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Post Post #875 (ISO) » Wed Jul 06, 2011 10:57 am

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Knight of Cydonia
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Thor665,
PBuG
, Palisade, PBuG,
SleepyKrew
, jilynne1991, JDGA, SleepyKrew, DrippingGoofball
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Celebloki
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PBuG
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,
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chkballin
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, bvoigt, Celebloki
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xRECKONERx
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SleepyKrew
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Celebloki
, Taro,
chkballin
,
BeaverWeasel
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JDGA

JDGA
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:
chkballin

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Post Post #876 (ISO) » Wed Jul 06, 2011 12:13 pm

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Guys, Glowball/chkballin is ridiculously obviously 100% scum. Glowball and Tomie argued back and forth about several things. Tomie even had glowball voted until the end of D1 preaching her lynch. I've also decided that at this point PBuG is confirmed town and swag was just a moron. Tomie was pointing out how Glowball started the Swag wagon but never actually voted on it, then proceeded to try and de-rail it. She did this in hopes of being seen as the one that started it if he flipped scum, but if he flipped town he never voted for it. Tomie nailed her on several points.

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Thor665 wrote:Everything you said makes sense except why scum Glowball would react like that to town Swag lynch - what am I missing?


As she claims, she made the start to the accusations against Swag. But the only thing she did, was ask him a question about his vote, without any following up with an attack. So at this point, she comes across as a player who's scumhunting (which is seen as a town-action), but if Swag flips town (which he does in this situation), she won't be looked at as she didn't join the wagon (hiding).
At the same time, she mentions Reck will get some heat on him if Swag flips town. In other words, she'll be 'save' if Swag flips town, while those who did join the bandwagon will get the attention.

Deity is looking really bad now with the latest post. Beaver is also still there.


Tomie Uzumaki wrote:
Thor665 wrote:
Tomie Uzumaki wrote:Glowball~ She choose to leave Swag alone, while he was the one who came closest to her profile of scum misusing policy lynches.

If Glowball is scummy for avoiding Swag like that, but trying to get credit for his lynch...shouldn't you be helping us lynch Swag since the only way your case on Glwball is worth anything is if Swag is scum?


The way I can also see it:
-Glowball wants to be seen as a player who's scumhunting (that's why she pointed out her question against Swag which started the suspicions)
-But afterwards she doesn't do much with it (if Swag flips town, she will get less attention)
-At the same time, she points out that Reck will get the heat on him.

So if she's scum with Swag, her actions protect him, but are also trying to give her brownie points when he flips scum as she started the attacks. But her actions are also possible if she's scum, while Swag is not.


The fact that Tomie ended up dead only means that glowball was the perpetrator.

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glowball wrote:I am not ignoring anyone- the fact that I have questioned certain players more than others, and some not at all mostly has to do with my game play. I don't really take a lot of weight in your vote as is, because I asked you a question and you returned with a vote.


I think Tomie has a point, though...since you were clearly against a policy lynch, what do you think of the fact that Swag jumped on the wagon even though he hasn't played with DK?


Okay, I am the one who asked the question that made Swag admit to the bandwagon vote to begin with- and I do have a problem with that, as far as being convinced that makes someone scum? No, I just don't see them being that obvious- but I am looking into everyone. My process of asking questions, is part of my playstyle- not meta, but just the way I sort out scum and going any further into it will make all my efforts,present or future,NULL. So just know that I have taken all aspects into account.

As far as Tomie and the "point" I see it is a distraction- I called them out for their early vote against DK(2nd actually) and they got upset very OMGUS instead of directly answering my question and explaining that vote.


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Palisade wrote:@glowball & sanchocolates:
Swag136 wrote:I'll be honest, I've never played with DK, but people don't seem to like him too much. I jumped on a bandwagon. If it really bothers you I'll unvote.

What part of our reaction to this, coupled with the suspicion we'd already expressed, was not clear? My partner, in particular, insists this is tantamount to an outright scum claim. I'm more willing to see newbishness in it, but definitely think it warrants our vote for now.

Reck and Thor also voted for Swag following the above quote...why no questioning of them?

-RedHead

My question is why the vote JUST came- you posted several times since then so why the delay in voting?


Right now, I am seeing jily as scum over Swag. Why would any scum outwardly say that they joined a bandwagon? Newbtell and I agree that it leaves Swag NULL. Now jily claiming a vote for pressure is just ridiculous, as well as the fact that she called DK out for not scumhunting when the game just started and he's posted more than her.


Here Glowball is trying to distance from swag as his bandwagon is coming close to lynch. She knew he'd flip town and wanted to make sure she was as far away from the blame as possible.

glowball wrote:K... first off what part of V/LA doesn't anyone understand????


@Thor...how is it that you would suddenly like to quick lynch me just because you won't get an answer out of swag/replacement. Considering that logic, you'd lynch any player over an inactive player just to get a quick lynch.

as far as follow up questioning for Swag goes I play the way I see fit and I am not here to make you like me, I am here to win and you can choose to respect that or you can complain. I will say that anyone with a brain could go to the profile and see that Swag hasn't been on in days so why waste the energy?! If I saw Swag lurking- I choose to put more pressure on, but those questions weren't going to get anywhere.

I will say that my fault was not placing a vote, but that was mostly due to the fact that I hadn't heard a strong argument in either direction.

DK was just a policy lynch
Swag joined a bandwagon and then people wanted to lynch over that, and I just don't see scum coming out and saying something like that more newb than anything
Since then the only people catching my eye are
Thor, Reck, KoC and Tomie
. The first two just aggressive seemingly pushing for any sort of lynch, one coasting by and Tomie more evasive and deflective than anything.

Tbh, I've had a rough few days so I am not going to bother going back and quoting every thing people said, I do wish that from now on if someone goes V/LA we should acknowledge that and save the questioning- I mean you are at a computer type it down on notepad and save that shit.

RE ASK YOUR QUESTIONS and they will be answered from the hydra account as this is my last post as just Glowball.


Here in the bolded she is attacking the most town amongst us (except perhaps for KoC). She's going after the ones that are gunning for her. Interesting enough when chk takes over he almost exclusively guns for PBuG, calling him scummeriest in his post. Complete 180 from Glowball defending him for just being a newb. He sees glowballs mistake of obvious distancing and decided to cut into PBuG to make up for it. CHKs desperately trying to cover Glowball's tells. chkballin is easily the scummiest person here and needs to be lynched.
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Post Post #877 (ISO) » Wed Jul 06, 2011 12:26 pm

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Post Post #878 (ISO) » Wed Jul 06, 2011 1:16 pm

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Post Post #879 (ISO) » Wed Jul 06, 2011 2:06 pm

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Unvote; Vote: chkballin
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Post Post #880 (ISO) » Wed Jul 06, 2011 2:46 pm

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Celebloki wrote:Guys, Glowball/chkballin is ridiculously obviously 100% scum. Glowball and Tomie argued back and forth about several things. Tomie even had glowball voted until the end of D1 preaching her lynch. I've also decided that at this point PBuG is confirmed town and swag was just a moron. Tomie was pointing out how Glowball started the Swag wagon but never actually voted on it, then proceeded to try and de-rail it. She did this in hopes of being seen as the one that started it if he flipped scum, but if he flipped town he never voted for it. Tomie nailed her on several points.

[snip]

The fact that Tomie ended up dead only means that glowball was the perpetrator.

Do you always stick to this uber-fail logic? You do realize that that very well could've been scum's point, right? Put pressure on somebody else so people won't lynch the real scum D2. A play like that would lead me to believe that one of the bigger D1 wagons was on someone who's actually scum and they wanted somebody to point this little factoid out; or did that never cross your mind? You've seemed more than tunneled on this slot... and that's your big reason? Terrible night kill logic? No.

Another point against your failed logic would be when I actually
voted
PBuG after speaking with Glow on just that. She never intended to get anything from that, she just didn't think that the slot was scum from the three posts that the person prior to PBuG had written made them out to be scum. But I've said all of this before, so you're either repeating yourself or you're sheeping someone just as illogical.

Celebloki wrote:
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glowball wrote:I am not ignoring anyone- the fact that I have questioned certain players more than others, and some not at all mostly has to do with my game play. I don't really take a lot of weight in your vote as is, because I asked you a question and you returned with a vote.


I think Tomie has a point, though...since you were clearly against a policy lynch, what do you think of the fact that Swag jumped on the wagon even though he hasn't played with DK?


Okay, I am the one who asked the question that made Swag admit to the bandwagon vote to begin with- and I do have a problem with that, as far as being convinced that makes someone scum? No, I just don't see them being that obvious- but I am looking into everyone. My process of asking questions, is part of my playstyle- not meta, but just the way I sort out scum and going any further into it will make all my efforts,present or future,NULL. So just know that I have taken all aspects into account.

As far as Tomie and the "point" I see it is a distraction- I called them out for their early vote against DK(2nd actually) and they got upset very OMGUS instead of directly answering my question and explaining that vote.


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Palisade wrote:@glowball & sanchocolates:
Swag136 wrote:I'll be honest, I've never played with DK, but people don't seem to like him too much. I jumped on a bandwagon. If it really bothers you I'll unvote.

What part of our reaction to this, coupled with the suspicion we'd already expressed, was not clear? My partner, in particular, insists this is tantamount to an outright scum claim. I'm more willing to see newbishness in it, but definitely think it warrants our vote for now.

Reck and Thor also voted for Swag following the above quote...why no questioning of them?

-RedHead

My question is why the vote JUST came- you posted several times since then so why the delay in voting?


Right now, I am seeing jily as scum over Swag. Why would any scum outwardly say that they joined a bandwagon? Newbtell and I agree that it leaves Swag NULL. Now jily claiming a vote for pressure is just ridiculous, as well as the fact that she called DK out for not scumhunting when the game just started and he's posted more than her.


Here Glowball is trying to distance from swag as his bandwagon is coming close to lynch. She knew he'd flip town and wanted to make sure she was as far away from the blame as possible.

Actually, that's where Glowball talks to Palisade about their vote (whilst Pal goes mentioning other votes dissimilar) and Glowball talking to bvoigt about an OMGUS vote from Tomie (as opposed to just answering Glow's question).

This is, by far, the
worst
straw manning I've ever seen. Good job, bro.

Celebloki wrote:
glowball wrote:K... first off what part of V/LA doesn't anyone understand????


@Thor...how is it that you would suddenly like to quick lynch me just because you won't get an answer out of swag/replacement. Considering that logic, you'd lynch any player over an inactive player just to get a quick lynch.

as far as follow up questioning for Swag goes I play the way I see fit and I am not here to make you like me, I am here to win and you can choose to respect that or you can complain. I will say that anyone with a brain could go to the profile and see that Swag hasn't been on in days so why waste the energy?! If I saw Swag lurking- I choose to put more pressure on, but those questions weren't going to get anywhere.

I will say that my fault was not placing a vote, but that was mostly due to the fact that I hadn't heard a strong argument in either direction.

DK was just a policy lynch
Swag joined a bandwagon and then people wanted to lynch over that, and I just don't see scum coming out and saying something like that more newb than anything
Since then the only people catching my eye are
Thor, Reck, KoC and Tomie
. The first two just aggressive seemingly pushing for any sort of lynch, one coasting by and Tomie more evasive and deflective than anything.

Tbh, I've had a rough few days so I am not going to bother going back and quoting every thing people said, I do wish that from now on if someone goes V/LA we should acknowledge that and save the questioning- I mean you are at a computer type it down on notepad and save that shit.

RE ASK YOUR QUESTIONS and they will be answered from the hydra account as this is my last post as just Glowball.


Here in the bolded she is attacking the most town amongst us (except perhaps for KoC). She's going after the ones that are gunning for her. Interesting enough when chk takes over he almost exclusively guns for PBuG, calling him scummeriest in his post. Complete 180 from Glowball defending him for just being a newb. He sees glowballs mistake of obvious distancing and decided to cut into PBuG to make up for it. CHKs desperately trying to cover Glowball's tells. chkballin is easily the scummiest person here and needs to be lynched.

I don't recall Reck or even KoC batting much of an eye at this slot save one "OH MY GOD YOU SUCK" from Reck and a side comment from KoC, so again here you are straw manning for a case against me.

Do you have anything of actual merit against me, or are we going to keep doing this?
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Post Post #881 (ISO) » Wed Jul 06, 2011 4:14 pm

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Wow, that's an abysmal defense you've got there.
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Post Post #882 (ISO) » Wed Jul 06, 2011 4:24 pm

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PBuG I seem to recall you claiming already, was that this game or am I just crazy?
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Post Post #883 (ISO) » Wed Jul 06, 2011 4:48 pm

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xRECKONERx wrote:PBuG I seem to recall you claiming already, was that this game or am I just crazy?

You're just crazy.
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Post Post #884 (ISO) » Wed Jul 06, 2011 4:58 pm

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k cool

Vote: PBuG


A chkballin vote with no reasoning behind it at this stage in the game = scumclaim
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Post Post #885 (ISO) » Wed Jul 06, 2011 5:04 pm

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PBuG wrote:Wow, that's an abysmal defense you've got there.

Why, because they straw manned and I pointed it out? Oh, okay.
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Post Post #886 (ISO) » Wed Jul 06, 2011 5:38 pm

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xRECKONERx wrote:k cool

Vote: PBuG


A chkballin vote with no reasoning behind it at this stage in the game = scumclaim


*quirks eyebrow* I've noted suspicion of chkballin before here, here, and here. I also agree heavily with Celebloki's arguments here and here.

chk, I don't agree with you that Celebloki was straw manning. In fact, the second thing that you claim was straw manning, your comment was completely irrelevant to what he said.
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Post Post #887 (ISO) » Wed Jul 06, 2011 5:59 pm

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UNVOTE: SK
VOTE: Parabollocks
While the mason claim could be fake it'd be a stupid risk for a scumteam to take.
Parabollocks and KoC need to die, but I agree with my other head that Palisade should shoot KoC.
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Post Post #888 (ISO) » Wed Jul 06, 2011 6:22 pm

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The way I see it we possibly have two mason groups, anyone want to contradict me?
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Post Post #889 (ISO) » Wed Jul 06, 2011 9:45 pm

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PeregrineV wrote:@65536- Which post of PBug's convinced you that he was town?


We haven't really been convinced, we just think those people pushing for a PBuG lynch are more scummy, purely because the main reasoning behind it is "swag -> newb, PBuG -> easy lynch"

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Post Post #890 (ISO) » Wed Jul 06, 2011 11:04 pm

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Dear God Celebloki. Have you ever heard of WIFOM? And don't just go throwing the word "confirmed" around.

Also, sorry if this ruins some supersecret scumhunting plan, but I have no clue why DGB claimed Masonbuddies with me. Because we aren't. Care to enlighten us why you did that?
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Post Post #891 (ISO) » Thu Jul 07, 2011 12:05 am

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SleepyKrew wrote:Because we aren't. Care to enlighten us why you did that?


I lurv me a fake mason claim. Fake mason claims are like bubbles, so pretty, so light, so iridescent... and they always burst too quickly.
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Post Post #892 (ISO) » Thu Jul 07, 2011 12:11 am

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Post Post #893 (ISO) » Thu Jul 07, 2011 2:04 am

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V/LA, mortality in the family...
Did you do something to the princess?
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Post Post #894 (ISO) » Thu Jul 07, 2011 3:37 am

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So PBuG is agreeing with Celeboki's votes on chkballin, but I think Celeboki is scum. Wat.

Also, Sleepy, I think it's pretty obvious what DGB was doing, but I'm going to leave that one alone for now.

Sorry to hear that, Taro. Hope everyone is alright.

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Post Post #895 (ISO) » Thu Jul 07, 2011 3:47 am

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Even with BeaverWeasel's softclaim?
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Post Post #896 (ISO) » Thu Jul 07, 2011 3:49 am

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The only way I'm unvoting is if he's going to come right out and tell me "Oh yeah, he's town because ___________". I'm not letting some kind of softclaim bullshit WIFOM go through here.
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Post Post #897 (ISO) » Thu Jul 07, 2011 4:43 am

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Celebloki wrote:Guys, Glowball/chkballin is ridiculously obviously 100% scum. Glowball and Tomie argued back and forth about several things. Tomie even had glowball voted until the end of D1 preaching her lynch. I've also decided that at this point PBuG is confirmed town and swag was just a moron. Tomie was pointing out how Glowball started the Swag wagon but never actually voted on it, then proceeded to try and de-rail it.
She did this in hopes of being seen as the one that started it if he flipped scum, but if he flipped town he never voted for it.
Tomie nailed her on several points.


The bolded doesn't make sense to me. If glowball's scum, wouldn't she know how Swag would flip?

However, I agree that chk's defense was pretty lousy. If anyone's strawmanning on that last point, it's chk.
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Post Post #898 (ISO) » Thu Jul 07, 2011 5:14 am

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Well I'm just going to come out and say it. I am not a mason with anybody and honestly don't know what Beaverweasel or PBuG are talking about. Unless I was investigated or watched or something I don't know how I got confirmed town. Seriously, neither of the reads are that long, read through Glowball/Chkballin and Tomie in ISO. It becomes pretty clear why Tomie ended up dead. My vote is staying on Glowball and unless someone else can give me quoted examples of why parabollocks is scum my vote is staying on the sure thing.
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Post Post #899 (ISO) » Thu Jul 07, 2011 5:23 am

Post by bvoigt »

Celebloki, can you explain the quote above?

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