm

AlmasterGM wrote:
Lost Butterfly wrote:whatever, you realise no matter what you say people will ignore it and I'll probably be the lynch, but in a 1 vs 1 where I'm town I'm not going to *let* myself be the lynch.

If you think Benmage is an insane cop and you're a VT, why would you not be willing to sacrifice yourself to a) save the cop and b) confirm his sanity?

In any case, I actually don't even think Benmage is an insane cop. That was a silly road, and I got mindtricked onto it by Faraday. I think he is a sane cop, and that Lost Butterfly is scum. People keep treating Lost Butterfly as confirmedtown and Benmage as a nutcase. But if you think about it, Lost Butterfly has done absolutely nothing to confirm himself as town. He's just played a good town game, which scum are perfectly capable of (see Mafia MetaMafia). The vision of Lost Butterfly as town is reliant entirely Lost Butterfly being more charismatic than Benmage. But that doesn't matter. Benmage cop makes sense. His guilty makes sense. Occam's razor this giant mess: Lost Butterfly is scum.

Apart from the last bit with Benmage's guilty making sense. (due to interactions afterward) this is an extremely savvy post. That doesn't help me determine his alignment fully but it makes me think he's definitely not mafia, as in he's genuinely trying to work the situation out at least. I have a town read that says he's not cult leader too.

Empking · Post Post #1876 (ISO) » Sun Jul 03, 2011 12:20 pm

Lost Butterfly wrote:Sure, yeah one is probably mafia the other could easily be the cult leader.

That post didn't contain a vote for Benmage. Fix that soon.

FTFY

Lost Butterfly · Post Post #1877 (ISO) » Sun Jul 03, 2011 12:21 pm

I don't particularly think Benmage is scum, tbh, Empking.

Benmage · Post Post #1878 (ISO) » Sun Jul 03, 2011 12:22 pm

Yeah empking... you havent said shit other than Im not town... How am I not town?

Benmage · Post Post #1879 (ISO) » Sun Jul 03, 2011 12:23 pm

And faraday... how the hell do u have a town read on him?

Empking · Post Post #1880 (ISO) » Sun Jul 03, 2011 12:23 pm

Lost Butterfly wrote:I don't particularly think Benmage is scum, tbh, Empking.

Yeah, forget what I just said, town always tries to out a power role by claiming a name they know to be in the set up.

Benmage · Post Post #1881 (ISO) » Sun Jul 03, 2011 12:24 pm

Empking wrote:
Lost Butterfly wrote:I don't particularly think Benmage is scum, tbh, Empking.

Yeah, forget what I just said, town always tries to out a power role by claiming a name they know to be in the set up.

Soft-crumb harder...

When did we confirm there's 1 of each embodiment?

Lost Butterfly · Post Post #1882 (ISO) » Sun Jul 03, 2011 12:25 pm

Benmage wrote:And faraday... how the hell do u have a town read on him?

His Day 1 play looked really good.

Plus...um...yeah, there's a pretty *obvious reason* why he's almost confirmed town now.

Emp: I'm not saying it's

good play

or anything, but I think it's more likely to come from Town Benmage than scum Benmage.

Empking · Post Post #1883 (ISO) » Sun Jul 03, 2011 12:25 pm

Benmage wrote:
Empking wrote:
Lost Butterfly wrote:I don't particularly think Benmage is scum, tbh, Empking.

Yeah, forget what I just said, town always tries to out a power role by claiming a name they know to be in the set up.

Soft-crumb harder...

When did we confirm there's 1 of each embodiment?

We didn't but I think its safe to say that we were all presuming it.

Benmage · Post Post #1884 (ISO) » Sun Jul 03, 2011 12:26 pm

Why would I admit to fakeclaiming as scum?

Lost Butterfly · Post Post #1885 (ISO) » Sun Jul 03, 2011 12:26 pm

Benmage wrote:
Empking wrote:
Lost Butterfly wrote:I don't particularly think Benmage is scum, tbh, Empking.

Yeah, forget what I just said, town always tries to out a power role by claiming a name they know to be in the set up.

Soft-crumb harder...

When did we confirm there's 1 of each embodiment?

We didn't.

Lost Butterfly · Post Post #1886 (ISO) » Sun Jul 03, 2011 12:27 pm

Benmage wrote:Why would I admit to fakeclaiming as scum?

TBF, you did have the largest wagon on you ;>_>. A credit to my townieness.

Benmage · Post Post #1887 (ISO) » Sun Jul 03, 2011 12:27 pm

Empking wrote:
Benmage wrote:
Empking wrote:
Lost Butterfly wrote:I don't particularly think Benmage is scum, tbh, Empking.

Yeah, forget what I just said, town always tries to out a power role by claiming a name they know to be in the set up.

Soft-crumb harder...

When did we confirm there's 1 of each embodiment?

We didn't but I think its safe to say that we were all presuming it.

Well you didnt feel the need to claim ur the crone did ya?

Benmage · Post Post #1888 (ISO) » Sun Jul 03, 2011 12:27 pm

Lost Butterfly wrote:
Benmage wrote:Why would I admit to fakeclaiming as scum?

TBF, you did have the largest wagon on you ;>_>. A credit to my townieness.

So fucking lynch me.. it'll be goddamn hilarious. You still havent unvoted...mr awesometown.

Benmage · Post Post #1889 (ISO) » Sun Jul 03, 2011 12:28 pm

And BTW theres 7 nontown roles out there... probably wanting a cop dead.

And Empking whose clearly the Crone.

Lost Butterfly · Post Post #1890 (ISO) » Sun Jul 03, 2011 12:28 pm

Oh, have I not?

Unvote

Empking · Post Post #1891 (ISO) » Sun Jul 03, 2011 12:29 pm

Benmage wrote:Why would I admit to fakeclaiming as scum?

The same reason you'd admit to fakeclaiming as town. A last ditch attempt to save yourself.

Faraday: Why would this Crone talk come from town?

Benmage · Post Post #1892 (ISO) » Sun Jul 03, 2011 12:29 pm

Why would it come from scum?

Lost Butterfly · Post Post #1893 (ISO) » Sun Jul 03, 2011 12:30 pm

Benmage wrote:
Lost Butterfly wrote:
Benmage wrote:Why would I admit to fakeclaiming as scum?

TBF, you did have the largest wagon on you ;>_>. A credit to my townieness.

So fucking lynch me.. it'll be goddamn hilarious. You still havent unvoted...mr awesometown.

Uh, I don't think you're scum and haven't for some time.

Empking · Post Post #1894 (ISO) » Sun Jul 03, 2011 12:32 pm

Benmage wrote:Why would it come from scum?

To communicate to your buddies before you kick the bucket.

Lost Butterfly · Post Post #1895 (ISO) » Sun Jul 03, 2011 12:32 pm

Empking wrote:

Faraday: Why would this Crone talk come from town?

>_> stop ignoring his meta for doing anti town things as town. He's much more conservative as scum in my estimation.

Benmage · Post Post #1896 (ISO) » Sun Jul 03, 2011 12:34 pm

Empking wrote:
Benmage wrote:Why would it come from scum?

To communicate to your buddies before you kick the bucket.

I'm far from kicking the bucket.

Am I cult or scum... you've dodged this awhile.

You ought to claim your results..

How about a massclaim?

Thor665 · Post Post #1897 (ISO) » Sun Jul 03, 2011 12:36 pm

Lost Butterfly wrote:That post didn't contain an unvote. Fix that soon.

If you get quickhammered I will be sure to bemoan how I didn't look town enough in unvoting you sooner

You and Spy have both overlooked Nexus in your Cult/Scum hunt. Thoughts?

@Emp - I'll actually agree that Ben looks town now, there's very little gain in what he did for cult or scum.

Lost Butterfly · Post Post #1898 (ISO) » Sun Jul 03, 2011 12:37 pm

Massclaim with a cult leader around? Um, no thank you. I don't think so anyway. Let me have a little think.

Vezokpiraka should claim in his next post though, agreed?

Empking · Post Post #1899 (ISO) » Sun Jul 03, 2011 12:39 pm

Thor665 wrote:
Lost Butterfly wrote:That post didn't contain an unvote. Fix that soon.

If you get quickhammered I will be sure to bemoan how I didn't look town enough in unvoting you sooner You and Spy have both overlooked Nexus in your Cult/Scum hunt. Thoughts?

@Emp - I'll actually agree that Ben looks town now, there's very little gain in what he did for cult or scum.

But there's a lot to lose if he's town for what he did. Therefore its still a very scumleaning action.

It wouldn't even occur to town to go "Today I'll try and out the Crone". Though most scum ignore that feeling for favour of playing the long game it does occur to scum.