Mini 1202 Smalltown Mafia (Game Over!)

[pappums rat]

Juls, was your vote on Phoebus serious or not?

Sure. Why wouldn't it be?

It sounded like an RVS vote to me.

Is another defense of Panacea, claiming that he meta'ed Panacea and said that using smilies is a town-tell. I forget exactly what it is called, but using excessive smilies can be a tactic used by scum to soften up townie's impressions of scum. So at this point Budja is also on my scumdar, probably surpassing VP due to the fact that VP's questions have a little more pro-town potential than Budja's crappy meta/smily defense.

Also, I second the request for Panacea's meta that supports her using more smilies as town.

What makes this defense worse is that I post smilies equally in frequency when I'm having fun, regardless of alignment. It's not a tactic or a play style; it's more of a personality thing. That being said, either he did meta me and is lying about what he found, or he didn't meta me and is lying about actually meta'ing me at all. To support this(

win

,

loss

):
Newbie 922

Vanilla, killed N2.

Newbie 890

Vanilla, killed N1.

Newbie 879

Mafia Roleblocker, Survived.

Newbie 868

Mafia Roleblocker, lynched D4.

Newbie 863

Vanilla, lynched D3.

I asked

Budja

for his meta on you. He was the one defending you using meta, and I asked

him

to support his argument. This is one of my serious peeves, when people answer questions targeted at other people. Please do not do this again.

That said, Budja has claimed it was your attitude rather than the smilies themselves that lead to that town read, so meh. I still dont like his jump on the Phoebus wagon because it was the competing wagon with Panacea's and I dont think meta can stand on it's own when you are trying to determine someone's alignment. He gave zero reasoning behind voting Phoebus and unvoted right as pressure was placed on him.

[Panacea]

Damn, this game is obnoxious. I wasn't answering you. I was responding to his conclusion. ON ME. I was building on my own thought, that his meta was inaccurate, whether conscious or not, and supporting that thought. Furthermore, I linked you to every game, not the specific one(s) for which you asked. Chill.

[Beck]

I know this is a dumb question but I just skimmed Pan's iso in each of those games she linked, she used smilies in each game, even when she was mafia, so my dumb question is to Budja

did you actually count how many times she used a smiley as town as she did as scum?

if so what were the numbers?

if not, than how can you say she used them more as town than as scum?

it may be dumb, but this is a serious question.

[Budja]

Ugh => http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/search.p ... r_id=12405
Skim pages and look for smilies. Not based on a specific game, not based on a specific alignment, not wasting any more time talking about this.

@pappum, RVS wagon sheeping vote which isn't worth keeping when the target is not acting scummy.

Preview Edit: Yep, you are reading way too much into my initial comment. I was not using smilies as an alignment check. They are so very much a null tell. I was checking to see if the smiley usage was a sign of nervousness or a playstyle thing. Panacea's alignment in her other games in entirely irrelevent.

[Budja]

I was not using smilies as an alignment check. They are so very much a null tell.

Bad wording!
I mean

because they are a playstyle thing

they are a null tell. Imagine that part was at the end of my post and then it makes sense.

[Beck]

I guess I misunderstood you.

[VP Baltar]

pappums rat - you would say the main case you are making against Panacea is that she is not contributing content to the thread even though she's posting, right?

Phoebus, same question.

[Beck]

What happened to hiplop, he goes from accusing charter of OMGUS, than posts 2 fluff posts, than nothing?

[Zachrulez]

4th Vote Count of Day 1:

Panacea - 2 (Phoebus, pappums rat)
Hiplop - 2 (Beck, charter)
Charter - 2 (Hiplop, Juls)
pammums rat - 1 (VP Baltar)

Not voting (Panacea, Budja)

With 9 alive it's 5 to lynch.

Day One will end no later than Monday July 25th at 6:30PM CST

[hiplop]

What happened to hiplop, he goes from accusing charter of OMGUS, than posts 2 fluff posts, than nothing?

some people have a social life. I went to bed then went out... relax son

[Beck]

I'm married, i have no social life

[charter]

Beck, are you scum?

So you're going to keep pretending your vote on me has reason?

I think it would be nice if those voting Panacea would switch to Hiplop. Panacea's actions have been totally useless, but Hiplop has been scummy with how he's trying to bolster his vote and keep changing the reasoning behind it. Also, Hiplop has done his fair share of nothing as well.

[Juls]

Is my vote troublesome for you charter?

[charter]

No, no one is going to follow you, because you have no reason. What you're doing is parking your vote on me for no reason, and avoiding participating.

[Beck]

Hiplop, can you explain what exactly your issue with charter calling somebody out for posting fluff?

Do you feel people who post useless filler are usually town, scum, or null?

[hiplop]

Hiplop, can you explain what exactly your issue with charter calling somebody out for posting fluff?

Do you feel people who post useless filler are usually town, scum, or null?

Null for the most part.

[Beck]

Why answer half my post but not all?

[hiplop]

I've already explained it!

[Juls]

Hiplop, can you explain what exactly your issue with charter calling somebody out for posting fluff?

Do you feel people who post useless filler are usually town, scum, or null?

Wow. That question trumps everything I have seen so far. That's...just....wow. Tell me how this is scum hunting and not just asking a softball question? What do you think you will learn here?

vote: beck

I will pick up activity over the weekend. My head is a little foggy this week.

[charter]

Well, I am getting more than a whiff of Hiplop being the scum powerrole and Juls being the not as cool scum role. It's kind of like a smack in the face with a 2x4.

[pappums rat]

pappums rat - you would say the main case you are making against Panacea is that she is not contributing content to the thread even though she's posting, right?

I have already made my case against Panacea, you should read through my posts again. But no, that is not the main case I have been making, though it did influence my vote.


Beck's question was a little weak, but I dont see any real scum motivation behind it.

[Budja]

vote: Juls

My gut is quite close to Charter's.
Namely, bad uncorrected vote, odd questioning of Beck + the switch after pressure.

[Beck]

Hiplop, can you explain what exactly your issue with charter calling somebody out for posting fluff?

Do you feel people who post useless filler are usually town, scum, or null?

Wow. That question trumps everything I have seen so far. That's...just....wow. Tell me how this is scum hunting and not just asking a softball question? What do you think you will learn here?

vote: beck

I will pick up activity over the weekend. My head is a little foggy this week.

he has an issue with charter attacking somebody for fluff posting, but that is because he is posting fluff.

It was not a softball question, if it was than why did he completely IGNORE the part I asked him about charter?

@ hiplop - you did not explain what your issue is with charter's attacking somebody for posting fluff.

just because YOU think posting fluff is null (of course you will say that since you yourself are posting fluff) it doesn't mean that others feel that way. I personally think posting fluff is an attempt to avoid scum hunting, clearly my opinion is different than yours, but it's one of the reasons why I am voting you. Posting fluff =/= scum hunting and therefor hot helping town. That is why I was fine with charter's vote and reason for his vote on Pan, it seemed like he was trying to force her to participate.

[VP Baltar]

pappums rat - you would say the main case you are making against Panacea is that she is not contributing content to the thread even though she's posting, right?

I have already made my case against Panacea, you should read through my posts again. But no, that is not the main case I have been making, though it did influence my vote.

Don't give me this 'read my posts' cop-out bullshit. I've read your posts plenty of times. You never actually make a case. The points you make are:

1) Panacea is posting fluff and not contributing (taken from Phoebus)
2) Panacea posted the letters VT, which were actually a typo from VP, but you still believe she was trying to use subliminal messaging or something to fool you into thinking she's a VT
3) Everything else you say about Panacea is saying people like myself and Budja must be her buddies (lol, I don't need no flips) because we don't buy your case.

This is not a case. Furthermore, if #1 is not the main crux of your argument, then please enlighten me as to what is? Am I seriously missing something after looking at your iso no less than five times to give you the benefit of the doubt? Explain this, because all I see is you trying to trump up a case that isn't there so you don't have to scumhunt for real. Hell, it's taken you 15 posts to finally say something that isn't connected to Panacea. I think that speaks volumes.

Happy with my vote.

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I'm not sure how I feel about the Juls-charter situation. On the one hand, Juls does seem like she doesn't really have her footing yet. On the other hand, I haven't cared for Beck's contributions to this game much other than one point he made about hiplop awhile back.

In either case, I think people should be lynching pappums for exaggerating his scumhunting.

[Beck]

Hiplop, can you explain what exactly your issue with charter calling somebody out for posting fluff?

Do you feel people who post useless filler are usually town, scum, or null?

Wow. That question trumps everything I have seen so far. That's...just....wow. Tell me how this is scum hunting and not just asking a softball question? What do you think you will learn here?

vote: beck

I will pick up activity over the weekend. My head is a little foggy this week.

Btw, reading your iso, you aren't even attempting to scumhunt at all. You RVS vote VP, than sheep him and declare him town, than you buddy him some by +1 him, Than when charter calls VP somebody's scum buddy you vote charter, followed by 4 useless posts, your own soft ball question, than you call me out for my question (which hiplop ignored the first part if, a question that gets half answered =/= a softball question, it's more he can't think of a good lie right now)

Seriously you need to be less obvious when buddying VP

Im inclined to beleive that you may be correct about VP being town, cause I'm getting the feeling you could be scum.

So hiplop/juls scum team? Sounds good to me.