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Post Post #325 (ISO) » Sat Jul 02, 2011 10:46 am

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Crap!

Okay, to make sure I don't do that again, I'm changing the hydra theme to mobile. That way I'll never be able to mistake accounts again. Anyway, as to the case:

Okay, here's a more in-depth case that will hopefully fullfill Zodiark's needs. After producing virtually no content whatsoever on D-1, Zodiark posts this:

Zodiark13 wrote:
Parama wrote:Hrezs, Zodiark, don, xvart, and kondi all need to post more; they all have 5 or less posts, and at least one of those is pregame for each.


-ponders for a moment-

-looks back at the quicklynch the day before-

-leers-


Hrezs wrote:
Parama wrote:
vote: Hrezs

since there's two more scum, and Hrezs is one of them.



Hows this work again? I came back to read the game and the thread was closed.

Also you just called
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people scum, and said
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more scum left?

Sounds like a scumslip.

Vote: Parama


Of note: I havent actually read day 1


Can you say epic reaching?

Vote:Celebloki


Hammering a claimed OSV = bad

Hammering a claimed OSV less than a week since the start of the day = terrible

Hammering a claimed OSV less than a week since the start of the day just because the claimed OSV is a VI = scum

Hammering a claimed OSV less than a week since the start of the day just because the claimed OSV is a VI, and the claimed OSV flips OSV = if your not scum, I need to relearn how to scumhunt.


Relavent part is bolded. Uses very strong language to indicate that he thinks celi is scum. Says that if celi isn't scum that he needs to relearn how to scumhunt. Next post:

Zodiark13 wrote:
bobsnox wrote:Coolskins said something about not wanting to play with newbies. Deselby claimed to be a newbie. Coolskins said I'm looking forward to playing with you. I would quote but it's hard with the phone. Seems to me like Coolskins and deselby had time to get acquainted in scumchat before the game.

Going back over the game, I feel I should point out the slight misrep here.

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Haschel Cedricson wrote:Wait, we've got a hydra in the game? Not too pleased about that.

yes actually. I believe I made it very clear in the queue that this is a hydra. If you are very much apposed to it (after talking to bub) we could easily replace out.

@Beck, okay, I just didn't want to have two complete noobs like we had last game that we played in.


deselby wrote:@coolskins, I am a noob, I have played 1 newbie game. I will try not to damage your sanity too much.


CooLskins said, and I quote, that he "didn't want two complete noobs...", not that he didn't want to play with noobs full stop.


Makes some slightly irrelavent comments and does nothing to further the wagon on a person whom he thinks is certainly scum. Next post:

Zodiark13 wrote:
Celeblokis refusal should make him jump up in scumminess, but for some reason it just gives of a town vibe. And honestly, hammering a VI is hardly a massive scumtell.


Unvote


don_johnson wrote:C'est moi? Xvart is my neighbor btw. So im a wee bit shocked by the accusation.


I don't like this one bit. It reads of "I'm getting a little suspicion, so I'm going to claim to try to get into the 'obvtown' chair".

xvart wrote:It is true. We are neighbors. I've been racking my brain for the life of me about our moderator and his opinions on neighbors since we were in a game together a while back and there were two town neighbors but
Humble didn't say anything definitive about neighbors and alignments other than alignments are unknown
. don did not talk in the neighbor QT at all pre game.


The bolded just makes dons claim worse. He conveniently forgot to mention that he doesn't know his neighbors alignment, which would be an important aspect of a claim, unless you are claiming solely for the sake of trying to make yourself obvtown.

Vote: don_johnson


Total 180. Almost right after he said:

Zodiark13 wrote:Hammering a claimed OSV less than a week since the start of the day
just because the claimed OSV is a VI
= scum

Hammering a claimed OSV less than a week since the start of the day
just because the claimed OSV is a VI
, and the claimed OSV flips OSV = if your not scum, I need to relearn how to scumhunt.


He says:

Zodiark wrote:Celeblokis refusal should make him jump up in scumminess, but for some reason it just gives of a town vibe. And honestly,
hammering a VI is hardly a massive scumtell.


So before it was "If you're not scum; I need to relearn how to scumhunt." but now it's "Oh, it isn't a massive scumtell." Oh, and look who you're voting for:

Zodiark13 wrote:
Vote: don_johnson


Only the number one wagon at the moment. And he mainly sheeps his reasons to boot. But wait:

Zodiark13 wrote:So, I'm being suspected for not liking yesterdays hammer, then, finding the non-defense townish, moving onto my next scum read? Right.

bob has said 'Go look at Zodiark', then since then has harassed everyone for their opinion on me and deselby, without even posting a case, apart from the aforementioned "Look at him" and , against deselby, saying "I don't like how deselby is reacting to my CooLskins vote" and "You've outed yourself as scum lolololol". Yet, despite these "cases", you decided to pointlessly wagon Hrezs when the wagon against him hit full steam. Seriously, your last post is the closest you have come to providing any reason for voting, and its not even a reason.

UNVOTE
Vote: bobsnox


We're now voting for the next major wagon. So after saying in no uncertain terms that celi was scum, Zodiark unvotes him and vote for the biggest wagon. Then
in his very next post
he unvotes
again
and votes for the new biggest wagon. To paraphrase: "If Zodiark isn't scum, then I need to relearn how to scumhunt."

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Post Post #326 (ISO) » Sat Jul 02, 2011 10:58 am

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Post Post #327 (ISO) » Sat Jul 02, 2011 4:58 pm

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CooLskins, 316 wrote:I think it's mainly a consequence of CooLDoG tunneling onto Don for some time, and then me coming in with fresh eyes and seeing that Don being scum just doesn't make sense.

Your combined views on don isn't what concerns me. It's the flip flop on Zodiark at a time when there was a decent amount of pressure.

CooLskins, 321 wrote:
xvart wrote:
bobsnox wrote:Not sure what to think of Bub's post. I like the conclusion but I'm wary of the possibility that Bub was saving the hydra's hide.

I agree with this. I absolutely hate when hydra's contradict themselves in the game. Generally it's not too bad, but something like this, given the context of how it developed is highly suspicious. And sorry about the miscredit :roll:

Is it any worse then what zodiark did by flip flopping? I still have a scum read on Don though. I just can't see don being town at the moment. I will hoewever, trust Bub's judgment.

Comparing scummy behavior with other scummy players? The old "look at my left hand while I steal your wallet with my right hand" trick?

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xvart wrote:Celebloki has a good catch. Given the context of and his voting pattern around this time makes this is a solid case and wagon. I'll keep my vote on Parama until Zodiark has a chance to respond but I don't see anything that could really convince me otherwise.

If that is your intention, then why even wait? I'm at L-3, so theres no concern about scum quickhammering. This is just bad, saying "I find him scummy, but I'm not going to vote for him."

Because I'm not concerned either way. The fact that you didn't even address the point about the contradiction (and your reasoning is terrigut). You voted Celeboki on the basis that hammering a VI OSV was a scumtell (and even went as far to say if the OSV flips OSV then you need to relearn how to scumhunt if the hammerer is town). That's a pretty definitive scumtell. Then, two posts later you said oh hammering a VI isn't a scumtell at all (with the justification that "Celeblokis refusal should make him jump up in scumminess, but for some reason it just gives of a town vibe."). When everything you have said indicates that Celebloki is scum and should be scum based on his responses, but for some reason you get a gut town read and unvote. Looks like the gut town read excuse for not having a good reason.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Celebloki
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Post Post #328 (ISO) » Sat Jul 02, 2011 7:09 pm

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Zodiark13 wrote:bob, by purposely not bringing forth the content of the case, but rather quoting post numbers, you have not only made the case difficult to defend, but you have also created an avenue for your scumbuddies to mindlessly jump onto the wagon, with nothing more than "Okay, I see where you are going with this", which Antihero did. Then he pretended to understand by offering to provide the reasons, then lying in wait until someone else did, then pop up and say "Awwww, they beat me to it", which Antihero did.

Oh, more of the condescending asshole routine? I can play along with that.

1st off, I'm not on your wagon. Factchecking 101 would do you some good. (Waiting for the douchebaggish argument "OMG, you don't have your vote on me, but your calling me scumz!") Also, you honestly don't think I saw what everyone else saw in your two posts? It doesn't take a Sherlock Holmes for it to jump out at you. I think the only person who didn't notice it is Hrezs and he's not even reading the thread.
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Post Post #329 (ISO) » Sat Jul 02, 2011 7:40 pm

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how is Zodiark not dead yet?
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Post Post #330 (ISO) » Sat Jul 02, 2011 9:01 pm

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I don't see zodiark being that careless as scum. I read it as him not having his head in the game and trying to get his feet wet as town.

bob continues to be ridiculously scummy though
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Post Post #331 (ISO) » Sun Jul 03, 2011 1:37 am

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lol no not really. now you're just making excuses for him instead of looking at facts.

What does "trying to get his feet wet" refer to anyway? That usually implies someone is new. But if he's new, then how do you have a meta on him?
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Post Post #332 (ISO) » Sun Jul 03, 2011 6:50 am

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Post Post #333 (ISO) » Sun Jul 03, 2011 7:09 am

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Why not zodiark?
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Post Post #334 (ISO) » Sun Jul 03, 2011 7:45 am

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xvart, 311 wrote:
don_johnson, 254 wrote:when i received my pm i opened it, saw i was neighbors with xvart and then went to click on the link to the qt. as i scrolled over it, i notice it said it was a link to the scum qt. i immediately pm'd the mod to say "hey, am i scum? or if not, do you realize you sent me a link to the wrong qt.(paraphrased)" mod pm'd me back and said, "no, you are town and the qt is not a mistake, i just forgot to change the label." so i clicked on the link and day had already started. i ask if yours had the same mistake and you say no. but i'm not going to pm hunt you as i think its a bad idea, and if you are town it could end up in two mislynches. you seem to be looking at events objectively.

This is just really strange. Are people able to change the title's of QTs? My browser doesn't even show anything except the link when I hover over it.
How would this prove my alignment if I said yes or no?
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Post Post #335 (ISO) » Sun Jul 03, 2011 8:24 am

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Bob: hresz is going out of his way to distance himself from the wagon. I see only two reasons for him to do so. 1 he is scum and knows zod is town. 2 he is scum with zod and is planning on using the "why would I have defended my buddy so obviously?" Defense. Either way I see no town motivation for his actions.

Xvart: I am not going to pm hunt you. Exploring this issue further could lead to rampant speculation and the fallacy that "one of the neighbors must be scum" which, if you are town, will lead to two easy mislynches. I suggest we move forward with traditional scum hunting. If there is anything else in my response that you are unsatisfied with, please let me know.
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Post Post #336 (ISO) » Sun Jul 03, 2011 8:27 am

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* Celebloki and Parama have been prodded.

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Post Post #337 (ISO) » Sun Jul 03, 2011 8:29 am

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Don - I like that.

UNVOTE: Zodiark

VOTE: Hrezs
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Post Post #338 (ISO) » Sun Jul 03, 2011 8:30 am

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MOD: VC please?
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Post Post #339 (ISO) » Sun Jul 03, 2011 9:08 am

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Holy crap if I'd known that not posting could cause a wagon to form on my top scumspect I would've never bothered to build cases :roll:
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Post Post #340 (ISO) » Sun Jul 03, 2011 10:34 am

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Those in danger of being exposed #10:


Hrezs (3)
- Parama, don_johnson, bobsnox,
Zodiark13 (2)
- Celebloki, CooLskins,
Celebloki (2)
- Antihero, xvart,
bobsnox (4)
- deselby, Haschel Cedricson, Hrezs, Zodiark13,

With 11 Alive it takes 6 to lynch.


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Haschel Cedricson: 1/7-3/7
don_johnson: 1/7-3/7
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Post Post #341 (ISO) » Sun Jul 03, 2011 10:39 am

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lol I have two scum on my wagon
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Post Post #342 (ISO) » Sun Jul 03, 2011 11:43 am

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Holy shit. That is too wierd. My eyes. Well if he can deal with it so can I...

I still think don is scum. Period. I will however trust Bub's judgment on this... He has been right before.

@xvart, Its not a flip flop. Its bub's view on zodiark. I personally have a null read on him atm.

I do not like hrez's last post. Specifically the part about, "Bob is still be ridiculously scummy yet I have absolutely no case on him what so ever but I want to post this anyway so I look like I have reads"
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Post Post #343 (ISO) » Sun Jul 03, 2011 11:44 am

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Post Post #344 (ISO) » Sun Jul 03, 2011 12:22 pm

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Mod: V/LA until Tuesday, July 5th. I should be posting again then.
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Post Post #345 (ISO) » Sun Jul 03, 2011 12:31 pm

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I like how cooldog keeps saying "i think don is scum" but has completely failed to address any of dons recent posts.
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Post Post #346 (ISO) » Sun Jul 03, 2011 1:41 pm

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I don't think CoolDog is paying a ton of attention at the moment but his slot is voting appropriately. Zodiark or Hrezs dies today. I will be interested to see which one of them votes for the other after pressure mounts.

These V/LAs suck but I understand it's a holiday weekend. It's just lame because we have great lynch candidates and only half of the people in the game are keeping up it seems.
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Post Post #347 (ISO) » Sun Jul 03, 2011 10:49 pm

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don_johnson wrote:Bob: hresz is going out of his way to distance himself from the wagon. I see only two reasons for him to do so. 1 he is scum and knows zod is town. 2 he is scum with zod and is planning on using the "why would I have defended my buddy so obviously?" Defense. Either way I see no town motivation for his actions.


Or I'm town who thinks he's town?

I know, its a crazy idea to defend town reads, but you should try it sometime.
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Post Post #348 (ISO) » Mon Jul 04, 2011 2:01 am

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don_johnson wrote:ok. recieved info back from mod. will explain in detail after xvart answers one question. mod said i could discuss the issue without quoting and that he would neither confirm nor deny anything.
so depending on the answer, i should be able to confirm xvart as town or scum regardless of todays outcome.


xvart: please look at your role pm carefully and tell me if there is anything "wrong" with it?


reread post incoming.


don, from earlier, can you explain how this question would confirm xvart either way.

Hrezs wrote:
don_johnson wrote:Bob: hresz is going out of his way to distance himself from the wagon. I see only two reasons for him to do so. 1 he is scum and knows zod is town. 2 he is scum with zod and is planning on using the "why would I have defended my buddy so obviously?" Defense. Either way I see no town motivation for his actions.


Or I'm town who thinks he's town?


I know, its a crazy idea to defend town reads, but you should try it sometime.


So you believe zodiark is town? It is one thing to think his contradiction is not voteworthy, but it seems to me a bit of a stretch to label him town at this point. Also, you said earlier:

Hrezs wrote:I don't understand the zodiark wagon. Nothing he's done has struck me as scum.
Not saying I read him as town
, but I don't see the case against him.


Which is it?
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Post Post #349 (ISO) » Mon Jul 04, 2011 3:47 am

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lol scumcaught. Zodiark is a town read because he _____? Hrezs doesn't see the selfcontradiction I guess. Or the blatant lashing out against the first person to suspect him. Or the blatant wagon hopping to be on the biggest one of the moment. etc etc

nope Zodiark is just obvtown and I'm obvscum for even suggesting differently. :roll:

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