New York 134: Planet of Hats (Scum Win!)

[Knight of Cydonia]

Oh, and Thor - yeah, it was a dumb move in retrospect. If only we all had your

glorious powers of hindsight.

You're voting me for active lurking... except you're voting me for tunnelling DK... except I'm not active lurking... and DK was the best choice of lynch D1 because otherwise we'd still all be dealing with his shit...

[Thor665]

Thor giving him a free pass just because he's voting me? Uh... huh. Noted. Do what you want, as long as you're on the wagon I want you to be, regardless of how scummy you are. Uh-huh. Noted that he also did the same with DK D1 when he was Smurfing up the thread and acting scummy as all hell.

I was also right about DK, so...are you accusing Sleepy of being scum or me of being scum happy to get sheepy town? ...wait, you're doing both, right?

Oh, and Thor - yeah, it was a dumb move in retrospect. If only we all had your

glorious powers of hindsight.

You're voting me for active lurking... except you're voting me for tunnelling DK... except I'm not active lurking... and DK was the best choice of lynch D1 because otherwise we'd still all be dealing with his Smurf...

1. I didn't ask you a question based on hindsight. In a Large game it's *immensely common* to have a Vig. All I did was ask you what you expected the pro-town gain to be with you softclaiming Vig? Your answer appears to be "It was stupid in hindsight, but I wanted scum to kill me and it never occured to me there was a Vig" Is that what you're saying?

2. I haven't called you scummy for tunneling DK, and don't even think I said you were tunneling DK - it doesn't sound like something I'd say since I actually consider tunneling null. So...whut?

[Knight of Cydonia]

Thor giving him a free pass just because he's voting me? Uh... huh. Noted. Do what you want, as long as you're on the wagon I want you to be, regardless of how scummy you are. Uh-huh. Noted that he also did the same with DK D1 when he was Smurfing up the thread and acting scummy as all hell.

I was also right about DK, so...are you accusing Sleepy of being scum or me of being scum happy to get sheepy town? ...wait, you're doing both, right?

You were right about DK

in hindsight

. Are you really going to tell me he wasn't scummy as fuck D1? And if it hadn't been for the modkill, as a miller, he'd have flipped scum anyway.

Oh, and Thor - yeah, it was a dumb move in retrospect. If only we all had your

glorious powers of hindsight.

You're voting me for active lurking... except you're voting me for tunnelling DK... except I'm not active lurking... and DK was the best choice of lynch D1 because otherwise we'd still all be dealing with his Smurf...

1. I didn't ask you a question based on hindsight. In a Large game it's *immensely common* to have a Vig. All I did was ask you what you expected the pro-town gain to be with you softclaiming Vig? Your answer appears to be "It was stupid in hindsight, but I wanted scum to kill me and it never occured to me there was a Vig" Is that what you're saying?

Pretty much, yeah. Like I said, dumb move in hindsight.

2. I haven't called you scummy for tunneling DK, and don't even think I said you were tunneling DK - it doesn't sound like something I'd say since I actually consider tunneling null. So...whut?

a) You're right, I'm confusing you with someone else on the tunnelling - poor note organisation on my part, for which I apologise.
b) This does, however, raise the interesting question of just what you

are

voting me for, since so far, what I have you down on me for is active lurking (no longer a concern, I'm sure you can agree) and possibly the fact you think my Vig softclaim was dumb and/or scummy. In fact, let's be honest here, I haven't really seen a brilliant case on me at all, and yet the people voting me (and Celebloki, with his/her [I forget, apologies] "I'll jump on as soon as we've directed our SKVig for the night" thing) are acting as if my lynch is some kind of foregone conclusion.

[Thor665]

You were right about DK

in hindsight

. Are you really going to tell me he wasn't scummy as fuck D1? And if it hadn't been for the modkill, as a miller, he'd have flipped scum anyway.

No, I was right about DK then - I was calling him town prior to his lynch which is what you were calling me out about and...what point are you making here? How does this tie into your accusation at me and/or SleepyKrew?

Pretty much, yeah. Like I said, dumb move in hindsight.

a) You're right, I'm confusing you with someone else on the tunnelling - poor note organisation on my part, for which I apologise.

b) This does, however, raise the interesting question of just what you

are

voting me for, since so far, what I have you down on me for is active lurking (no longer a concern, I'm sure you can agree)

I can? I've had to drag this conversation out of you for a question I asked last week and have spent half of this conversation confused about what you believe in and what you're saying. I...still sorta am, actually.

and possibly the fact you think my Vig softclaim was dumb and/or scummy. In fact, let's be honest here, I haven't really seen a brilliant case on me at all, and yet the people voting me (and Celebloki, with his/her [I forget, apologies] "I'll jump on as soon as we've directed our SKVig for the night" thing) are acting as if my lynch is some kind of foregone conclusion.

Are you saying Celeb is scummy, or your whole wagon is scummy, or what?

My case on you is active lurk, gut, and beard. I'll admit that softclaim of Vig while scum doesn't make much sense, neither does it make much sense as town. It does make sense as a SK or a Vig, and you haven't counterclaimed our claimed Vig yet, though you have been trying to suggest he's the SK, so...

[65536]

The only reason, we as a Hydra aren't voting KoC is because it'd be better to have our Vig/Tame SK kill him over night, though as always we're up for a KoC lynch, we're also up for a SleepyKrew lynch since our vote on jily is more for utility wagon reasons and we like the look of a Krew lynch

VOTE: SleepyKrew

[Wraith]

Votecount 2.3

Knight of Cydonia

(5)

:

Thor665,

PBuG

, Palisade, PBuG, SleepyKrew, jilynne1991

jilynne1991

(2)

:

Parabollocks, DrippingGoofball,

65536

Celebloki

(2)

:

PBuG

, xRECKONERx, chkballin

chkballin

(1)

:

Palisade

, bvoigt

PBuG

(1)

:

SleepyKrew

, Knight of Cydonia,

Palisade

,

Celebloki

,

Taro

SleepyKrew

(1)

:

xRECKONERx

, 65536

Palisade

(1)

:

xRECKONERx

,

SleepyKrew

,

Celebloki

, Taro,

chkballin

,

BeaverWeasel

,

JDGA

JDGA

(0)

:

chkballin

Parabollocks

(0)

:

65536

Noting Voting

(6)

:

Zebronic, PeregrineV, JDGA, BeaverWeasel, sanchocolates, Celebloki

With 19 alive it takes

10

to lynch.

Deadline is

July 13, 2011

JDGA has been prodded. I have also removed sanchocolates' vote from the board.

[SleepyKrew]

The only reason, we as a Hydra aren't voting KoC is because it'd be better to have our Vig/Tame SK kill him over night, though as always we're up for a KoC lynch, we're also up for a SleepyKrew lynch since our vote on jily is more for utility wagon reasons and we like the look of a Krew lynch

VOTE: SleepyKrew

Oh dear, your explicitly detailed and intricate case has caught me and makes me want to simply curl into a ball and cry in a corner.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: SleepyKrew

But back to KoC. I'm scum for wanting to lynch the scummiest people? Did you know that a lynch requires half the town?

[JDGA]

*prodded*
D:
Yeah, sorry guys. I really have no excuse for inactivity other than pure laziness v_v
So assuming that the KoC vig softclaim is post #292... yeah. Softclaiming vig Day 1 really has no excuse other than to draw doc protection away from people who need it more. The active lurking I can also see going on, but I do agree with it not being an issue right now. I'm just worried it'll just come right back the moment attention drops away from him...
Bah. VOTE: Knight of Cydonia.

[SleepyKrew]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: KoC
Now HOW did I forget to do that?

[DrippingGoofball]

She claimed on Day 2, though. What if a power role had targeted her Night 1, and was still alive?

Was she under pressure when she claimed?

[SleepyKrew]

Nope.
She was afraid she'd accidentally killed the Cop.

[65536]

I agree with this. I still have my suspicions of Palisade but believe his NK role. I can easily see that they targetted Krypt last night, he was after her D1. Even if Palisade is a SK though we can still verify his ability by guiding his target tonight and seeing what happens. If he's smart they will let the town guide their kills instead of independently scumhunting. This jily thing is a sticky subject. I still have my suspicions of her from D1 and I was weary to believe that krypt died from targetting her last night. That being said jily did kind of freak out when krypt died and I can believe she is a PGO and freaked when a cop came up dead the next day. I don't see much other reason for her to randomly come out and claim like that. She should have claimed PGO D1. Only way we can safely verify is to lynch her. I'd be down for a retarded SK that wants to kill her though, Go for it if your out there. Or we can verify both Palisade and Jily by having him NK her :p (just kidding).

I am slightly weary of lynching her if the PGO claim is true. If we lynch her then we may very lose another 3 townies on top of the 3 we already have if VIG/SK Palisade hits townie. I don't see much motivation for Jily to fabricate a PGO claim. I can see her being scum and attempting to make herself safe at night but that just invites the town to lynch her. I think for now scumhunting elsewhere and watching her closely would be more beneficial. That being said I can support the KoC wagon if the town decided to stay with it. I don't understand his softclaim vig defense. At this point he is guaranteed to be killed either today by lynch or tonight by Palisade. If we lynch someone else I'm willing to bet he's Palisade's target for the softclaim and I wouldn't be wholly opposed to it. Before I place my vote on him I want to read through a few people in ISO and see if there's anything else glaring.

I agree with this, who are you going to NK Palisade? Or should we put it to some sort of vote?

[SleepyKrew]

Dear fucking lord.
That post is nothing but fluff and a bit of common sense.

[65536]

But back to KoC. I'm scum for wanting to lynch the scummiest people? Did you know that a lynch requires half the town?

No you're scum because I feel you're pushing a bit too hard on the Jily lynch, you're flipflopping on PBuG, obvbuddying any and all of the experienced players and all your posts are annoyingly short and lacking in any content whatsoever.

-m

[SleepyKrew]

And why didn't you explain this when you voted me?
I'm not pushing the jily lynch that hard. Notice how my vote is still on KoC.
I misread something PBuG wrote. Now I'm off him.
If you'd like to meta me, feel free. My posts are almost always short. But I don't see how they lack content, because you sure enough found plenty to "incriminate" me.

[DrippingGoofball]

Nope.
She was afraid she'd accidentally killed the Cop.

Sounds n0Obish to me, actually.

[SleepyKrew]

Yup. That's the point. She's a noob who isn't scumhunting and has a scumvenient claim. I

really

want her gone before LYLO. But that's utility lynching, and KoC is scum lynching. So you should vote KoC

[DrippingGoofball]

We need to kill the SK, guys. Who is he? That's non-negotiable.

[SleepyKrew]

We have a Serial Killer? How do you know this?

[DrippingGoofball]

Yup. That's the point. She's a noob who isn't scumhunting and has a scumvenient claim.

I believe the claim, given the circumstances. Pity she didn't announce it on Day 1.

But we let her live. She's pretty much a confirmed townie at this point. One that can't be NK'd.

[DrippingGoofball]

We have a Serial Killer? How do you know this?

I dunno, someone was ranting about directing the SK's kill...

[SleepyKrew]

How is she confirmed? You were just talking about how her claim was scumvenient. And you're voting her...
PEDIT: Palisade has claimed Vig and claimed to have killed Krypt. You should probably read the thread

[DrippingGoofball]

Yes, it's scumvenient... but only a n0Ob would fail to claim it Day 1, and then CLAIM the cop kill Day 2 and say "oops PGO."

Palisade claimed the Krypt kill, too? WUT

[SleepyKrew]

jily wasn't sure that she killed Krypt. She was just apparently worried it was because of her.

[DrippingGoofball]

And there's a KoC vig softclaim, too?